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RedskinPete 03-01-2006 06:08 AM

If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
Now I am not trying to started a new post for the hell of it! I really like to hear from some of you on the CBA and how it works in regard to you if you owened the team. Dan S. is a smart man who has made a lot of money right? Well what is the best thing for him and the team he owns to do. Get a CBA done and cave in on sharing revenues with small market teams? Let the CBA end and take the deep hit of the cap this season with better days in season to come. What is the best for the Washington Redskins long term? Many of you are really into this while some of us are not up to speed. What is the best way to go and why?

mooby 03-01-2006 06:16 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
if a cba was done then we'd be in good shape. If the cba doesn't happen in the next 48 hours, i'd probably let my team suffer this year, then reap the rewards next season when there isn't any salary cap.

dmek25 03-01-2006 06:43 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
with the skins being the #1 sports franchise in the world right now,dan snyder has everything to gain by holding out.the 2005 team will look totally different from the 2006 model.as well as the 2007 team.the skins will suffer for one season then reap the rewards for an uncapped league.plus all revenue the redskins franchise accumulates will go directly into snyders pockets.you know the old saying the rich get richer.....

jdlea 03-01-2006 07:04 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I have to say, I would have just sucked up the revenue sharing. He makes a ton of money as it is, there's no way it's worth mortgaging the success we had last season. I don't like the fact that he and a few other owners have been major roadblocks for the deal.

Anyway, that's basically irrelevant because apparently he won't back off. So, next year will be uncapped and then there's supposed to be a lock out. That really sucks.

That Guy 03-01-2006 07:22 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=dmek25]with the skins being the #1 sports franchise in the world right now,dan snyder has everything to gain by holding out.the 2005 team will look totally different from the 2006 model.as well as the 2007 team.the skins will suffer for one season then reap the rewards for an uncapped league.plus all revenue the redskins franchise accumulates will go directly into snyders pockets.you know the old saying the rich get richer.....[/QUOTE]

if the redskins become the yankees, the value of the nfl as a whole goes down, teams start getting seperate tv deals etc and it might actually hurt the skins financially long term. It really depends on how fans of the nfl as a whole react to the haves and have nots.

i'd get a new cba done, cause if the union goes kaput/lockout and the nfl goes to court, it could REALLY lose... then again, without a draft, maybe the haves would be better off (being able to sign at least 4 top ten picks a year)

If i could see 20 years down the road it'd be a much easier decision. I wouldn't cave on revenue sharing without some provision of how my stadium debt was going to get paid off though.

onlydarksets 03-01-2006 08:08 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I agree with his point about local revenues - why should the Cardinals (who do NOTHING to promote their team) get the benefit of the (often shameless) promotional efforts of the Skins?

Maybe they should distribute revenues according to how much each team SPENDS. I have a feeling a lot of these low-revenue teams don't spend the money, either.

irish 03-01-2006 08:46 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
Currently the skins have a big money owner that spends like crazy but this is not necessarily a permanent situation. There is always the possibility that DS could take a bath on the 6 flags deal and some other financial problems (I'm just speculating) could happen causing him to cut back on spending or even sell the team and suddenly have the skins more like the Pirates than the yankees.

What I'm saying is that the skins situation today is not necessarily what it will be in 10 years so as an insurance policy for the future the skins (and all teams) should do whatever is necessary to keep the NFL from turning into MLB when it comes to revenue sharing (or lack thereof).

drew54 03-01-2006 09:09 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=jdlea]I have to say, I would have just sucked up the revenue sharing. He makes a ton of money as it is, there's no way it's worth mortgaging the success we had last season. I don't like the fact that he and a few other owners have been major roadblocks for the deal.

Anyway, that's basically irrelevant because apparently he won't back off. So, next year will be uncapped and then there's supposed to be a lock out. That really sucks.[/QUOTE]


Everyone is too greedy. Including Danny.

