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Skins_4_Lyfe 02-18-2006 09:00 PM

Lavar has been misused...
 
Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hate to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.

That Guy 02-18-2006 09:18 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
who knows, we've talked about it before, and i haven't really heard a great reason besides he lost speed ddue to the injury... I'm all for increased sack count.

Schneed10 02-18-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]

Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.

GoSkins! 02-18-2006 10:24 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly? Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.

bigm29 02-18-2006 10:33 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

[b]Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly?[/b] Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.[/QUOTE]
ever hear of [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396031"]Robert Mathis[/url]? 6-2, 235, and he got 11.5 sacks

shallyshal 02-18-2006 10:40 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]

lavar has been unable to stay healthy.. and unable to keep from blowing coverages.. not too bad for someone making vet minimum salary... totally unacceptable for someone about to cost the team 12 mil in cap dollars..

shallyshal 02-18-2006 10:44 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly? Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.[/QUOTE]


i see the skins are thinking seriously about drafting tapp to play def end. he is 255 and 6' 1" and will be going up against those same tackles. is that a mistake too?

seriously, lavar has enough size and strength but lacks technique coming off the edge. he tends to plow right into those tackles and get swallowed up. even chris clemons seemed to have better technique.
perhaps lavar is not fully over his injuries and perhaps he is not suited well for rushing the passer from that spot... i do not know for certain but lavars production has certainly diminished inthat regard

Skins_4_Lyfe 02-18-2006 10:53 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.[/QUOTE]

thats kinda harsh...

70Chip 02-18-2006 11:42 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.[/QUOTE]

First, I would preface this by saying that some knee injuries take a couple of years to completely recover from. (Some never heal). If this were the case with Lavar and he were willing to restructure, I might keep him.

However, Lavar says he is 100% and it is not clear if he would restructure. There is no way the Redskins can keep him given his contract and the current state of his play. He not only seems unsure of his asignments, but he also looks physically slow and overweight. I thought I was alone in that but Riggins said the same thing on the last RR of the season.

saskin 02-18-2006 11:56 PM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
It did say he "PLANNED" to use him like that. Didn't say it was set in stone.

Schneed10 02-19-2006 12:51 AM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]thats kinda harsh...[/QUOTE]

Harsh, but deserved. He has never bothered to develop any consistent technique or learn the intricacies of defensive assignments because he was always able to rely on his athletic ability and speed to make up for those shortcomings. But as soon as his knee got hurt and he became a step slower, that athleticism wasn't there to bail him out, and his shortcomings have been exposed.

If Lavar's speed is there, he can probably continue to do damage on the field. But you can't pay a guy that much money when he's starting to have balky knees if he's not going to be technically sound. As soon as something starts hurting him and his speed dwindles, he becomes totally useless. Speed and nastiness are his only assets; if he loses them he's going to play terribly, book it.

Some guys actually make up for their lack of speed by being smart and working hard (Lemar Marshall). But Arrington is the opposite. Guys like that aren't worth the money we're paying him.

81toHOF 02-19-2006 12:54 AM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
are you kidding me? have you ever seen lavar get in a three point stance and do anything productive? the dude is not a pass rusher. he seemed to shy away from contact when williams would send him on blitzes this year. he's lost his explosiveness/mojo (self admission) and will be a june cut. for all his drama and expense, what has lavar arrington produced for us? i can think of two plays...the int for td against carolina long, long ago and the KO shot (in a losing cause) on aikman. many of his pro bowl/beauty pageant trips were un-earned. the one season under marvin lewis was perhaps his only legit trip to the 50th. it's time for 56 to go away. if we cut him, watch the market. the market will show you what other teams think of this dude. he's a hype machine and danny's made him a millionaire.

wheeler 02-19-2006 01:19 AM

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 
[QUOTE=70Chip]First, I would preface this by saying that some knee injuries take a couple of years to completely recover from. (Some never heal). If this were the case with Lavar and he were willing to restructure, I might keep him.

However, Lavar says he is 100% and it is not clear if he would restructure. There is no way the Redskins can keep him given his contract and the current state of his play. He not only seems unsure of his asignments, but he also looks physically slow and overweight. I thought I was alone in that but Riggins said the same thing on the last RR of the season.[/QUOTE] i think it would be great if lavar stayed . I think he's a leader .Remember he was the redskins [size=3]very[/size] best player for a couple of years .


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