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SmootSmack 08-01-2006 08:08 PM

Big Game Coaches
 
Interesting read. Actually, not much to it but hey, they like Gibbs!

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dmek25 08-02-2006 08:00 AM

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of all the writers writing negatives about the skins, they all speak highly of coach gibbs.

Monk-Fan 08-02-2006 08:10 AM

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One thing they forgot to include in their formula is the thing that matters most, the rings that Coach Gibbs has compared to Fox and Billick. And the fact that he did it with 3 different quarterbacks. Oh well at least we now the truth.

TheInspector 08-02-2006 08:48 AM

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That coach ranking is bullshit. Gibbs has a higher regular season winning percentage and post season winning percentage (plus more SBs), and they rank him LOWER than Fox and Billick? What a f'ing crock of shit. Whoever came up with that formula for ranking the coaches must have been smoking crack.

I know it's about "big games" but who cares if a coach stinks up the regular season but does a little better in the post season? It's all about consistency.

scowan 08-03-2006 11:24 AM

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Of the coaches coaching today, you have to say that other than Gibbs, Belichick is the real deal. Bilick on the other hand had one good Superbowl run in 2000 with the Ravens that "boosts" his playoff record. He won 4 playoff games that year from the Wildcard position to make his playoff record 5-2, otherwise he would be 1-2. John Fox has had a couple of good runs with the Panthers in 2003 from the Wildcard position and last year, but he has yet to win the BIG one. This year could be his year however.

I would take Gibbs and his planning and preperation over all of the guys when it matters, or Bilichick in the playoffs ONLY. Nobody has done it better in the Regular season AND the Playoffs like Gibbs however.

TheInspector 08-03-2006 11:32 AM

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[quote=scowan]Of the coaches coaching today, you have to say that other than Gibbs, Belichick is the real deal. Bilick on the other hand had one good Superbowl run in 2000 with the Ravens that "boosts" his playoff record. He won 4 playoff games that year from the Wildcard position to make his playoff record 5-2, otherwise he would be 1-2. John Fox has had a couple of good runs with the Panthers in 2003 from the Wildcard position and last year, but he has yet to win the BIG one. This year could be his year however.

I would take Gibbs and his planning and preperation over all of the guys when it matters, or Bilichick in the playoffs ONLY. Nobody has done it better in the Regular season AND the Playoffs like Gibbs however.[/quote]

Well said.

irish 08-03-2006 12:22 PM

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[QUOTE=TheInspector]That coach ranking is bullshit. Gibbs has a higher regular season winning percentage and post season winning percentage (plus more SBs), and they rank him LOWER than Fox and Billick? What a f'ing crock of shit. Whoever came up with that formula for ranking the coaches must have been smoking crack.

I know it's about "big games" but who cares if a coach stinks up the regular season but does a little better in the post season? It's all about consistency.[/QUOTE]


I suspect if a coach stinks up the regular season he wont have any post season to do a little better in.

SmootSmack 08-03-2006 12:36 PM

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[QUOTE=scowan]Of the coaches coaching today, you have to say that other than Gibbs, Belichick is the real deal. Bilick on the other hand had one good Superbowl run in 2000 with the Ravens that "boosts" his playoff record. He won 4 playoff games that year from the Wildcard position to make his playoff record 5-2, otherwise he would be 1-2. John Fox has had a couple of good runs with the Panthers in 2003 from the Wildcard position and last year, but he has yet to win the BIG one. This year could be his year however.

I would take Gibbs and his planning and preperation over all of the guys when it matters, or Bilichick in the playoffs ONLY. Nobody has done it better in the Regular season AND the Playoffs like Gibbs however.[/QUOTE]

I'd also add Gibbs' insanely good December record. His teams always finish the season strong.

TheInspector 08-03-2006 01:14 PM

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[quote=irish]I suspect if a coach stinks up the regular season he wont have any post season to do a little better in.[/quote]

Touche.

