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Bill B 01-12-2007 02:58 PM

What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
If we do trade the 6th pick in the draft here is the chart of what to expect to in return. As an example I have seen some say we trade down number 6 to 10, With that we would get the 10th pick plus we should expect no lower than pick #60 in the draft (2nd round pick) because the difference between the 2 picks is worth 300 points and this is the value of pick #60.

[url=http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm]NFL Draft Point Value Chart[/url]

So anything lower than the 60th pick would not be in the Redskins favor for the trade scenario above (so getting a 3rd round pick for trading from #6 to #10 would not be a good deal for the Skins) - we would need to have a 2nd round pick to do a deal like this.

freddyg12 01-12-2007 03:15 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
good post bill. Regardless of the chart, I think moving to #10 & a 3rd would be a steal, plus we pay a llittle less for the signing bonus of the 10 pick.
There are a lot of quality guys coming out early. That's good news for us, as many of the teams before us will pick qb's or wr's, which we don't need. Even trading down to 10, we should have the choice of a few good DE's,CBs &DTs.

Schneed10 01-12-2007 03:17 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[quote=Bill B;269689]If we do trade the 6th pick in the draft here is the chart of what to expect to in return. As an example I have seen some say we trade down number 6 to 10, With that we would get the 10th pick plus we should expect no lower than pick #60 in the draft (2nd round pick) because the difference between the 2 picks is worth 300 points and this is the value of pick #60.

[URL="http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm"]NFL Draft Point Value Chart[/URL]

So anything lower than the 60th pick would not be in the Redskins favor for the trade scenario above (so getting a 3rd round pick for trading from #6 to #10 would not be a good deal for the Skins) - we would need to have a 2nd round pick to do a deal like this.[/quote]

Good piece of information to refer to. Though we should note that teams are not total sticklers to the point values. The Redskins, if trading down to 10, would likely accept a high 3rd rounder (such as the Falcons' 10th in the 3rd round) because the point values would be pretty close.

A team's motivation to trade down is always based around what player it thinks it can draft. The point values are great for general reference, but if the Redskins think they have a gem that would be there in the mid-high third round, they'd gladly accept the trade down.

The point values are approximations, and ultimately, the actual value a team gets out of a draft day trade depends upon what the players turn out like.

firstdown 01-12-2007 03:35 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
You can throw out the point system if you have a player still there that another team really wants as in the JC deal. If a team gives us a call with an interest of trading picks then we know that there is a player that they want and they think another team behind us may want. Thats when we can demand more for the trade. If we go searching because we can trade down and still get our target player then the deal falls to the other team. Its just how the cards fall.

Beemnseven 01-12-2007 04:05 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
Previous 3rd round picks...

2006 -- no pick
2005 -- no pick
2004 -- Chris Cooley (trade up)
2003 -- Derrick Dockery
2002 -- Cliff Russell, Rashad Bauman
2001 -- no pick
2000 -- Lloyd Harrison

There's some good value there, a couple of hits, though Cooley was a 2-for-1 deal. Russell, Bauman, and Harrison were the misses under this front office.

Our problems in the third round though, are a lack of third round picks.

dall-assblows 01-12-2007 04:11 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
worth 1 million dollars

wilsowilso 01-12-2007 04:16 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
There is absolutely no reason to trade down from #6 without getting a second round pick IMO. We might have to move to #12 0r #13 to do it but I would rather keep the pick if we are talking about a third round pick.

SouperMeister 01-12-2007 04:39 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[quote=wilsowilso;269732]There is absolutely no reason to trade down from #6 without getting a second round pick IMO. We might have to move to #12 0r #13 to do it but I would rather keep the pick if we are talking about a third round pick.[/quote]
You never know what another FO might give up if they're enamored with a player still available at our spot. Mike Ditka gave us all of the Saints draft choices (including #7 overall) just to move up to #5 overall to draft Ricky Williams. The beauty of that trade is that Casserly selected the player we wanted anyway - Champ Bailey. Trading down is a no brainer IF we still get the guy we wanted at our original slot.

diehardskin2982 01-12-2007 04:46 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
If alan branch is available we have to take him at 6

Bill B 01-12-2007 04:47 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[quote=SouperMeister;269738]You never know what another FO might give up if they're enamored with a player still available at our spot. Mike Ditka gave us all of the Saints draft choices (including #7 overall) just to move up to #5 overall to draft Ricky Williams. The beauty of that trade is that Casserly selected the player we wanted anyway - Champ Bailey. Trading down is a no brainer IF we still get the guy we wanted at our original slot.[/quote]


I just hope we get another sucker to take the bait like Ditka did. Unfortunately the Detriot Lions pick ahead of us at number 2 so take Matt Millen off the board

Bill B 01-12-2007 04:49 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[quote=diehardskin2982;269740]If alan branch is available we have to take him at 6[/quote]

But lets say the Cleveland Browns who desperately need a nost tackle for their 3-4 defense come to you and offer a lot of picks -- I know Branch would help us but if a deal like the Saints for Ricky Williams comes along you got to take it.

Schneed10 01-12-2007 04:56 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[quote=SouperMeister;269738]You never know what another FO might give up if they're enamored with a player still available at our spot. Mike Ditka gave us all of the Saints draft choices (including #7 overall) just to move up to #5 overall to draft Ricky Williams. The beauty of that trade is that Casserly selected the player we wanted anyway - Champ Bailey. Trading down is a no brainer IF we still get the guy we wanted at our original slot.[/quote]

Actually Ditka gave us the 12th overall pick, and the rest of his draft, to slide up to number 5. We then traded a good portion of what Ditka gave us, and the #12, to the Bears so we could slide up and take Champ Bailey at #7. The Bears then took Cade McCown at #12 (LOL).

But that little history lesson is neither here nor there in this discussion. Point being, yeah if someone really loves a certain player, they just might throw the world at you.

Best thing we can hope for is Calvin Johnson falls to us. I doubt that would happen, but if it did, I'd imagine a team or two would be willing to offer us the moon.

firstdown 01-12-2007 05:32 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
The best thing for me is I do not really follow college football so who ever they pick seems good to me. Now yes I do know who the Vicks, Bush's, Youngs, but after those type names I have no clue.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 01-12-2007 05:34 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
I would be very happy to trade all the way down to the Jets' 26th pick. The trade chart suggests that if we traded down from thr 6th pick to the 26th pick, we would also get the Jets 2 second picks. I would much prefer to have 3 picks in the first two rounds than one very high pick. I think this is a very plausible trade scenario if Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson declares for the draft. Peterson would likely be available with the 6th pick and the Jets need a back in a big way.

diehardskin2982 01-12-2007 05:39 PM

Re: What the 6th Pick is worth.....
 
[QUOTE=Bill B;269743]But lets say the Cleveland Browns who desperately need a nost tackle for their 3-4 defense come to you and offer a lot of picks -- I know Branch would help us but if a deal like the Saints for Ricky Williams comes along you got to take it.[/QUOTE]

1st ~deals like that come once in a lifetime and everyone knows this pick has to count for the skins. secondly browns pick before us so.... But i see ur point
I think teams would move up for a chance at Calvin branch and if that was to occur it would be with the likes of Atlanta


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