The Taylor Jacobs watch
 

Vote and discuss TJ's future with the team. Up to this point he's been disappointing, but he's going to camp with the team yet again and he's been talked up in the media by several of his teammates. Do they know something we don't? (Like that would be a first ;)) Or will he finally get the axe?

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50-50

its either him or thrash

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50-50. If they keep 6 WRs he stays. If they keep 5, hes gone.

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how many wr's did we keep on the roster last year? If we can keep 6, he stays. He does play spec. teams.
if they put him on the practice squad someone would probably sign him.
You know it may sound crazy, but if it comes down to spec. teams, Patten doesn't play on em & his salary is more. I would hope he isn't cut, but if it made financial sense he may be as likely as TJ once its time to trim the roster.

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damn, I thought this thread was about a pimpin' casio calculator watch personally signed by TJ.

He'll have plenty of time to sign watches as he'll be in the first round of cuts

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They'd keep Thrash over him based on ST value alone. I know we preach quality depth for all positions, but the key word here is QUALITY.

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He must have monster upside, a great work ethic and a crazy good personality because I can't figure out why he is still here.

Coaches and Gibbs see something, I think they really like his physical tools and they are waiting for him to catch up mentally.

I say he will stay.

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I think someone is liking Taylor's "phyiscal tool" a little too much since he's STILL AROUND.

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I think Jacobs spot is less about him vs. Thrash, and more about whether Patten gets traded. I found it to be peculiar that Saunders would go out of his way to praise a veteran #4 WR, unless it was to boost his value.

So, if during camp there is an offer for Patten, Jacobs is in better shape. If not, I'd say he's 25% max.

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I don't think we'd get anything of value for Patten though. I have a feeling Patten will be a huge factor for us this year, Henry Ellard style.

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I would second that. I don't think Patten has any value for what he makes currently. I feel that James Thrash has more value to our team then either Jacobs or Patten.

I havent given up on Patten though, and Ive completely given up on Jacobs. I know he would have lost his job in my company by now. Patten has had one injury interrupted year. I give him another go, and then see ya.

But I love James, his value to dollar ratio is through the roof.

25% chance he's gone, and I feel that he needs to be gone.

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I voted what I think will happen, as opposed to what I HOPE will happen.

50/50. But I hope it's zero.

Stranger things have happened though. What we see and what the coaches see can be different things. Remember keeping Donovan Greer over Lloyd Harrison back in the Schottenheimer days? All Greer did was get toasted throughout preseason, while Harrison returned interceptions for touchdowns. Guess who got the axe?

Gibbs weighed Jacobs' performance to Darnerian McCants' and somehow, Jacobs survived. You just never know.

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Jacobs will be on the team if: we keep 6 WRs which I highly doubt, OR if someone gets injured.

Otherwise I just don't see him staying over Thrash who is a coaching staff favorite and a quality teams guy, or Patten who is a proven vet.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]I don't think we'd get anything of value for Patten though. I have a feeling Patten will be a huge factor for us this year, Henry Ellard style.[/quote]

I said something similar in another thread, that I think he could make some big catches on 3rd down.But he doesn't play spec. teams, so it [B]could[/B] make sense to cut him.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]damn, I thought this thread was about a pimpin' casio calculator watch personally signed by TJ.

He'll have plenty of time to sign watches as he'll be in the first round of cuts[/QUOTE]


So, are you in the minority who says TJ only has a 25% chance of staying?

I agree with those who say 50/50, and if we carry six WRs.

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i dont like thrash or jacobs, but if one has to stay, it will be thrash. decent on special teams and a church going veteran

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[QUOTE=backrow]So, are you in the minority who says TJ only has a 25% chance of staying?

I agree with those who say 50/50, and if we carry six WRs.[/QUOTE]

Yup 25%, because you know what?...

Training Camp 2006 Ataveus Cash Bandwagon...All Aboard!

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As a WR...goner for sure.

As a Special Teams player....I'll give him "unlikely" to "so-so".

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I'm pretty much in the minority here. I gave TJ a 75% chance of making the squad.

