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SkinsFanSince91 03-31-2007 01:19 PM

Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
It was reported by Washington POst Live and by a few of my reporter buddies at the Verizon Center, that the Redskins are in talks with Cleveland for the 3rd overall pick.

So far the deal is that the Redskins will trade their 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and a 6th rounder(the one we got from the Bears) in exchange for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round draft pick.

One of the reasons is that Gibbs & D. Snyder are both enamored with the skills, physical attributes, work ethic, and upside of one Calvin Johnson!

He has been projected to go as high as #1 overall to Oakland, but not to fall farther than #4 to Tampa Bay. So essentially, we would be leap-frogging the team that is reported to be taking him.

THoughts? Comments?

SC Skins Fan 03-31-2007 01:28 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=SkinsFanSince91;293422]It was reported by Washington POst Live and by a few of my reporter buddies at the Verizon Center, that the Redskins are in talks with Cleveland for the 3rd overall pick.

So far the deal is that the Redskins will trade their 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and a 6th rounder(the one we got from the Bears) in exchange for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round draft pick.

One of the reasons is that Gibbs & D. Snyder are both enamored with the skills, physical attributes, work ethic, and upside of one Calvin Johnson!

He has been projected to go as high as #1 overall to Oakland, but not to fall farther than #4 to Tampa Bay. So essentially, we would be leap-frogging the team that is reported to be taking him.

THoughts? Comments?[/quote]

I'd rather keep Betts and trade down from #6, get a third round pick and still be high enough to get one of the top DLinemen. I guess that trade would make sense (maybe more for Cleveland than the Skins) but it would at least make sense. Only as a draft day deal, though, because you'd have to make sure Johnson was still on the board. Sorry for blasting you on the other thread about the Cleveland and 3rd comment before knowing what you were talking about.

SkinsFanSince91 03-31-2007 01:37 PM

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Seems like a pretty good deal. Granted we trade to go up, we do get an extra first day pick in the 3rd round, and get a ultra-talented receiver(think posse 2007 Moss, Randle El, and C Johnson), we still have the ability to trade that pick the day of the draft!

If J Russell falls, and C Johnson goes 1st, we can use that position to listen to trade offers from teams trying to get him or Brady Quinn. The pick becomes more valuable as draft day approaches.

The 3rd overall pick is good deal for us. As is goes so far, we pick up CJ with the 3rd overall, and then have our own less-babyfied-playmaking-Randy Moss-type to accelerate the development of Jason Campbell. Then we can still use the first day pick in the 3rd round to get help elsewhere(DE, DT, or DB).

Let the bashing begin!!!

SkinsFanSince91 03-31-2007 01:42 PM

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Its cool, I dont even remember that.

Good post.

SlabHurta 03-31-2007 01:56 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
If the Redskins were going to do this, we'd have to be sure that either the Raiders and Lions weren't going to pick Johnson first. The Lions are known for drafting wide receivers with their first picks (Charles Rogers, Mike Williams) and the Raiders are rumored to trade Randy Moss and try to replace him with Calvin Johnson. Johnson is the best overall player in the draft and those two teams at the top will definitely consider the possibility of drafting him.

Nevertheless, this sounds like a good proposal to me since the Redskins are pretty tiny at wide receiver. This would give Campbell a great possession receiver to bail him out. Just think how many weapons he would have: Moss, Johnson, Randle El, Lloyd, and Cooley.

Although, whatever the outcome of the draft is and whoever the Redskins put on the field, I'm still going to spend my money to watch them lol.

offiss 03-31-2007 01:57 PM

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The guy will be phenomenal, unfortunatly we have spent a lot of money on WR's that are not half as good as CJ, I couldn't fault them for going after a bonified game changer like CJ. I believe in drafting the best talent, not need.