TheInspector 08-03-2006 01:14 PM

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I think we can all agree: the Lombardi trophy should be renamed to the Gibbs trophy. ;)

scowan 08-03-2006 01:26 PM

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[quote=TheInspector]I think we can all agree: the Lombardi trophy should be renamed to the Gibbs trophy. ;)[/quote]

You can re-name it the Gibbs trophy, if he wins another Superbowl and then leaves the game. And then probably in another 10-15 years.

Just think if the Skins were to win the division this year with a 11-5 record or something like that and then win the Superbowl from the Divisonal round. Gibbs record would go to 155-81 or 0.657 and his playoff record would go to 20-6 a whopping 0.769. Wow! We can only hope, but it is not a streach really. Not to mentioned the fact that he would have won 4 Superbowls with 4 different QBs. Guys like Chuck Noel and Bill Walsh, may have won the same number, but with the same QBs

Beemnseven 08-03-2006 05:46 PM

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[QUOTE=scowan]Of the coaches coaching today, you have to say that other than Gibbs, Belichick is the real deal. Bilick on the other hand had one good Superbowl run in 2000 with the Ravens that "boosts" his playoff record. He won 4 playoff games that year from the Wildcard position to make his playoff record 5-2, otherwise he would be 1-2. John Fox has had a couple of good runs with the Panthers in 2003 from the Wildcard position and last year, but he has yet to win the BIG one. This year could be his year however.

I would take Gibbs and his planning and preperation over all of the guys when it matters, or Bilichick in the playoffs ONLY. Nobody has done it better in the Regular season AND the Playoffs like Gibbs however.[/QUOTE]

It gets said over and over, to the point that people probably stop thinking about it, but Gibbs not only did it with three different quarterbacks, he did it with two of them being named Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Not to take anything away from them, but Williams and Rypien seem pretty much out of contention for the Hall of Fame. Unlike Tom Brady. While Ryp and Doug will have their names in the history books as Super Bowl MVPs, they are not generally regarded as "GREAT" or "LEGENDS" of the game. Again, unlike Tom Brady is likely to be perceived. Gibbs also did it during strike years -- and in '87, one of his replacement teams went against a veteran, NFL pro team that had already returned and still beat them.

Just think, if only they had been up to the task against the Raiders in '83. It's the only real blemish in Gibbs' armor. Had it not been for that game, it would have been Gibbs, not Bill Walsh and the Niners, who most would think of first as the coach and the team of the 80's.

TrustinGibbs 08-03-2006 06:18 PM

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WHEN (not IF)Gibbs wins another Super Bowl he's got to jump to number one on the All-Time list of Head Coaches. Others guys won 4 but none will have won the last one 20+ years after his first one with 4 different QB's, AFTER being elected to the HOF in a completely different era...When he wins the next one he goes from one of the all time greats to the top of the heap IMO.

Course I'm biased.

That Guy 08-03-2006 06:35 PM

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HCFF has some logic errors in some of their stat munching... like the fact that their draft "fillability" thing totally disregards free agent signings. the skins get a D becuase they didn't draft a WR, even though we signed 2 that are just as good as those that went in the 1st and 2nd rounds. The cards got a D for drafting a QB cause they already have a 36year old, injury prone guy that hasn't finished a full season sitting behind one of the worst O lines in football. I mean, wtf?

SmootSmack 08-03-2006 07:22 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]It gets said over and over, to the point that people probably stop thinking about it, but Gibbs not only did it with three different quarterbacks, he did it with two of them being named Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Not to take anything away from them, but Williams and Rypien seem pretty much out of contention for the Hall of Fame. Unlike Tom Brady. While Ryp and Doug will have their names in the history books as Super Bowl MVPs, they are not generally regarded as "GREAT" or "LEGENDS" of the game. Again, unlike Tom Brady is likely to be perceived. Gibbs also did it during strike years -- and in '87, one of his replacement teams went against a veteran, NFL pro team that had already returned and still beat them.

Just think, if only they had been up to the task against the Raiders in '83. It's the only real blemish in Gibbs' armor. Had it not been for that game, it would have been Gibbs, not Bill Walsh and the Niners, who most would think of first as the coach and the team of the 80's.[/QUOTE]

Not just three different QBs but three different RBs as well and only Riggo is a Hall of Famer.


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