Everyone loses.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-01-2006 09:30 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I wouldn't call Danny greedy. Ambitious maybe, but greedy, probably not. You should read in one of the articles about the CBA in how Dan is willing to basically forego a BILLION dollars over the next 25 years to get a deal done and save the team for NOW. I mean that SERIOUSLY is loving your team and fan base.

Monksdown 03-01-2006 09:36 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
For my money, I wouldnt believe it if Danny was suddenly not greedy. Greed brings out the best and worst in people. But for Danny, the accumulation of wealth has allowed us to have Joe Gibbs back. It put us in the playoffs last year. It has allowed us to have a consistant, hard nose defense.

God Bless Dan Snyder's ambition.

Atleast he's not on the mic constantly. I like that he is a quiet owner. You know what they say, "Speak softly with a fat wallet."

irish 03-01-2006 10:14 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I wouldn't call Danny greedy. Ambitious maybe, but greedy, probably not. You should read in one of the articles about the CBA in how Dan is willing to basically forego a BILLION dollars over the next 25 years to get a deal done and save the team for NOW. I mean that SERIOUSLY is loving your team and fan base.[/QUOTE]

Again thats assuming DS is the owner for the next 25 years.

skin4Life28 03-01-2006 10:39 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I think Danny boy has had some rough season at the beginning, but is finally starting to get it as owner. I don't think there is anything that I would change with what he is doing. And on a side note, if there happens to be a lockout I may as well reserve my room in the nut house.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-01-2006 10:44 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=irish]Again thats assuming DS is the owner for the next 25 years.[/QUOTE]

Let's assume he's not. He'll be out TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS next year just so that he can have team stability. I mean I don't think we can wrap our brains around what a loyal thing that is.

RedskinPete 03-01-2006 10:45 AM

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[QUOTE=drew54]Everyone is too greedy. Including Danny.

Everyone loses.[/QUOTE]

You all need to put the players in that line as well! Reported on NFL Net work that the players [PA] wanted 60% of the gross and the Owners was 53% I believe. Upshaw said the two are so far apart that there is almost no way they will come together. The players are asking to much!!! So put Upshaw and Burnell and the PA as greedy as well!!!! :headbange

irish 03-01-2006 10:54 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Let's assume he's not. He'll be out TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS next year just so that he can have team stability. I mean I don't think we can wrap our brains around what a loyal thing that is.[/QUOTE]

I guess what I'm saying is DS and all owners need to look beyond their own teams and work for league stability. If the league is stable and strong then the individual teams will also be stable and strong. Its a big picture thing.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-01-2006 10:57 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I think that Dan is willing to do that right now even at the risk of losing a fortune in the process. I'm sure the primary motive is to keep the team together, but I'm also sure he has some benevolent agenda in there.

FRPLG 03-01-2006 11:23 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
Edit: I should probably read the entire thread before posting. TMC already noted the article about Snyder backing off on the revenue sharing issues to get a CBA done.

irish 03-01-2006 11:27 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I think that Dan is willing to do that right now even at the risk of losing a fortune in the process. I'm sure the primary motive is to keep the team together, but I'm also sure he has some benevolent agenda in there.[/QUOTE]

He wont lose a fortune, he'll just make that fortune in a different way.

RedskinPete 03-01-2006 11:32 AM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=FRPLG]Edit: I should probably read the entire thread before posting. TMC already noted the article about Snyder backing off on the revenue sharing issues to get a CBA done.[/QUOTE]

I think there is more to this. The PA wants 60% of the gross of every team makes. What they get now is a percent of tv,gate and so on. Not what teams make on the side raido,sales of some things and other things. Also teams that own there on fields and have to pay the bill each month has not been factored in as well!

Monksdown 03-01-2006 12:02 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
There is a reason some have money and others do not. If I was Dan Snyder, and the PA was coming after 50-60% of my revenue. Attornies would be the first and probably final attack. But professional hitmen and harassing players families illegally would definitely be part of my game plan. Billion of dollars people, billions.