I still think with all the holes we have we need to trade down a couple of times, if Gibbs believes what he say's about all the talent being late in the first and in the 2nd rd then he should be dealing down come draft day.

redskins5044 03-31-2007 02:07 PM

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this type of trade will be done on draft day when the browns are on the clock and if calvin johnson is still there.

dmek25 03-31-2007 02:19 PM

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these are all rumors. we do not need another receiver. the skins front office is doing a wonderful job pretending they want everyone. i think the skins will trade down come draft day

skinsfan242 03-31-2007 02:24 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
HORRIBLE TRADE PERIOD! We need to keep Betts, he is signed for 5 years for small contract and it is proven you need two RB's to win in this league.

Now I would love to C.J. don't get me wrong, but why not just throw in a second rounder next year? That way we have Betts, Portis, Cooley, Moss, ARE, and C.J. That is a offsense with Depth.

In Additon like someone said, this can only be a draft day trade if C.J. is there.

skinsfan_nn 03-31-2007 02:49 PM

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No thanks. Ladell is going nowhere period, we NEED the two back system and LB will be here. CP and LB equals a GRANDSLAM in the backfield!

Hopefully we are baiting all these fool reports to believe and write all this crap!
If we do trade hopefully it's DOWN come draft day.

dmek25 03-31-2007 02:56 PM

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i dont like this trade, but i think now is the perfect time to trade betts. his value right now will never be higher

Big C 03-31-2007 02:56 PM

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dont want to trade betts. id assume this would only happen on draft day? because what if johnson is gone?

skinsfan_nn 03-31-2007 03:07 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=dmek25;293434]i dont like this trade, but i think now is the perfect time to trade betts. his value right now will never be higher[/quote]


First of all we need him, so how could that possibly be the perfect time to trade him?

What do you have a magic ball....his value will "NEVER" be higher? That makes no sense.

skinsfan69 03-31-2007 03:14 PM

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All this crap is is a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

Bill B 03-31-2007 03:21 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
Could we replace Betts with Lloyd to make the deal happen?

Wouldn't 4 highly paid recievers be overkill especially when the defenisve line is of need of some help and the draft this year has a lot of DE's and DL's that could make an impact?

GMScud 03-31-2007 03:28 PM

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1) We just gave Betts an extension, and he is one of Gibbs' "core Redskins" and a "character guy." I don't think it would sit too well in the locker room if we shipped him off. We'd be trading a proven stud for potential talent. Not typical Skins behavior. Plus from what I understand Saunders/Gibbs are pretty set on the Betts/Portis combo, as they should be.

2) The combined contracts of Lloyd, Moss, ARE is $91M (potentially). So we're gonna have a #4 WR (Lloyd) with a $29M contract?

3) We've been involved in so much hearsay, at this point I think we're just lobbing rumors out there to keep other teams guessing. In the past the writing has been on the wall with the Skins: mortgage draft picks for overhyped free agents and pay them waaaay to much. It's different this year.

4) WE DESPERATELY NEED HELP ON THE D-LINE!! I know we'd get a 3rd round pick if this trade went through, and I know this is a deep draft for D-lineman, but the 1st rd/early 2nd is where all the talent is.

In summary, PLEASE NO!

RobH4413 03-31-2007 03:29 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=GMScud;293441]1) We just gave Betts an extension, and he is one of Gibbs' "core Redskins" and a "character guy." I don't think it would sit too well in the locker room if we shipped him off. We'd be trading a proven stud for potential talent. Not typical Skins behavior. Plus from what I understand Saunders/Gibbs are pretty set on the Betts/Portis combo, as they should be.

2) The combined contracts of Lloyd, Moss, ARE is $91M (potentially). So we're gonna have a #4 WR (Lloyd) with a $29M contract?

3) We've been involved in so much hearsay, at this point I think we're just lobbing rumors out there to keep other teams guessing. In the past the writing has been on the wall with the Skins: mortgage draft picks for overhyped free agents and pay them waaaay to much. It's different this year.

4) WE DESPERATELY NEED HELP ON THE D-LINE!! I know we'd get a 3rd round pick if this trade went through, and I know this is a deep draft for D-lineman, but the 1st rd/early 2nd is where all the talent is.