I think that you have to factor in people getting nicked up during camp or preseason. Which doesn't exclude Jacobs given his history of consistently getting banged up.

Secondly, I don't think you can discount Gibbs' loyalty.
While I don't think that Gibbs favors individuals, per se, I do think he favors character and other intangibles. And according to many inside Redskins Park, Jacobs has at least those things in his favor. I guess we'll see, but if this guy shows up a little bit he'll be on this squad.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I'm pretty much in the minority here. I gave TJ a 75% chance of making the squad.

I think that you have to factor in people getting nicked up during camp or preseason. Which doesn't exclude Jacobs given his history of consistently getting banged up.

Secondly, I don't think you can discount Gibbs' loyalty.
While I don't think that Gibbs favors individuals, per se, I do think he favors character and other intangibles. And according to many inside Redskins Park, Jacobs has at least those things in his favor. I guess we'll see, but if this guy shows up a little bit he'll be on this squad.[/QUOTE]

Here's the thing though. Maybe TJ does have character but that doesn't separate him from the other guys he's competing with for that 4th or 5th WR spot. He's not going up against a bunch of talented a-holes.

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[quote=TAFKAS]Here's the thing though. Maybe TJ does have character but that doesn't separate him from the other guys he's competing with for that 4th or 5th WR spot. He's not going up against a bunch of talented a-holes.[/quote]

That's why I said if this guy steps up a little bit. I really think it's his spot to lose....again. (by a little bit, I really didn't mean it litterally:)

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he should be gone already but they will probably keep him around til the last second in case of an injury during camp and he also didn't do to bad on special teams.

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I don't think there is any way in hell that Joe Gibbs keeps him at this point in his career. We have 4 receivers now capable of running routes and getting open against DBs who run a 4.3. Our 5th WR absolutely has to bring value to Special Teams, otherwise it's a wasted roster spot. Thrash is much more valuable on teams.

I'm shocked that more people don't think he's a goner for sure. No way in hell he's a 'Skin in 2006.

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I voted 75% only because I think we'll keep 6 receivers.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]I voted 75% only because I think we'll keep 6 receivers.[/quote]

At the expense of what position? Linebacker? DB? FB/TE?

I don't think so. If you keep 6 WRs you'll be forced to drop a spot at LB, DB, or FB/TE that you were carrying last year. I'm not sure where Gibbs would be willing to sacrifice.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan]I voted 75% only because I think we'll keep 6 receivers.[/QUOTE]

On a Joe Gibbs coached team? There's not a chance in hell they keep 6 wideouts. To have that many, means that you keep one less offensive lineman, tight end, you name it, off the roster every game. For a team that's expected to use 2 or 3 wideouts at most through most of any game, plus have enough room on the active roster to use Cooley, Fauria, a backup running back and full back -- not to mention a defensive coach that depends on multiple defensive backs -- there's just not enough room for 6 WRs.

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If I were to make a prediction, it would be that TJ will look great for about 10 minutes on the first day of training camp, and then he'll blow out his hamstring or pull an abdominal muscle and not do anything for several weeks. Then he will finally be cut and we can all stop wondering whether or not this guy is a bust. He is, IMO. I'm saying he's got zero chance, a goner for sure. I don't see the Skins keeping 6 WRs and he probably won't be able to take advantage of fortuitous injuries -- because if a Redskins WR is going to get injured in camp, my money's on TJ being that guy. Plus he reminds me of the bad old days of Spurrier and his so-not-ready-for-the-NFL Gators ... so long, kimosabe.

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[quote=Ghost] ... so long, kimosabe.[/quote]

I've always wondered how to spell kimosabe:)

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I gave him a 75% as well, I just don't feel that anyone outside the skins knows for sure what he's capable of, he is now going to get a crack in not only a real NFL offense but what will become a great NFL offense, the verdict will be out after this season.

TJ is a pretty good specials guy himself but we know Thrash is one of the best on coverage teams, as well as being one of Gibbs's favorite guy's, but I do believe TJ's reciveing skills are far an above Thrash's, I like TJ's chances but it's not a slam dunk, he has a lot to prove right now, but what can't be ingnored are the comments by his peers, such as Bailey, who stated that TJ is maybe the toughest player he had to cover, and Portis who has said TJ is the best player in the NFL to never see the field. Those are very strong and bold comments, there has to be something with this guy to make players say that, I just don't think his talent has been utilized yet.