#56fanatic 03-01-2006 12:07 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
For me : The players what 60%, owners have offers 56.2% or something of that nature. There is a middle ground, the owners and players know it. The NFL is what it is because of the cap and the current CBA. If I was Danny I would try and say "look at my Franchise, lets give the players 58.5 %, see if that does it. we have to admit without a CBA, the NFL will become the MLB. And I am here to tell you, I will be George Steinbrenner, I will buy every legitament player that will put me in the superbowl year after year and your teams will suffer. And also, dont try to take my local revenue. thats my community, my money, keep your hands off. If you would run your teams with the money we give you instead of keeping it in your pocket, you would see some profits.

For the current players : Brunell if he doesn't want to rework the contract, SEE YA!!! Campbell, put your helmet on, you are playing. Deal Ramsey to the highest bidder. Bowen,harris,clark,royal,cartright,holdman,raymer,wynn,noble,maybe daniels, we'll see ya later. good luck in the future. Cutting LaVar isn't saving you too anything, keep him because I doubt we find anyone will his upside for less than 1 million. Patten see ya, trash see ya.(unless patten is cheap this year).
I think we could be competative with Campbell , Portis, moss and our Oline and Cooley and a decent # 2 wr. Our D w/ Griffin, Washington, Arrington, Taylor, Springs, and Rogers. Then 2007, watch out, spend spend spend.

That Guy 03-01-2006 12:58 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=#56fanatic]
For the current players : Brunell if he doesn't want to rework the contract, SEE YA!!! Campbell, put your helmet on, you are playing. Deal Ramsey to the highest bidder. Bowen,harris,clark,royal,cartright,holdman,raymer,wynn,noble,maybe daniels, we'll see ya later. good luck in the future. Cutting LaVar isn't saving you too anything, keep him because I doubt we find anyone will his upside for less than 1 million. Patten see ya, trash see ya.(unless patten is cheap this year).
I think we could be competative with Campbell , Portis, moss and our Oline and Cooley and a decent # 2 wr. Our D w/ Griffin, Washington, Arrington, Taylor, Springs, and Rogers. Then 2007, watch out, spend spend spend.[/QUOTE]


seventeenth time, we can't cut brunell without a new cba, and only thomas would remain on our oline without a new cba.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-01-2006 01:00 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
If I were the owner, I'd probably kill myself. ;)

#56fanatic 03-01-2006 02:06 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]seventeenth time, we can't cut brunell without a new cba, and only thomas would remain on our oline without a new cba.[/QUOTE]

Hey buddy, I just read about it costing us more to cut him than keep him, so back off. And I seriously doubt you will see us cut all of our O-Line. no way jansen, samuels, thomas get cut. plus Rabach just signed last year so his cap figure shouldn't be too hight. Make sure you are referring to right person when saying you have said this 16 times. I haven't heard it from you once!

MTK 03-01-2006 02:07 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I think we should cut Brunell and save some cap.

#56fanatic 03-01-2006 02:07 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]seventeenth time, we can't cut brunell without a new cba, and only thomas would remain on our oline without a new cba.[/QUOTE]

Wait a second, you jump on my ass for one person out of the 10 or so I mentioned. someone wound a little tight?

