Coaching Issue (I Hate to say it)
 

First of all I spent the last few months proclaiming my faith in Gibbs and telling everyone that would listen that we don't need a pro bowl quarterback in Gibbs' system.

I think part of the problem is Gibbs built the roster around his system, then he gave Saunders all the play calls. It looks like Saunders is not on the same page as Gibbs. He seems to be calling plays for a different team.

A good example is that Randel EL and Lloyd were supposed take the pressure off of Moss. This only works if you have all three on the field.

If Saunders is going to keep calling the plays, we need a play maker as quarterback, and that is not Brunell. If Gibbs takes the play calling over we can still use Brunell. One or the other has to change.

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i say...we concede the season and start fresh next year....

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OK.

Bring back Spurrier!

Jeff George is sitting at home right now (the Raiders came to their senses)!

Call Ricky Ervins!

Where's Leslie Sheppard? Albert Connell? Skip Hicks!?!?!?

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Which one was it Leslie Sheppard or Albert Connell, that had the sticky fingers? One of them was caught stealing out of other players lockers, like nfl players dont make enought already.

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;217864]Which one was it Leslie Sheppard or Albert Connell, that had the sticky fingers? One of them was caught stealing out of other players lockers, like nfl players dont make enought already.[/QUOTE]

Albert "the Playmaker" Connell

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Yeah, Sheppard was the guy who was all legs, no hands. Fast but couldn't catch.

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[quote=Butzfan;217855]First of all I spent the last few months proclaiming my faith in Gibbs and telling everyone that would listen that we don't need a pro bowl quarterback in Gibbs' system.

I think part of the problem is Gibbs built the roster around his system, then he gave Saunders all the play calls. It looks like Saunders is not on the same page as Gibbs. He seems to be calling plays for a different team.

A good example is that Randel EL and Lloyd were supposed take the pressure off of Moss. This only works if you have all three on the field.

If Saunders is going to keep calling the plays, we need a play maker as quarterback, and that is not Brunell. If Gibbs takes the play calling over we can still use Brunell. One or the other has to change.[/quote] Did Saunders come in before El and Loyd or after? If it was before he had a say in those two picks.

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I also think Saunders could be causing some friction within the coaching staff. My main problem with him is his view that "It's not my system, it's the players". That doesn't seem like the type of coaching attitude that a player would respect. God forbid you adapt to the talent you have at your disposal, you self righteous prick!

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;217886]I also think Saunders could be causing some friction within the coaching staff. My main problem with him is his view that[B] "It's not my system, it's the players".[/B] That doesn't seem like the type of coaching attitude that a player would respect. God forbid you adapt to the talent you have at your disposal, you self righteous prick![/QUOTE]
Did he actually say that?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;217891]Did he actually say that?[/quote]

When asked in preseason about the offensive struggles, he made the comment that his system is proven and the players just aren't executing. When asked about Brunell's struggles, he said the Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl in his first year in the system. Not that I mind him slamming Brunell, but that's still a dumbass comment to make to the media.

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[quote=Southpaw;217897]When asked in preseason about the offensive struggles, he made the comment that his system is proven and the players just aren't executing. [/quote]

Well, I think he's mostly right with that comment...not that he should've said it, but it IS tough to disagree with.

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[quote=Southpaw;217897]When asked in preseason about the offensive struggles, he made the comment that his system is proven and the players just aren't executing. When asked about Brunell's struggles, he said the Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl in his first year in the system. Not that I mind him slamming Brunell, but that's still a dumbass comment to make to the media.[/quote] Do you have a link to these comments? I'm not saying that he did not say them but I would think that we would have heard about these comments in the form of a thread or something like that. Those are not comments you make as a coach about your players that gets swep under the rug. You hear about it from one of the thousands of media sources and it then gets blown up as they ask the players what they think about the comments.

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[quote=firstdown;217901]Do you have a link to these comments? I'm not saying that he did not say them but I would think that we would have heard about these comments in the form of a thread or something like that. Those are not comments you make as a coach about your players that gets swep under the rug. You hear about it from one of the thousands of media sources and it then gets blown up as they ask the players what they think about the comments.[/quote]

I did not hear the comment about the players not executing first hand, but I heard it discussed on the John Riggins Show during the preseason. They didn't make a big deal about it, because they mostly agreed, and said the offense was still learning the huge playbook.

I actually heard the sound bite of the Kurt Warner comment early this week. I'll see if I can find it somewhere.

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Well, he's just pointing out the obvious. His system has a long and successful track record in this league. What did he say that was so bad?

I swear the players and coaches can't win. If they don't say anything they get blasted for not calling people out and covering things up, if they reveal a bit too much they get blasted for calling people out and not covering things up.

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It seems like a combination of coaching and player adaptibility that is wrong here. Saunders is sure of his stand-in-the-pocket/timing based offensive philosophy because he has enjoyed great success. Brunell has been a scrambling, play-making QB that enjoyed one of his best seasons last year. One or the other is going to have to adjust to the others style in order for this season to go any further.