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As most everyone here knows, I was a BIG believer in Jacobs's potential. But his consistent underachievement as a WR when the live bullets start flying, combined with his penchant for injury, have made him a huge disappointment in my eyes.

However, that doesn't mean he's a sure bet to be cut. He does have some things working in his favor. As others have mentioned, the guy possesses all the intangible qualities that Gibbs looks for in a player, he's got some special teams value, and he's always been one of the most consistent, hard-working players in practice (when he's not injured, that is).

That's why I'd put his chances of making the final roster at 50-50.

Some other reasons Jacobs could make it:[LIST][*]Patten, like McCants before him, is not a special teams contributor, and therefore if he does not supplant Lloyd or Randle-El among the top 3 wideouts, he would most certainly be on the bubble, as the 4th, 5th and 6th (if they keep that many) receivers are expected to be solid special teamers. Essentially, if you're not a top 3 wideout on this roster, you'd better be a top 11 special teamer.[*]Jacobs is significantly younger than Patten or Thrash, and therefore still has a trace of upside[*]Jacobs has a lower salary cap value than both Thrash and Patten[*]While the cap hit for releasing Patten would be pretty significant, the hit for releasing Thrash would be slightly less than the hit the team would incur for cutting Jacobs, so releasing Thrash would make more financial sense[/LIST]
But I also have a very hard time seeing Gibbs part with Thrash, so realistically I would put Jacobs's chances at a little less than 50-50-- maybe more in the realm of 40% that he stays. Though if he misses anything more than a day or two of training camp due to injury, I'd say he's a goner for sure. He's got to be the iron man of training camp to make the roster, and he's got to show he's a better value than Thrash.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I've always wondered how to spell kimosabe:)[/QUOTE]

Hopefully I didn't date myself by using a Lone Ranger reference.

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[quote=Ghost]Hopefully I didn't date myself by using a Lone Ranger reference.[/quote]

Actually your screen name is probably dating you more!!

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25%... ade made it two year in a row after he was a gauranteed cut and turned out to be somewhat useful, so there are no locks.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Actually your screen name is probably dating you more!![/QUOTE]


OK, now that's funny!:rofl:

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[quote=Beemnseven]On a Joe Gibbs coached team? There's not a chance in hell they keep 6 wideouts. To have that many, means that you keep one less offensive lineman, tight end, you name it, off the roster every game. For a team that's expected to use 2 or 3 wideouts at most through most of any game, plus have enough room on the active roster to use Cooley, Fauria, a backup running back and full back -- not to mention a defensive coach that depends on multiple defensive backs -- there's just not enough room for 6 WRs.[/quote]

You and Schneed are both right. Not really sure what I was thinking when I typed that response. Mathematically it felt like I had worked it out, but probably because I don't want to cut either Thrash for his ST skills or Jacobs because I cringe to think he'll do for another team what we've expected him to do here.

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[quote=TAFKAS]damn, I thought this thread was about a pimpin' casio calculator watch personally signed by TJ.

He'll have plenty of time to sign watches as he'll be in the first round of cuts[/quote]

First it was Patten now its Jacobs...............:doh:

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I think if it's between him and thrash he'll win. I like Thrash Marty should have never let him go to the Eagles. Last year thrash was slow. On the same token Jacobs was thowing up dueing the seahwks game. I still don't know if he makes it. I would take a gamble onan unproven rookie before I sign them. Time for new blood unless Jacobs shows what he got.

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[QUOTE=BMF21]First it was Patten now its Jacobs...............:doh:[/QUOTE]

Why'd you quote me there? By the way, I've decided I'm going to start charging royalties for having my posts quoted.

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I would have to say 50 50. I am getting tierd of hearing how great the kid is. It's time to see it in a game.

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With Patten's good attitude and Thrash at least proving in his career he could halfway produce, I see him gone...100% GONE!