Master4Caster 03-01-2006 02:10 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
Before saying what I would do, here's what I [i]think[/i] I understand about this mess:[list=1][*]The salary cap imposed an even playing field for talent. Big market teams cannot leverage their potential to handle a larger payroll. Smart talent decisions count. Throwing big dollars around is mostly a waste. That parity has been good for the league.[*]The entire payroll is 100% covered by TV revenue for every team.[*]Compared to other pro athletes in other sports, pro football players are [i]way[/i] underpaid, especially considering their short careers and risk to health.[*]As a result of the above, NFLPA is demanding a much higher percentage of the TV revenue [i]and[/i] a percentage of a team's local revenue. As much as anyone, it's the player's association forcing the revenue sharing discussion! (The player's also want to cut agent commissions to 2%. That could be very shortsighted on their part) I don't blame NFLPA for advocating for players. It's their job. The issue is that small markets generate less local revenue to tap, so players on a small market team are at a financial disadvantage to players in a big market. Thus, the socialistic revenue sharing idea. (socialism bad; capitalism good; in capitalism man exploits man, but in socialism it's the other way around)[/list]So, if I'm Mr. Snyder:[list=1][*]I'd approach any discussion with the welfare of my franchise #1 and of the league #2. If another team is [i]truly[/i] in a bad financial structure, I would consider [i]some[/i] formula to tap into [i]some[/i] revenue to correct it. The players [i]should[/i] get a higher percentage of TV revenue, although not 60%, expecially if it includes local revenue.[*]BUT, I'd remind everybody that most other teams play in tax-payer subsidized stadiums funded by local government. They may not like their lease deals, but they didnt shell out what old Jack did to build Cooke/Fedex Field, or what the Danny does to maintain it. Unless another franchise or the NFLPA helped fund construction of Fedex, they don't get a piece of the local action. (Of course, if they [b]did[/b] help finance it, I would share something in a private deal!)[*]The Redskins are a wealthy franchise because they [i][u]own[/u][/i] their stadium. If other teams want to gain, they should build and own [i][u]their[/u][/i] own stadium. Applies to the greedy major league baseball monopoly, too.[*]Fedex is the largest stadium in the league and always sells out. Visiting teams get 40% of the gate, so it's a big payday when they come -- and everybody wants to come! To get my vote for sharing local revenue, I want to cut the visitors share of the gate to 30% to make up for the loss. (or some such formula)[*]If the CBA is not renewed, I'd take my hits in 2006 and go to heaven in 2007. Yes, I'd lose core players, but I -- make that my Joe Gibbs led football professionals -- would be scouring the waiver wires for all the other salary cap casualties that would surely occur. Betcha there'll be a lot of good receivers and pass rushers available on March 4!!![*]With no salary cap in 2007, the advantage falls to the Redskins and other big market franchises, which would include all the NFC/AFC East teams. I, the Danny, am what everyone is afraid of -- a free spending owner building a dynasty unburdened by salary caps; and that's why I think this thing gets settled in the next few days.[/list]

Oakland Red 03-01-2006 02:35 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I would be co-operative about revenue sharing, let the players have a bigger piece of the pie, turn in my gang of 9 membership card and do my part to save the NFL from self-destruction.

That Guy 03-01-2006 03:12 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Wait a second, you jump on my ass for one person out of the 10 or so I mentioned. someone wound a little tight?[/QUOTE]

jump on your ass? i just answered your question, i'm sorry, but i think you may be wound a bit tight :P I've answered the exact same question multiple times in nearly every thread the last three days. It was humor cause it was asked so often i started numbering them. I'm sorry if you weren't paying attention or reading the other threads and missed it. no need to get touchy.

That Guy 03-01-2006 03:15 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Hey buddy, I just read about it costing us more to cut him than keep him, so back off. And I seriously doubt you will see us cut all of our O-Line. no way jansen, samuels, thomas get cut. plus Rabach just signed last year so his cap figure shouldn't be too hight. Make sure you are referring to right person when saying you have said this 16 times. I haven't heard it from you once![/QUOTE]

if we cut everybody that save us any money on the roster and replaced them with a 235k rookie at vet min (thats 40 1st year rookies and 13 people we can't cut cause it'd cost more than keeping them), we'd still be 1.4mill over the cap. no cba = everyone is leaving. and do you really think the same person asked me the same question 16 times? sometimes two different people asked the same thing on the same page right after it had been answered. I'm sorry you're late on the party ;).

SmootSmack 03-01-2006 03:15 PM

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Is Question 3 "Will we save money by cutting Brunell?"

