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NM Redskin 11-30-2006 10:41 AM

Litvinenko
 
Hey, are any of you guys following the Litvinenko poisoning. Litvineko was a former KGB agent who blamed his own Russian government for several bombing in the 90's, to gain support for another war with Chechnya. Its hard to say if the Russians did do it. If not who? It is interesting that Polonium-210 was used, which is said to be rare and only to be available to governments.

SmootSmack 11-30-2006 10:49 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
Have you heard the latest? Apparently former Russian PM Yegor Gaidar has also been poisoned. And remember that reporter that died last month, she was poisoned too right?

You think Putin is behind all this?

NM Redskin 11-30-2006 10:52 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
No, wow I didn’t hear about Gaider. Yeah in Oct a Russian reporter was gunned down in an elevator. Shot 4 times, with a Russian service pistol. She also was a big time critc of the Russian government.

Also I don’t know if Putin was behind it. It seems like since they used such an exotic chemical to poison Litvinenko that whoever did do it is trying smear the Kremlin. But then again Putin could be trying to send a message that you can't get away from the long arm of the Russian government.

cpayne5 11-30-2006 11:15 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
Polonium-210 can be purchased legally on the internet. Though, the amount used to create the toxicity level used to kill Litvinenko would be very expensive.

NM Redskin 11-30-2006 11:27 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
Heres a good article
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/29/MNG86MLSL71.DTL]NEWS ANALYSIS / Russia -- the usual suspected assassin / Kremlin denies links to unsolved murders[/url]

NM Redskin 11-30-2006 11:31 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[QUOTE=cpayne5;253212]Polonium-210 can be purchased legally on the internet. Though, the amount used to create the toxicity level used to kill Litvinenko would be very expensive.[/QUOTE]

Where?? Polonium-210.com?

cpayne5 11-30-2006 11:37 AM

Re: Litvinenko
 
No, here...
[url=http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm]United Nuclear- Radioactive Isotopes[/url]

NM Redskin 11-30-2006 12:02 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[QUOTE=cpayne5;253216]No, here...
[url=http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm]United Nuclear- Radioactive Isotopes[/url][/QUOTE]

Interesting, but like the site said you would need a million dollars worth and I bet they couldn't even fill the 15,000 order. Plus the website would be wary if anyone ordered that many and there would be some sort of trail from the transaction. I think that site only proves that either someone real rich (maybe russian mafia) or some government had to do with it.

cpayne5 11-30-2006 12:11 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[quote=NM Redskin;253225]Interesting, but like the site said you would need a million dollars worth and I bet they couldn't even fill the 15,000 order. Plus the website would be wary if anyone ordered that many and there would be some sort of trail from the transaction. I think that site only proves that either someone real rich (maybe russian mafia) or some government had to do with it.[/quote]

I posted the evidence of it being widely (legally) available to debunk the myth that is very scarce. It's not.

I believe the people responsible for the death are either 1) Russia or 2) a group trying to make it look like Russia did it.

dmek25 11-30-2006 12:27 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[quote=cpayne5;253216]No, here...
[URL="http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm"]United Nuclear- Radioactive Isotopes[/URL][/quote]
is there any thing that cant be purchased online? and it is looking bad for putin

SmootSmack 11-30-2006 01:05 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
I get my polonium from the Libyans....no wait, sorry that's plutonium

GhettoDogAllStars 11-30-2006 01:35 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
I work with a guy who lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union. I have talked extensively with him about what it was like during those times, and apparently it was terrible -- total anarchy (hmmm, go figure).

Anyways, at the time of the collapse, the soviet government had LOTS of money. However, when the gov't collapses, who does the money go to? Well, the answer is whoever can get it first. So, the gov't collapses, and you have some people in the right place at the right time, who "cash in" on their opportunity to take the money that used to belong to the soviet gov't. The smart ones took that money, and bought the previously state-run businesses. So now you have some people who got lots of money, and are on their way to making a whole lot more through their newly purchased businesses.

Things were pretty good for these guys, until the gov't re-stabilized. Then, you have the new gov't who wants to control things. Well, some of these guys cooperate, and some don't. The guys who cooperate are still there, and still own their businesses. The guys who don't cooperate either flee the country or are arrested (remember Yukos?).

So, you have some people who had to flee, and are incredibly rich (many billions). These guys have personal vendettas against the Russian gov't (and Putin), and are living in other countries with political asylum. Presumably, these guys are always looking for ways to get even (they have been said to try to start revolutions, etc.).

Knowing these guys exist, it's hard to imagine that there's anything they CAN'T do with all that money. It is quite possible that some of these guys do things to de-stabilize the gov't and then even blame the gov't for doing them (double-whammy).

I just thought this was interesting, and wanted to share.

dmek25 11-30-2006 01:57 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
that is interesting. thanks

SmootSmack 11-30-2006 02:50 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;253269]I work with a guy who lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union. I have talked extensively with him about what it was like during those times, and apparently it was terrible -- total anarchy (hmmm, go figure).

Anyways, at the time of the collapse, the soviet government had LOTS of money. However, when the gov't collapses, who does the money go to? Well, the answer is whoever can get it first. So, the gov't collapses, and you have some people in the right place at the right time, who "cash in" on their opportunity to take the money that used to belong to the soviet gov't. The smart ones took that money, and bought the previously state-run businesses. So now you have some people who got lots of money, and are on their way to making a whole lot more through their newly purchased businesses.

Things were pretty good for these guys, until the gov't re-stabilized. Then, you have the new gov't who wants to control things. Well, some of these guys cooperate, and some don't. The guys who cooperate are still there, and still own their businesses. The guys who don't cooperate either flee the country or are arrested (remember Yukos?).

So, you have some people who had to flee, and are incredibly rich (many billions). These guys have personal vendettas against the Russian gov't (and Putin), and are living in other countries with political asylum. Presumably, these guys are always looking for ways to get even (they have been said to try to start revolutions, etc.).

Knowing these guys exist, it's hard to imagine that there's anything they CAN'T do with all that money. It is quite possible that some of these guys do things to de-stabilize the gov't and then even blame the gov't for doing them (double-whammy).

I just thought this was interesting, and wanted to share.[/QUOTE]

Very interesting. For those of us old enough to remember, wasn't the collapse of the Soviet Union one of the most incredible events in history? I mean when I was a kid it was all about the US vs. USSR, cold war, nuclear war, etc. Then suddenly the USSR doesn't even exist. I never thought such a thing was even possible.

On a much, much smaller scale it'd be like if one day we wake up and read that the Dallas Cowboys have folded. They were just no more all of a sudden.

JoeRedskin 11-30-2006 03:00 PM

Re: Litvinenko
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS;253255]I get my polonium from the Libyans....no wait, sorry that's plutonium[/QUOTE]

Way to go Marty


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