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htownskinfan 01-16-2006 02:19 PM

New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
I think just about everybody on this site was not happy with our kicking game,I dont see Hall or Frost listed as free agents so i assume they are under contract and we would take a salary cap hit if we cut them,am I right on this? so ,can we even afford to go after new kickers?
this is a list of the free agent placekickers
Aaron Elling RFA Ravens
Adam Vinatieri UFA Patriots
Joe Nedney UFA 49ers
Jose Cortez UFA Eagles
Josh Brown RFA Seahawks
Matt Bryant UFA Buccaneers
Mike Vanderjagt UFA Colts
Paul Edinger UFA Vikings
Ryan Longwell UFA Packers
Todd Peterson UFA Falcons

I would love to have Vanderjet or Vinatieri,but they are probably out of our price range,Josh Brown would be excellent also

dgack 01-16-2006 02:22 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
You must be kidding about Brown. After the smack that clown talked, I'd cheer for him to get crushed on every FG try if he ever had the sack to sign in DC.

Vinatieri and Vanderchoke are probably too expensive. Longwell wouldn't be bad. He's getting pretty old though, isn't he?

hurrykaine 01-16-2006 02:27 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
I think we ought to cut Tupa and keep Frost. Frost was one of the main reasons the Seahawks didn't blow us up in the 1st quarter. He hung his punts up there from way back in our territory allowing Jimoh and others to make good plays on special teams. I know this was just one game, but it was a playoff game, in bad weather, on the road, and he did well. That tells me something. Not to mention, he can kick off too, if needed. Tupa is old and overpaid.

If we can pry Novak from under Arizona's hands, I'd be heavily in favor of locking him up and releasing Hall.

dgack 01-16-2006 02:31 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
[QUOTE=hurrykaine]If we can pry Novak from under Arizona's hands, I'd be heavily in favor of locking him up and releasing Hall.[/QUOTE]


We should have kept Nick the Kick when we had the chance, and cut Hall. Theoretically, Arizona won't need him once Rackers is backers.

mooby 01-16-2006 03:23 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
Rackers is back. I think we need a new kicker, but not a new punter. I don't understand the hate on Tupa. Hurrykaine, why you want Frost over Tupa is beyond me. One good game and you think he should be here next year? Didn't you see how many bad games he had during the season. Last year, when Tupa was around, he was booming punts, and giving us great field position. He probably still has a few good years left in him. As for John Hall, ever since he got injured he hasn't been the same. It's time to cut him, imo. He can't even kick 50 yarders anymore. When was the last time he got a touchback on a kickoff? Pick up Novak.

Pocket$ $traight 01-16-2006 03:49 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
They have to get rid of Hall. He was mediocre when they signed him and he cost them the season. He can't even get the ball inside the 10????


Where was Novak when we needed him??

They need to hold onto Tupa if possible. Frost is o.k. but these two positions have been liabilities for years.

saden1 01-16-2006 03:50 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
Jose Cortez? Cortez!!!????

I wouldn't pay that fool 10 cents a year to kick for my team.

LadyT 01-16-2006 04:50 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
Both Frost and Hall need to go. Their mistakes are just too costly, game in and game out. Kickoffs that are a joke. Many punts that are also a joke. Yes, Frost did very well against Seattle, but that was the exception, not the rule, for him this entire season. You never know which Frost will show up and a team needs a punter that is consistent and dependable. Frost is neither.

Hall has never been the same since his many injuries. His kickoffs are atrocious and give the opponent an unnecessary advantage in every game.

I don't care what it costs, we need two new kickers.

hurrykaine 01-16-2006 05:06 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
[QUOTE=mooby]Rackers is back. I think we need a new kicker, but not a new punter. I don't understand the hate on Tupa. Hurrykaine, why you want Frost over Tupa is beyond me. One good game and you think he should be here next year? Didn't you see how many bad games he had during the season. Last year, when Tupa was around, he was booming punts, and giving us great field position. He probably still has a few good years left in him. As for John Hall, ever since he got injured he hasn't been the same. It's time to cut him, imo. He can't even kick 50 yarders anymore. When was the last time he got a touchback on a kickoff? Pick up Novak.[/QUOTE]

I'm not hating on Tupa. But you have to admit the guy is overpaid. 1 million for a punter when we're trying to trim down our cap numbers? C'mon.

I agree Frost has been pi$$ poor in some games, and has shanked them at critical times. However, he will get better with experience. What he did in the 1st quarter of the Seattle game..again - 5-6 punts one after the other, backed up in our own end zone, in bad weather, on the road, and in the playoffs - that was remarkable. Those are the toughest punts to make. Are you that confident this guy won't get better?

Perhaps we can do better than both Tupa and Frost - I don't know.

saskin 01-16-2006 05:16 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter,can We Afford Them?
 
I think Frost is getting better, I think we should keep him. Hall just isn't what he used to be, maybe try and get Novak back.....

RedskinPete 01-16-2006 05:27 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
[QUOTE=htownskinfan]I think just about everybody on this site was not happy with our kicking game,I dont see Hall or Frost listed as free agents so i assume they are under contract and we would take a salary cap hit if we cut them,am I right on this? so ,can we even afford to go after new kickers?
this is a list of the free agent placekickers
Aaron Elling RFA Ravens
Adam Vinatieri UFA Patriots
Joe Nedney UFA 49ers
Jose Cortez UFA Eagles
Josh Brown RFA Seahawks
Matt Bryant UFA Buccaneers
Mike Vanderjagt UFA Colts
Paul Edinger UFA Vikings
Ryan Longwell UFA Packers
Todd Peterson UFA Falcons

I would love to have Vanderjet or Vinatieri,but they are probably out of our price range,Josh Brown would be excellent also[/QUOTE]

Nedney had a great year for SF and the cost might be right!!!

SkinsLB5607 01-16-2006 05:28 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
"I would love to have Vanderjet or Vinatieri,but they are probably out of our price range,Josh Brown would be excellent also."

Josh Brown equals DOUCHEBAG After what he said b4 the divisional game = I'll Pass

Vanderjagt is worth 1 mil after his shank but it looks good on Manning.... that arrogant ASSHOLE "I'll Be a Good Teammate" and now Bradshaw called him out.
He is Canadian so I'd go for him and he is affordable

Vinatieri isn't as cheap but is more accurate and trusting in the clutch but I think the Pats will do a lot to resign him but if they don't then go 4 it but I think we either keep Hall or get Vanderjagt.

LongTimeSkinsFan 01-16-2006 06:24 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
FWIW, I say track down Novak and sign him up. If we do need a new punter (assuming we're going to hate on Tupa and not give him a chance), draft one.
Brown is a trash talker that chokes. The only way I'd sign him would be for one game and one kick, just so the entire O-Line could lie down after the snap and let his pansy a$$ get wailed on by the other team. From what I heard Vanderjagt is a bit of a head case, and had some kind of run in with Manning. Vinatieri would be a great candidate with a clutch rep, but I'm guessing he'll be asking a lot. I wouldn't be opposed to Edinger either. I remember him having strong leg. I'd rather spend the big bucks on a quality #2 wideout especially since there's a good crop of them available in FA this year.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 01-16-2006 06:50 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
In response to the thread's original question, I seriously doubt we'd have any trouble squeezing a punter and kicker's salary under the cap. Tupa and Hall are getting great money right now for their respective positions and no kickers or punters command huge salaries.

skindogger47 01-16-2006 07:35 PM

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 
Novac is a pussy. Keep Tupa, cut Hall, and sign Nedney or Longwell. Tupa was HUGE to our special teams two years ago.


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