Jets tried to trade for Betts
 

The Jets have tried to acquire Redskins running back Ladell Betts in a trade but a potential deal fell through, according to someone with knowledge of the discussions between the teams. The person requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of trade talks.

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If it's the Vilma deal that JLC tried to put to rest, I'm glad it fell through.

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Of course I think the Skins have to at least listen to offers for Betts, but if I were them I'd be very reluctant to trade him away unless it's an incredible offer. He proved to be very valuable last year and you just have to look at the teams in the Super Bowl this year to see how important it's become to have two capable RBs.

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[quote=Mattyk72;282442]Of course I think the Skins have to at least listen to offers for Betts, but if I were them I'd be very reluctant to trade him away unless it's an incredible offer. He proved to be very valuable last year and you just have to look at the teams in the Super Bowl this year to see how important it's become to have two capable RBs.[/quote]
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[quote=Mattyk72;282442]Of course I think the Skins have to at least listen to offers for Betts, but if I were them I'd be very reluctant to trade him away unless it's an incredible offer. He proved to be very valuable last year and you just have to look at the teams in the Super Bowl this year to see how important it's become to have two capable RBs.[/quote]Not only on a seasonal level, but [U]run first[/U] teams have to use multiple backs if they want to sustain success over a long period of time. If a guy gets too many carries in a season (remember Jamal Lewis, Jamaal Anderson, or Shaun Alexander), theres a high probability that he's either going to break down or that his production will be slashed.

I'm actually going to take this a step further. I have noticed a uncannity ability for Clinton Portis to fall foward and absorb the hit of the ground on his shoulders. He also has mentioned having very sore shoulders after games. I'm pretty sure he's developed this tendency to lighten the beating his knees take and prolong his career. Seems like a great idea in theory. But is it really surprising that after the long offseason layoff, that the first time he ended up being forced to use his arms to make a forceful tackle, he suffered a shoulder seperation and torn labrum? Isn't it possible that this was the result of many years of getting his shoulder area beat to a pulp every Sunday, particularly in 2005?

Maybe that injury wasn't as much a function of luck as we all thought it was. Perhaps it could have been avoided by lightening his load of carries in that 2005 season.

So the key for 2007 is to use our great RB depth to keep Portis from consistently breaking the 20 carry mark while still allowing this team to run 30-35 times a game.


I guess the bottom line is to let somebody else gobble up Larry Johnson in fantasy drafts next season.

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Don't you mean "NJ.com: Jets tried to trade for Betts"...haha

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Portis has a history of shoulder issues, now he's had both shoulders cut on. Despite not being a big guy he plays big, so he's bound to get banged up.

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I am much happier with a 17-20 carry Portis and a 12-15 carry Betts than a 25-30 carry Portis and a 5-7 carry Rock/whoever. Someone is gonna need to drop some serious bling for me to advocate trading Betts. I'd almost take only a high 2nd and a 4th if not a 1st. Sounds like a lot but he seems that invaluable to us right now.

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[quote=FRPLG;282462]I am much happier with a 17-20 carry Portis and a 12-15 carry Betts than a 25-30 carry Portis and a 5-7 carry Rock/whoever. Someone is gonna need to drop some serious bling for me to advocate trading Betts. I'd almost take only a high 2nd and a 4th if not a 1st. Sounds like a lot but he seems that invaluable to us right now.[/quote]
Yeah since our D is still in rebound mode we are gonna need to be able to put up a ton of points. And since JC is still developing I think the brunt of the work should fall upon the backs. If CP takes all the load its gonna be like last year for him. It should be like a 3:2 split in carrying the load. maybe 3.5:2.

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I'd be happy with the 2nd round pick they're holding that originally belonged to us.

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[quote=GTripp0012;282455]Not only on a seasonal level, but [U]run first[/U] teams have to use multiple backs if they want to sustain success over a long period of time. If a guy gets too many carries in a season (remember Jamal Lewis, Jamaal Anderson, or Shaun Alexander), theres a high probability that he's either going to break down or that his production will be slashed.

I'm actually going to take this a step further. I have noticed a uncannity ability for Clinton Portis to fall foward and absorb the hit of the ground on his shoulders. He also has mentioned having very sore shoulders after games. I'm pretty sure he's developed this tendency to lighten the beating his knees take and prolong his career. Seems like a great idea in theory. But is it really surprising that after the long offseason layoff, that the first time he ended up being forced to use his arms to make a forceful tackle, he suffered a shoulder seperation and torn labrum? Isn't it possible that this was the result of many years of getting his shoulder area beat to a pulp every Sunday, particularly in 2005?

Maybe that injury wasn't as much a function of luck as we all thought it was. Perhaps it could have been avoided by lightening his load of carries in that 2005 season.

So the key for 2007 is to use our great RB depth to keep Portis from consistently breaking the 20 carry mark while still allowing this team to run 30-35 times a game.


I guess the bottom line is to let somebody else gobble up Larry Johnson in fantasy drafts next season.[/quote]

Very good point, Gtripp, I hadn't really thought about it but in retrospect he does hit the ground hard on his shoulders, neck or back at the first point of impact. I guess this is a good plan in the long run b/c if u had to pick one joint to have for longevity, the knees are the most critical for the running back. I think he should consult a sports equipment manufacturer about finding him some specialized pads that will cushion his shoulders a little better without adding too much weight.

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makes you wonder what the plans are if they are listening to trade offers for betts. with portis, and Joes paranoya of having a #1 backup. Do you think they are inclined to offer Ducket some kind of deal to stay at a #2. Knowing he will get 10 to 13 carries a game and definately a lot of touches around the goal line?

that is if they were to trade Betts. I doubt they would go into the season with Rock as the only backup to portis. Sellers isn't going to be used like that, I dont think.

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Gibbs <3 Betts

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[quote=Mattyk72;282442]Of course I think the Skins have to at least listen to offers for Betts, but if I were them I'd be very reluctant to trade him away unless it's an incredible offer. He proved to be very valuable last year and you just have to look at the teams in the Super Bowl this year to see how important it's become to have two capable RBs.[/quote]
I totally agree. Not to mention both Portis and Betts have a bad habit of getting nicked up during a season, it's essential to have them both. I'd like to see Vilma, but not at the expense of such a potentially important player. I know everyone loves first round picks, but if we traded it for Vilma, I wouldn't mind.

~Bang

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[QUOTE=BangCartoon;282535]I totally agree. Not to mention both Portis and Betts have a bad habit of getting nicked up during a season, it's essential to have them both. I'd like to see Vilma, but not at the expense of such a potentially important player. I know everyone loves first round picks, but if we traded it for Vilma, I wouldn't mind.

~Bang[/QUOTE]

Yeah a Vilma for the 1st would be solid. We need line help but the risk of a bust DLineman is far outweighed by the sure thing of a very good LB. I doubt the Jets would make that trade though.