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Schneed10 03-12-2006 09:21 PM

CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
Have you guys noticed that the Skins don't seem to be pursuing any CBs in free agency? They came out of the gate like gangbusters going after Randle-El, Lloyd, Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Todd Collins, and Christian Fauria. But I haven't seen even one tiny blurb about them pursuing a CB.

With Walt Harris gone, the team surely knows that Ade can't serve as our nickel. The team must have a plan, and given the draft's depth at CB, I'm guessing they have some CB candidates for our 2nd rounder. Some of you guys really know the draft pool, can you hit us with the CB candidates the Skins might be interested in with their 2nd rounder?

BrudLee 03-12-2006 09:36 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
CB is a sensitive position for us because of our top two. Springs is clearly our #1 for now, and Rogers needs to be number two to keep his growth as a player going. Essentially, we're looking for someone worse thhan them, but not worthless. That's not going to be an easy slot to fill on the first two days of free agency.

Personally, I'd like too see us try Eric Warfield from the Chiefs. He's very good, but he's had some league addressed problems with alcohol that could keep his price down. A little old for the youth movement at 30, but still good enough to start if injuries take their toll on the secondary.

shallyshal 03-12-2006 09:39 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Have you guys noticed that the Skins don't seem to be pursuing any CBs in free agency? They came out of the gate like gangbusters going after Randle-El, Lloyd, Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Todd Collins, and Christian Fauria. But I haven't seen even one tiny blurb about them pursuing a CB.

With Walt Harris gone, the team surely knows that Ade can't serve as our nickel. The team must have a plan, and given the draft's depth at CB, I'm guessing they have some CB candidates for our 2nd rounder. Some of you guys really know the draft pool, can you hit us with the CB candidates the Skins might be interested in with their 2nd rounder?[/QUOTE]


yes, they might use their second rounder for a cb... more likely they will pick up andre dyson or r w mcquarters

That Guy 03-12-2006 09:42 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
we may get a #3 CB in FA yet, they're 2nd and 3rd tier FAs, so much less important than the other guys we brought in.

in the 2nd jonathan joseph is the guy i'd take (FAST), but plenty of other options will also be there, and gerrick mcpherson (UMD) might fall into the 5th as well.

I still like OG with our 2nd round pick due to the expense of bringing in a quality OL guy. though we might try for arizona's LG (R webb?) since he's low tendered and would only cost a 6th round pick.

skins009 03-12-2006 09:42 PM

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Don't forget the skins could resign Walt Harris for less money. I don't think he's gonna have to many bidders on the open market and could very well resign with us.

That Guy 03-12-2006 09:43 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=skins009]Don't forget the skins could resign Walt Harris for less money. I don't think he's gonna have to many bidders on the open market and could very well resign with us.[/QUOTE]

he's kinda terrible though.

TrustinGibbs 03-12-2006 09:44 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
Joe Gibbs ALWAYS has a plan. Know that. He's been extremely successful at the highest levels of competition in professional (2)sports for the past 20+ years and you guys still doubt him? He'll get what we need and Snyder will pay for it. I always keep one thing in mind...wherever the competition is, our guy, Mr. Gibbs is already two steps ahead.

In the past Snyder would spend but no one had a clue as to what to spend his $ on. Now we have a true football genius making those decisions.


As fans we cannot ask for a better situation.

diehardskin2982 03-12-2006 09:45 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
it's only day 2.., we still have some time

That Guy 03-12-2006 10:08 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=TrustinGibbs]Joe Gibbs ALWAYS has a plan. Know that. He's been extremely successful at the highest levels of competition in professional (2)sports for the past 20+ years and you guys still doubt him? He'll get what we need and Snyder will pay for it. I always keep one thing in mind...wherever the competition is, our guy, Mr. Gibbs is already two steps ahead.

In the past Snyder would spend but no one had a clue as to what to spend his $ on. Now we have a true football genius making those decisions.


As fans we cannot ask for a better situation.[/QUOTE]

um, this is a forum, where people talk. Maybe you missed the point of this thread, but according to your post we shouldn't ever discuss anything ever? kinda defeats the purpose of why we're here, now doesn't it?

