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Monkeydad 04-27-2006 12:27 PM

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[quote=itvnetop][URL="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wal_mart_the_high_cost_of_low_price/"]Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price[/URL][/quote]

Yeah, because capitalism is bad for the economy. :nono:

I don't shop there because I prefer to be waited on in English (or served AT ALL) and I hate the lines and inconveniences like dodging shoes that parents throw at kids and miss...but there is nothing wrong with a business growing and being sucessful.

Actually, the last time I was there, a mother with small kids was screaming "I'll F### you in the mouth!" into a cellphone. I immediately, and loudly asked "how are you supposed to accomplish that? while passing her. Hilarious, yet I feel sorry for her kids. I was also hit with a flying football on that trip.

I only go there when necessary, not because I think they're somehow evil...I just like more personalized service and smaller (more civilized) crowds.

Monkeydad 04-27-2006 12:31 PM

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[quote=Daseal]40% of their employees live below the poverty limit.[/quote]

WAL*MART didn't force them to lack job skills or a strong work ethic. In America, you get back what you put into it. Look at all of the people aho (hopefully legally) came to the nation with nothing and worked hard for a great life. If you want to succeed in America, you can and likely will.

When you depend on the government and other taxpayers to pay your way through life, you'll never grow as a person.

Welfare has ruined FAR more lives than it has helped. If some of these people would work hard and learn some skills, they could move out of WAL*MART and the poverty level.

That stat is probably not accurate anyways since most of their employees are high school/college kids and retired people.

Monkeydad 04-27-2006 12:35 PM

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[quote=BigSKINBauer]BSB does what he can.

The only reason to hate Walmart is it beats the shit out of the little guy. I mean no one can compete with walmart. For the consumer it is great and if you cant beat it, join it. Walmart offers a ton of jobs and can be a boost to an economy of a run down place. for my little stock market project at school i put some play money into their stock but it isn't doing all that great but it did go up some. I like Wal-mart. I can buy all this stuff so damn cheap and all i have to do is put up with some babies screaming. The people who manage those stores probably make a shit load. They could hold Walmart in a tent in the middle of winter and there still would be people there. I like it.[/quote]

No, people who CHOOSE WAL*MART over the smaller businesses beat the little guys. I shop at small businesses because of their better service, shorter lines and closer proximity to my home. I made that choice despite paying a little more...I'm paying for service and I'll gladly pay more to walk out happy instead of frustrated. The only thing WAL*MART is guilty of is a successful business plan.

I don't see people picketing Sears or even Target because they "hurt the little guy".

Warpath 04-27-2006 12:40 PM

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[QUOTE=Buster]...
That stat is probably not accurate anyways since most of their employees are high school/college kids and retired people.[/QUOTE]

And the people that have been there for a few years due pretty well for themselves. I know that if you've worked there for so many years, you get time and a half on Sundays, and for some of those people its over $25 an hour. Thats not bad for Wal-mart. Wal-mart isn't all bad. It does suck, I agree, but its not all bad all the time. Try shopping around 7-9am weekdays, the place isn't busy then. As a vendor I try to get in by 7 and out by 4, anytime after that you might as well just stand around and watch the freak show.
Also alot of the employees that work there are treated like utter crap from shoppers. I have seen it happen day after day. Customers yelling at employees because of prices, or out of stock items, or lack of customer service.
If you want the TOTAL package for the Wal-mart experience go shoppong on the Friday after Thanksgiving (dubbed Black Friday). As a vendor Im required to be there. Theres some serious funny sh*t that happens, not to mention the fights.

gibbsisgod 04-27-2006 12:51 PM

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[quote=Buster]

Welfare has ruined FAR more lives than it has helped. If some of these people would work hard and learn some skills, they could move out of WAL*MART and the poverty level.
.[/quote]truer words were never spoken. everybody wants something for nothing. if people would do for themselves instead of waiting for a handout this country would not be in the shape that it is in.right on buster

itvnetop 04-27-2006 05:50 PM

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[QUOTE=Buster]Yeah, because capitalism is bad for the economy. :nono:[/Quote]

dude, have you even seen this documentary? capitalism is not bad for the economy... but being so cutthroat that it eliminates competition completely is directly antithetical to the basic tenets of capitalism. Capitalism is suppose to promote competition, not create overwhelming monopolies that ravage every single small business out there. Capitalism states that if you work hard enough in the system, you will prosper. Now, there's the slightest chance of becoming a successful entrepreneur in the retail convenience market b/c of Wal-Mart. Exactly how is Wal-Mart promoting the best aspects of capitalism? Target is still around, but what's the long term future of mom and pop's? Especially in small towns where mom and pop's have depended on for livelihoods.

did you also think "supersize me" was an infringement on people's choices to eat what they want? both just showed some truths... granted, eating mickey d's three times a day for a month is exaggerated, but you get the point... we're the fattest country in the world.

if you can dispute anything in "the price of low cost," be my guest. I'm not some rabid socialist saying that capitalism is bad, but it's important that people know the resulting consequences of another's success. I've also read "The world is flat" by friedman, so I do understand the business plan of wal-mart.

