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Dirtbag59 03-06-2007 04:29 PM

Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
The reason I ask is that there seems to be a lot of talk about the Redskins and Broncos swapping picks. So lets look at the facts

- The Redskins FO has mentioned that they would like to trade down.
- The Broncos want a DE and just lost out on the Patrick Kerney sweepstakes to Seatle
- The Broncos really want to trade up and I believe they have 4 first day picks so they definately have ammo.
- It is possible that Gaines Adams and/or Jamaal Anderson will be available with the 6th overall pick
- It should take cost the Broncos a late first and late second to move up into the top 10.
- Dre Bly wants to go to Washington and Shawn Springs wants to go to Denver.
- Washington and Denver can't go a year without trading players because if they don't trade the universe will implode

Personally I was thinking that drafting Charles Johnson would be a good idea with the 21st pick. A LE thats capable of rushing the passer and plays well against the run.

However I have no idea who they would take with the 42nd pick. I would love it if a guy like Arron Sears (OG Tennesee) or Mike Griffin (S Texas) was available but I highly doubt it.

Keep in mind this thread is based on a hypothetical scenario (but also a very real possibility) so with that said what do you guys think?

drew54 03-06-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
Personally I think we will trade the # 6 to some team who is wanting to draft Brady Quinn. Or the outside chance that Russell falls to 6, but I doubt the Raiders will take Quinn.

I figure we might have offers draft day from Miami, Houston, and Minnesota to move up and secure Quinn. Hopefully by falling back 1-3 places we can pick up a third rounder or more.

Didn't Baltimore trade a #2 to move up 1-2 spots a few years ago?

wilsowilso 03-06-2007 04:46 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
The 42nd pick is not nearly enough to move from 6 to 21. Check out a draft value chart online. We could get a second rounder by trading back to the number 12 or 13 or at most 15 spot.

FRPLG 03-06-2007 04:50 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
I want some serious bling for that 6 pick. A top 6 or 7 pick has a good chanc to be dominate. A pro bowler. After that it really becomes a serious crap shoot. We'll be able to get a stud at 6. We need some serious payolla for that pick to me.

GTripp0012 03-06-2007 04:53 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
IMO after Okoye and Branch, there are no DTs worth having. SO if we trade down, we should be careful to land in a spot where we can still land one of them.

The DE I want is Carriker. We can get him in the mid first round and he would be a great asset for us at LE. I'm not sure I'd pass on either Okoye or Branch to get him.

I DON'T want a pass rushing specialist end. I'd like one more season of data on Carter BEFORE we make a move to replace him. I don't want Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Give me Okoye, Branch, or Carriker.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-06-2007 04:54 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
I think both Okoye and Carriker could be had with some shrewd moves by the office during the draft.

redskin37 03-06-2007 05:03 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
I think the best we can hope for is Quinn to still be there at 6 . Get two or three teams trying to out bid each other to move up. Who knows what might be offered.

Schneed10 03-06-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=wilsowilso;285017]The 42nd pick is not nearly enough to move from 6 to 21. Check out a draft value chart online. We could get a second rounder by trading back to the number 12 or 13 or at most 15 spot.[/quote]

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

wilsowilso 03-06-2007 05:08 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=redskin37;285028]I think the best we can hope for is Quinn to still be there at 6 . Get two or three teams trying to out bid each other to move up. Who knows what might be offered.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure either Quinn or more likely Peterson will fall. Adrian Peterson is amazing and there are a few teams that might really want him. Quinn would be the best because there are like a whole bunch of teams that want and need him.

Mattyk 03-06-2007 05:11 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=Schneed10;285031]The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

I'd take that deal no problem

wilsowilso 03-06-2007 05:11 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=Schneed10;285031]The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Oh that makes more sense. Not sure if I like it, but as long as we can get something like a second for Springs it could work. This whole Springs thing is getting kind of ugly.

Schneed10 03-06-2007 05:13 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=wilsowilso;285036]Oh that makes more sense. Not sure if I like it, but as long as we can get something like a second for Springs it could work. This whole Springs thing is getting kind of ugly.[/quote]

Even a 3rd for him would be fine by me. Springs is getting older. A 3rd rounder would net us a pretty good LG who'd be cheap and, of course, very young.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-06-2007 05:15 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
With the way that OG depth is this year, some of the more elite prospects could be had in the third.

Eight in the Box 03-06-2007 05:22 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
[quote=GTripp0012;285022] I DON'T want a pass rushing specialist end. I'd like one more season of data on Carter BEFORE we make a move to replace him. I don't want Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Give me Okoye, Branch, or Carriker.[/quote]

I don't think we are looking to replace Andre Carter. Teh new guy would play opposite of him and replace Philip Daniels. Carter improved dramatically during the second half of the season banking 4 of his 6 sacks in the final 5 games and also posting his 3 highest tackle total on the season during that span. I think Carter will be fine.

I agree about getting Okoye or Branch instead of Adams or Anderson. Two undersized, pass-rushing DE's will be inneffective if we do not have some meat in the middle to eat up the blockers

holmester 03-06-2007 05:23 PM

Re: Whos available at 21 and 42?
 
Don't forget about Bett's either. I want him to stay around 1 more year as security and to possibly build his stock but I still would'nt be too surprised if he was traded if a good deal was offered.


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