Monksdown 03-12-2006 10:10 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
With Walt Harris gone, the team surely knows that Ade can't serve as our nickel. The team must have a plan, and given the draft's depth at CB, I'm guessing they have some CB candidates for our 2nd rounder. Some of you guys really know the draft pool, can you hit us with the CB candidates the Skins might be interested in with their 2nd rounder?[/QUOTE]

I hope they don't waste our 2nd rounder on a cb. Id rather a linebacker.

mcalderone10 03-12-2006 10:24 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]he's kinda terrible though.[/QUOTE]

minor details

mcalderone10 03-12-2006 10:25 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]um, this is a forum, where people talk. Maybe you missed the point of this thread, but according to your post we shouldn't ever discuss anything ever? kinda defeats the purpose of why we're here, now doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

and he understood himself he wouldn't be posting/discussing

Pocket$ $traight 03-12-2006 10:28 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Monksdown]With Walt Harris gone, the team surely knows that Ade can't serve as our nickel. The team must have a plan, and given the draft's depth at CB, I'm guessing they have some CB candidates for our 2nd rounder. Some of you guys really know the draft pool, can you hit us with the CB candidates the Skins might be interested in with their 2nd rounder?[/QUOTE]

I hope they don't waste our 2nd rounder on a cb. Id rather a linebacker.[/QUOTE]

Why can't Ade cover nickel? When Springs and Rogers were hurt he was starting.

That Guy 03-12-2006 10:51 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I hope they don't waste our 2nd rounder on a cb. Id rather a linebacker.[/QUOTE]

Why can't Ade cover nickel? When Springs and Rogers were hurt he was starting.[/QUOTE]

he got burnt too. he can start, but its definately not optimal.

jdlea 03-12-2006 10:55 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
I think the Skins don't need to rush into signing a cornerback. They do need a nickel guy to come in and possibly take over as the starter when Springs is finished. We also pretty much know that this guy is gonna see some action as a starter because Springs and Rogers both missed time last year. I think that it is an important thing that we bring someone, but I'm not ready to press the panic button just because we haven't looked into adding depth because we're too busy courting starters.

JWsleep 03-12-2006 10:55 PM

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They gave Ade an RFA sheet, so I think they hope he can play nickle. But my guess is that when the market calms down, we'll bring in a vet 3rd CB or two, and see who steps up in camp. IMHO, CBs are overpaid right now, and we have two starters so there's no need to jump in yet. A pass rusher, on the other hand...

Pocket$ $traight 03-12-2006 11:05 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=JWsleep]They gave Ade an RFA sheet, so I think they hope he can play nickle. But my guess is that when the market calms down, we'll bring in a vet 3rd CB or two, and see who steps up in camp. IMHO, CBs are overpaid right now, and we have two starters so there's no need to jump in yet. A pass rusher, on the other hand...[/QUOTE]

They may also try to do what Denver did last year and use the draft to find corners. I think this year's group is pretty deep in that area.

That Guy 03-12-2006 11:10 PM

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we've got pass rushers sighted at least. If dyson is cheap, he'd be good. hopefully then at least 2 of the 3 would be healthy each week.

That Guy 03-12-2006 11:12 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]They may also try to do what Denver did last year and use the draft to find corners. I think this year's group is pretty deep in that area.[/QUOTE]

i think the spray and pray is a good idea. but they used a ton of day one picks on corners and 5ths and 6ths are much less likely to prove worthwhile :(

BUT, its not like there's any position where those picks would be really likely to turn into useful players.

reidskind 03-13-2006 12:11 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
I'd like to see the 2nd rounder on an OLB... I think someone like Andre Dyson would be perfect for what we run on defense. He was very productive putting pressure on the QB at Tennessee. I just dont want ol' Dan to overpay someone like this. Him or not, I'd like to see us address the d backfield through FA (Archuleta, r w, etc...)

Skins_4_Lyfe 03-13-2006 12:29 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
How about bringing back Smoot...Damn we have to see Steve Smith next year. LOL

TrustinGibbs 03-13-2006 07:37 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]um, this is a forum, where people talk. Maybe you missed the point of this thread, but according to your post we shouldn't ever discuss anything ever? kinda defeats the purpose of why we're here, now doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't saying dont talk about it. I was saying I'm not worried about it because Gibbs and Snyder will get what we need before the start of camp. It's now 3 days into free agency. These people have been working since last season ended to fix the cap situation, fill holes and improve this team...do you really think they haven't thought about filling the 3rd CB spot? I dont.