Bushead 04-27-2006 11:38 PM

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One time i forgot to buy my sister a christmas present, so at 2Am on Christmas Eve, I happened to be fighting a mob of people at Wal Mart. If you think that there weird people there on a regulaur day, you should check out holidays.

Daseal 04-28-2006 02:23 AM

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[quote]we're the fattest country in the world.[/quote]
Australia is able to claim that title!

[quote]Welfare has ruined FAR more lives than it has helped. If some of these people would work hard and learn some skills, they could move out of WAL*MART and the poverty level.[/quote]
Please explain to me whos life Welfare has ruined and why? Granted Welfare needs changes to be successfull. The basis of it is to help those people who need a little help. I've known people who abused it, and I knew people who were able to get on their feet and become successfull because of it. A guy I used to work with had a kid out of High School, he worked 10 hours a day, but without medical insurance he was screwed. He got Welfare for a little while, got back on his feet, and is doing very well today.

Also, when you look at the cost of daycare. I believe the numbers (too lazy to go look them up now) but assume we have a single mother with two kids. If the best job she can find is for around 9-10 dollars. It actually saves her money to not go to work because of Daycare charges.

Now, there are holes in Welfare no doubt and I hate to see that money wasted on someone who is lazy, but lets not pretend that Welfare doesn't also go towards helping good and honest people who are down on their luck.

Misterbillysells 04-28-2006 10:20 AM

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Wal-mart is responsible for 9-11

BigSKINBauer 04-28-2006 10:37 AM

Re: F... Wal-Mart
 
[quote=Daseal]40% of their employees live below the poverty limit.[/quote]
and if walmart wasn't there there would be competition for little jobs in little family owned stores and if they did get a job as a sales associate they wouldn't be any richer than they are now. I have no problem with Wal-mart, they shouldnt HAVE to pay their employees more or have to help out companies they run out of business. This is still capitalism and companies should be able to do whatever they want. I also have no problem with people boycotting wal-mart or people protesting against them comming to their town because that is also their right. If enough people stop buying there then things would change but the fact is they are the bsest at what they do.

Monkeydad 04-28-2006 11:05 AM

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[quote=Warpath]And the people that have been there for a few years due pretty well for themselves. I know that if you've worked there for so many years, you get time and a half on Sundays, and for some of those people its over $25 an hour. Thats not bad for Wal-mart. Wal-mart isn't all bad. It does suck, I agree, but its not all bad all the time. Try shopping around 7-9am weekdays, the place isn't busy then. As a vendor I try to get in by 7 and out by 4, anytime after that you might as well just stand around and watch the freak show.
Also alot of the employees that work there are treated like utter crap from shoppers. I have seen it happen day after day. Customers yelling at employees because of prices, or out of stock items, or lack of customer service.
If you want the TOTAL package for the Wal-mart experience go shoppong on the Friday after Thanksgiving (dubbed Black Friday). As a vendor Im required to be there. Theres some serious funny sh*t that happens, not to mention the fights.[/quote]

People yell at WAL*MART employees over PRICES? That's hilarious and sad wrapped up in one. Are they complaining that the prices are too low or something? :oink:

Monkeydad 04-28-2006 11:17 AM

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[quote=itvnetop]dude, have you even seen this documentary? capitalism is not bad for the economy... but being so cutthroat that it eliminates competition completely is directly antithetical to the basic tenets of capitalism. Capitalism is suppose to promote competition, not create overwhelming monopolies that ravage every single small business out there. Capitalism states that if you work hard enough in the system, you will prosper. Now, there's the slightest chance of becoming a successful entrepreneur in the retail convenience market b/c of Wal-Mart. Exactly how is Wal-Mart promoting the best aspects of capitalism? Target is still around, but what's the long term future of mom and pop's? Especially in small towns where mom and pop's have depended on for livelihoods.

did you also think "supersize me" was an infringement on people's choices to eat what they want? both just showed some truths... granted, eating mickey d's three times a day for a month is exaggerated, but you get the point... we're the fattest country in the world.

if you can dispute anything in "the price of low cost," be my guest. I'm not some rabid socialist saying that capitalism is bad, but it's important that people know the resulting consequences of another's success. I've also read "The world is flat" by friedman, so I do understand the business plan of wal-mart.[/quote]

No I won't watch those "documentaries" just like I didn't watch that piece of trash that Michael Moore tried to promote as a "documentary".

There's a sector of society who wants to tear down sucessful businesses and make sure no one has to take personal responsibility for their decisions, or lack of them. McDonald's doesn't make you fat...your desire to stuff 1200-calorie, grease-soaked meals down your throat as you're sitting in front of a TV does. WAL*MART doesn't make people poor, they provide goods, services and jobs to those who have less money than others. They also don't make people be lazy or uneducated, the jobless and uneducated people do that to themselves in most cases.

