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onlydarksets 01-17-2006 05:16 AM

NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
So, why do the Steelers get an apology for a call that had no [b]actual[/b] impact on the outcome of the game, yet we didn't get one for a call that [b]did[/b] unquestionably impact the outcome of the game?
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call[/url]

I appreciate it's a playoff game and much higher visibility, but is that it?

I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?

Redskins8588 01-17-2006 05:32 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?[/QUOTE]
You are right we made the playoffs but if we beat Tampa the first time and still won out like we did we would have ben the #2 seed giving us a bye week, a home game, and only 1 game on the road to get to the Super Bowl. I like playing with those odds much better, dont you?

onlydarksets 01-17-2006 07:55 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
I was trying to avoid dismissive comments and posts that didn't address the question ;)

FRPLG 01-17-2006 08:37 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
I think the visbility of the game means a lot and I really do think the Skins get no love from the league. Plus as clear as the TB play is to us and lots of other people I think we are all making pretty valid deductions about Alstott breaking the plane of the goal line. I don't think even valid deductions are enough to get the NFL to admit a mistake. They need like clear enough evidence that Helen keller couuld see to admit it.

onlydarksets 01-17-2006 08:50 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
While I prefer your "conspiracy theory" angle, I think your comments about the level of proof make sense. I don't want to [b]completely[/b] rehash the TB game, but, of course, even Gruden wouldn't say "Alstott was obviously in". Oh well, onwards and upwards!

irish 01-17-2006 08:52 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
That call had a huge impact on the game. Had the int stood, the steelers would have had the ball and all the mayhem that followed would not have happened. It completely gave the colts new life when it looked like they were done.

onlydarksets 01-17-2006 09:15 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=irish]That call had a huge impact on the game. Had the int stood, the steelers would have had the ball and all the mayhem that followed would not have happened. It completely gave the colts new life when it looked like they were done.[/QUOTE]

As I stated above, it had zero impact on the [b]outcome[/b] of the game.

D'BOYZ 01-17-2006 09:32 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
Guys every team gets a call (or doesn't) that changes the course of the game and season in the game on Thanksgiven Dallas vs Denver that went to OT the run that Ron Dayne took 85 on third down that won the game should have been made because of a clear ( way way clear) Hold on Ferguson he was in front of Dayne and was pulled out of the played.

If that play would never happen we would had had a 10-6 record before the last week and a spot on the playoffs not to mention a chance to win the division.

Just to name 1 that's why every Coach will tell you. "You don't leave the game to the officials you take it home" if you give them a chance somethimes you will get a call on your favor, somethimes against.

If you weren't behind the hole game you wouldn't be looking at that play but you did so anything can happen.

onlydarksets 01-17-2006 09:35 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Guys every team gets a call (or doesn't) that changes the course of the game and season in the game on Thanksgiven Dallas vs Denver that went to OT the run that Ron Dayne took 85 on third down that won the game should have been made because of a clear ( way way clear) Hold on Ferguson he was in front of Dayne and was pulled out of the played.

If that play would never happen we would had had a 10-6 record before the last week and a spot on the playoffs not to mention a chance to win the division.

Just to name 1 that's why every Coach will tell you. "You don't leave the game to the officials you take it home" if you give them a chance somethimes you will get a call on your favor, somethimes against.

If you weren't behind the hole game you wouldn't be looking at that play but you did so anything can happen.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right - I am not trying to discuss the call and what it meant to our season, though. My question was about the NFL and how/when they admit mistakes.

D'BOYZ 01-17-2006 10:09 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
they usually admit wen the presure of the whole media is in their face and it usually in the playoff throughout the season every coach and team send questinable calls of the game and it send to the NFL to review and they send a response or appology is 1 is needed but this don't reach the public.

It's an indoor rule you can't publicly addmit as a legue to 20 mistakes each week it will reflect like something is wrong. So it only gets in the open when there's a lot of presure from the media.

remmeber early on the year when Sherman made a statment that the league had appologized for a bad call and it became a huge fuzz because he made it public then the NFL denyed it and he came 2 appologize. The NFL might had call and say there was a mistke but the fact tha the made it public its what made the NFL react.

EternalEnigma21 01-17-2006 11:51 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
What annoys me is that they now have the "justification time" with the head of league officiating on NFL Total Access. I mean, seriously... this guy just comes on and backs the refs no matter what (of course unless it was completely blatant like the int..).

Also, what was up with the no-call on the offside/false start penalty where they stop an entire play and discuss for 5 minutes and throw no flag. Has that ever happened before?

This season has been tainted by the worst officiating I've seen in my life. Not just for my team, but in the league in general. I don't understand why steve smith gets thrown from a game for putting his hand on a ref, and Ronde Barber gets a kiss on the cheek after decking one.

We need full time well-paid well trained officials.

celts32 01-17-2006 11:56 AM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
The NFL does not agree on the Tampa call. They consider the visual evidence inconclusive on Alstots non score. They reviewed the play on NFL Network with the head of officials and he agreed with the ref for not reversing the call.

I think that's nonsense, but that's where they stand on the call.

And normally there is no public statement, just a letter to the team. I guess playoffs prompted the public statement.

onlydarksets 01-17-2006 12:00 PM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=canthetuna]We need full time well-paid well trained officials.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% - given the amount of money at stake (billions), it's silly not to spend $20 million or so to have full time crews.

[QUOTE=celts32]They reviewed the play on NFL Network with the head of officials and he agreed with the ref for not reversing the call.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware they had made any statement regarding the play. If this is true, then I am a little satisfied. As you said, I think it's ridiculous to say Alstott was in, but there's another thread (or six ;)) on that subject...

Mattyk 01-17-2006 12:04 PM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=canthetuna]Also, what was up with the no-call on the offside/false start penalty where they stop an entire play and discuss for 5 minutes and throw no flag. Has that ever happened before?[/QUOTE]

That was one of the strangest things I've ever seen. It's obvious somebody moved, they basically did the old playground move and called a do over. I really didn't understand that either.

Gmanc711 01-17-2006 12:05 PM

Re: NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 
[QUOTE=onlydarksets]While I prefer your "conspiracy theory" angle, I think your comments about the level of proof make sense. I don't want to [b]completely[/b] rehash the TB game, but, of course, even Gruden wouldn't say "Alstott was obviously in". Oh well, onwards and upwards![/QUOTE]


Honestly, for the first time in the history of watching sports, the idea of a "fix" came into my mind when I was watching the Colts/Steelers game. I have never seen so many bad calls go one teams way, and just a poor job by the officials. In the winter meetings, making penalties reviewable HAS GOT to be a priority. They would get reviewed by other officals upstairs and sent down to the on feild ref.


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