I'm new here and in no way was trying to offend anyone. Just stating my opinion.

Pocket$ $traight 03-13-2006 09:02 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]How about bringing back Smoot...Damn we have to see Steve Smith next year. LOL[/QUOTE]

And Steve Smith gets to see #21.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-13-2006 09:40 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]How about bringing back Smoot...Damn we have to see Steve Smith next year. LOL[/QUOTE]

Steve Smith AND... :)

That's what I like about the Panthers, they really have one offensive threat (as of this writing).

That Guy 03-13-2006 09:47 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Steve Smith AND... :)

That's what I like about the Panthers, they really have one offensive threat (as of this writing).[/QUOTE]

they way overpaid deshaun. he's a reassonable RB, decent at catching too, but he's ended 3 of 4 years on IR. he's ALWAYS hurt.

onlydarksets 03-13-2006 10:00 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]he's kinda terrible though.[/QUOTE]

Careful - that's [u]my[/u] territory.

ahem, ahem...Walt Harris sucks.

Thank you.

Schneed10 03-13-2006 10:50 AM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
I'm surprised at what I'm hearing in this thread. I think we need to be thinking CB and only CB with that 2nd rounder in the draft. Shawn Springs is great, but on the wrong side of 30. Rogers seems poised to be a solid #1 corner for a number of years. But behind those two, we have nothing. I think it serves our interests to get a rookie with some talent in the fold, he can start off as nickel and then take over for Springs once he becomes a total geezer. Given the depth of CB in the draft, we're pretty much guaranteed a shot at a good one. We need to be thinking about the future, CB is not a position I want to mess around with. Need to take young talent while it's available, and it's available at our 2nd rounder this year.

That Guy 03-13-2006 06:56 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'm surprised at what I'm hearing in this thread. I think we need to be thinking CB and only CB with that 2nd rounder in the draft. Shawn Springs is great, but on the wrong side of 30. Rogers seems poised to be a solid #1 corner for a number of years. But behind those two, we have nothing. I think it serves our interests to get a rookie with some talent in the fold, he can start off as nickel and then take over for Springs once he becomes a total geezer. Given the depth of CB in the draft, we're pretty much guaranteed a shot at a good one. We need to be thinking about the future, CB is not a position I want to mess around with. Need to take young talent while it's available, and it's available at our 2nd rounder this year.[/QUOTE]

you could say that about a lot of positions. a #3 CB is cheaper in FA than a starting quality OL guy or a LB replacement for arrington. both of those guys HAVE to be starting quality, the CB doesn't.

besides, we might pickup dyson whos a good #2 anyways and cheap.

Beemnseven 03-14-2006 05:22 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=That Guy]you could say that about a lot of positions. a #3 CB is cheaper in FA than a starting quality OL guy or a LB replacement for arrington. both of those guys HAVE to be starting quality, the CB doesn't.

besides, we might pickup dyson whos a good #2 anyways and cheap.[/QUOTE]

Pardon my ignorance, but which 'Dyson' are you referring to, and what team does he play for?

SmootSmack 03-14-2006 05:27 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Pardon my ignorance, but which 'Dyson' are you referring to, and what team does he play for?[/QUOTE]

[URL=http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235209]Andre Dyson[/URL]

That Guy 03-14-2006 08:12 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Pardon my ignorance, but which 'Dyson' are you referring to, and what team does he play for?[/QUOTE]

#2 semi-ballhawk CB with the titans until the salary cap purge, got picked up (cheaply) by seattle and was their #2 last year, had injury problems and was released again. cheap due to injury issues, but #2 talent is their.

EternalEnigma21 03-15-2006 11:18 PM

Re: CB Ignored in Free Agency
 
well, as physical as our corners are demanded to be I say go after the most quality CB available in the draft. I'd love to see Devin Hester fall to us in the draft. He'd fit right into GW's scheme and he hits like a mf'er.


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