Just because they call it a documentary, doesn't make it true. Even if it's on the news or in a newspaper doesn't make it true.

"Being a cutthroat" is not unfair as long as you're not breaking any laws. Businesses have ALWAYS had to learn to adapt to survive in our capitalist nation. Did they make films about how Henry Ford was being a "cutthroat" by mass-producing cars on an assembly line and making them affordable? Well, maybe those who didn't keep up with him made these wild claims, but ingenuity and innovation are what have made the United States the world's economic superpower. Yes, Sam Walton was innovative. He found a way to provide MORE products in a single building to more people at a lower price. He's not to blame for his success, the consumers who thought it was a great idea and gave him business did.

I find most people who hate WAL*MART to be either selfish or lazy. They want small businesses to suceed but big business to fail. WAL*MART was once a small business. Would you want your sucess to be taken away to help those who haven't found a way to suceed? It's the welfare, entitlement mindset that has ruined America's largest cities. If you want sucess, use your mind and work hard like Sam Walton did...don't expect to be handed money or to tear down those who worked harder than you.

Maybe someday you'll grow up. Getting a job, getting married and having a family and REAL responsibilities will help you, hopefully.

Monkeydad 04-28-2006 11:20 AM

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[quote=BigSKINBauer]and if walmart wasn't there there would be competition for little jobs in little family owned stores and if they did get a job as a sales associate they wouldn't be any richer than they are now. I have no problem with Wal-mart, they should HAVE to pay their employees more or have to help out companies they run out of business. This is still capitalism and companies should be able to do whatever they want. I also have no problem with people boycotting wal-mart or people protesting against them comming to their town because that is also their right. If enough people stop buying there then things would change but the fact is they are the bsest at what they do.[/quote]

Good post. I also don't have a problem if a town DOESN'T want a big store because of potential traffic problems, loss of a rural scenery or if they just love their small businesses. They need legitimate reasons not to give WAL*MART their business though, not because they saw some lying movie about how WAL*MART is "evil".

Is it THAT hard to think these days? I guess so...

That Guy 04-28-2006 01:02 PM

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[quote=Buster]No I won't watch those "documentaries" just like I didn't watch that piece of trash that Michael Moore tried to promote as a "documentary".

There's a sector of society who wants to tear down sucessful businesses and make sure no one has to take personal responsibility for their decisions, or lack of them. McDonald's doesn't make you fat...your desire to stuff 1200-calorie, grease-soaked meals down your throat as you're sitting in front of a TV does. WAL*MART doesn't make people poor, they provide goods, services and jobs to those who have less money than others. They also don't make people be lazy or uneducated, the jobless and uneducated people do that to themselves in most cases.

Just because they call it a documentary, doesn't make it true. Even if it's on the news or in a newspaper doesn't make it true.

"Being a cutthroat" is not unfair as long as you're not breaking any laws. Businesses have ALWAYS had to learn to adapt to survive in our capitalist nation. Did they make films about how Henry Ford was being a "cutthroat" by mass-producing cars on an assembly line and making them affordable? Well, maybe those who didn't keep up with him made these wild claims, but ingenuity and innovation are what have made the United States the world's economic superpower. Yes, Sam Walton was innovative. He found a way to provide MORE products in a single building to more people at a lower price. He's not to blame for his success, the consumers who thought it was a great idea and gave him business did.

I find most people who hate WAL*MART to be either selfish or lazy. They want small businesses to suceed but big business to fail. WAL*MART was once a small business. Would you want your sucess to be taken away to help those who haven't found a way to suceed? It's the welfare, entitlement mindset that has ruined America's largest cities. If you want sucess, use your mind and work hard like Sam Walton did...don't expect to be handed money or to tear down those who worked harder than you.

Maybe someday you'll grow up. Getting a job, getting married and having a family and REAL responsibilities will help you, hopefully.[/quote]

so you're going to bash (a factually accurate) documentary film without ever seeing it? that's not prejudice in any way and is also in no way hypocritical to the arguement you're trying to make here (/sarcasm).

Microsoft has people bashing its PRODUCTS all the time, but no one bashes the company in the way you see with walmart, cause MS doesn't lock its employees in overnight, refuse to pay them for overtime regularly, or advises them to apply for food stamps and housing assistance when they get hired. The gripes about negative social impacts are true. Not so much where I live, but much moreso in more rural settings. Walmart has revolutionized logistics as has dell, but the greed is overpowering.

That Guy 04-28-2006 01:04 PM

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[quote=Buster]Good post. I also don't have a problem if a town DOESN'T want a big store because of potential traffic problems, loss of a rural scenery or if they just love their small businesses. They need legitimate reasons not to give WAL*MART their business though, not because they saw some lying movie about how WAL*MART is "evil".

Is it THAT hard to think these days? I guess so...[/quote]

or because walmart demands free land, free construction (parking lots, roads etc), and to be paid to come into town.


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