That Guy 03-01-2006 03:20 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=Master4Caster]Before saying what I would do, here's what I [i]think[/i] I understand about this mess:

[list=1][*]Compared to other pro athletes in other sports, pro football players are [i]way[/i] underpaid, especially considering their short careers and risk to health.[*]As a result of the above, NFLPA is demanding a much higher percentage of the TV revenue [i]and[/i] a percentage of a team's local revenue. As much as anyone, it's the player's association forcing the revenue sharing discussion! (The player's also want to cut agent commissions to 2%. That could be very shortsighted on their part) I don't blame NFLPA for advocating for players. It's their job. The issue is that small markets generate less local revenue to tap, so players on a small market team are at a financial disadvantage to players in a big market. Thus, the socialistic revenue sharing idea. (socialism bad; capitalism good; in capitalism man exploits man, but in socialism it's the other way around)[/list][list=1][*]The Redskins are a wealthy franchise because they [i][u]own[/u][/i] their stadium. If other teams want to gain, they should build and own [i][u]their[/u][/i] own stadium. Applies to the greedy major league baseball monopoly, too.[*]Fedex is the largest stadium in the league and always sells out. Visiting teams get 40% of the gate, so it's a big payday when they come -- and everybody wants to come! To get my vote for sharing local revenue, I want to cut the visitors share of the gate to 30% to make up for the loss. (or some such formula)[/list][/QUOTE]



the nflpa doesn't really consider its members underpaid per se (hockey and soccer players make less and basketball teams make less per team), but if the money is there and they help raise it, they want to take more of it home. its greed on both sides.



the other quick point is danny owns his stadium, but, of course, he owns the debt too, and no one is talking about how to pay that off. its not fair for the redskins stores to pay for the colts lease deal when only danny is left to pay off his debt.

MTK 03-01-2006 03:23 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Is Question 3 "Will we save money by cutting Brunell?"[/QUOTE]

Question 3.1

How much steriods can the team buy with the cap savings from cutting Brunell?

Hog1 03-01-2006 03:28 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
Look at the bright side. If not for the contract crises, for the last two weeks, we would be talking about Jack sh...
I'd hold out, and lick my wounds this year (if necessary), and next year.............look out!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-01-2006 03:40 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=Hog1]Look at the bright side. If not for the contract crises, for the last two weeks, we would be talking about Jack sh...
I'd hold out, and lick my wounds this year (if necessary), and next year.............look out![/QUOTE]

I'd prefer to be speculating with glee about who we'd get in free agency and the draft without worrying about the cap.

But the bright side is that Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders are here. If there is any time to dismantle a franchise and rebuild, let's do it when the coaching staff knows what it is doing, can compensate for roster turnover, and can get us on the right track in a hurry.

RedskinPete 03-01-2006 04:10 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=Hog1]Look at the bright side. If not for the contract crises, for the last two weeks, we would be talking about Jack sh...
I'd hold out, and lick my wounds this year (if necessary), and next year.............look out![/QUOTE]

I Hate to say it but you may be right! :party-smi The NFL on bith sides is killing me!!! :smashfrea

Hog1 03-01-2006 04:17 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
The next day or two should be lively! I like all of you wil be MEDIA bound

RedskinPete 03-01-2006 04:25 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
[QUOTE=Hog1]The next day or two should be lively! I like all of you wil be MEDIA bound[/QUOTE]

There will be a lot of players thrown from the bus on all teams!!! The PA sure isn't looking out for them! But Mark Burnell came up big :headbange for us so I hope others will fallow! :food-smil

bertoskins 03-01-2006 05:01 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
I will sacrifice this year and then
bring an NFC pro bowl team next year
and buy some super bowls

JET 03-01-2006 06:36 PM

Re: If You Owned the Redskins what would you do?
 
What would I do if I owned the Redskins? I'll tell you what I'd do. Two cheerleaders at the same time.


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