In summary, PLEASE NO![/quote]


Good post, I pretty much agree 100%.

DieHardSince76 03-31-2007 03:30 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
If we could replace Betts with Lloyd, sign me on as a booster of this trade. Otherwise, forget it. We need D linemen!

celts32 03-31-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
I don't love the trade but I would do this before the Briggs trade.

GMScud 03-31-2007 03:47 PM

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Another thing- Cleveland desperately needs a QB. Derek Andersen and Charlie Frye are not gonna win them any significant football games. Romeo Crennell and Charlie Weis coached together in NE. You better believe they are targeting Brady Quinn. They are foolish if they don't. They could draft Adrian Peterson, but they did just get Jamal Lewis. If Cleveland is smart they keep that #3 and draft Quinn, then draft a RB in the 2nd round. Unless they think they can get Quinn at #6, but that's no guarantee by any means.

ArtMonkDrillz 03-31-2007 04:13 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[QUOTE=GMScud;293448] They could draft Adrian Peterson, but they did just get Jamal Lewis. If Cleveland is smart they keep that #3 and draft Quinn, then draft a RB in the 2nd round. Unless they think they can get Quinn at #6, but that's no guarantee by any means.[/QUOTE]If this trade acutally happened they wouldn't need to draft a RB because they'd be picking up Betts.

GMScud 03-31-2007 04:22 PM

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;293449]If this trade acutally happened they wouldn't need to draft a RB because they'd be picking up Betts.[/quote]

Right, but they still wouldn't have addressed their QB situation, and we'd have their 3rd round pick which is the neighborhood where Troy Smith, who has lobbied Cleveland to pick him, will be taken.

Trying to make a big splash with a wideout when we already have 3 PLUS a great TE makes no sense, especially if it would cost us Betts, who was probably our best offensive player last year. Who's gonna step in if Portis' surgically repaired shoulder doesn't hold up? Rock Cartwright? Mike Sellers? I love those guys, don't get me wrong, but we'd be screwed if we had to rely solely on them to handle the running game.

ArtMonkDrillz 03-31-2007 04:35 PM

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I would guess that Cleveland would have to take Smith in the 2nd, but that might be kind of a stretch. Maybe they take Drew Stanton instead, even though that probably wouldn't be a really popular choice around Cleveland.

As far as trading Betts, I don't really like it all the much either. We absolutely need to have 2 above average running backs or we're in trouble. Like you said, if we lose Betts we don't really have anyone great to step in for him and that just creates another need for the team.

I have to admit though, this whole Calvin Johnson thing has me feeling like a bit of a hypocrite. I'm totally against trading for Briggs because I don't think that move fills a real need. At the same time though, the thought of having Johnson on our offense has me feeling giddy, even though WR is not a true need (at least not a first round need).

The more I think about it the more I hope we trade down to someone like Atlanta for their first and fourth round picks (even though we'd lose some value on that) and pick up Okoye and an extra pick.

GMScud 03-31-2007 04:38 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;293451]I would guess that Cleveland would have to take Smith in the 2nd, but that might be kind of a stretch. Maybe they take Drew Stanton instead, even though that probably wouldn't be a really popular choice around Cleveland.

As far as trading Betts, I don't really like it all the much either. We absolutely need to have 2 above average running backs or we're in trouble. Like you said, if we lose Betts we don't really have anyone great to step in for him and that just creates another need for the team.

I have to admit though, this whole Calvin Johnson thing has me feeling like a bit of a hypocrite. I'm totally against trading for Briggs because I don't think that move feels a real need. At the same time though, the thought of having Johnson on our offense has me feeling giddy, even though WR is not a true need (at least not a first round need).

The more I think about it the more I hope we trade down to someone like Atlanta for their first and fourth round picks (even though we'd lose some value on that) and pick up Okoye and an extra pick.[/quote]

Okoye and an extra pick is EXACTLY what I want. I would be thrilled with that. The Falcons wants either LaRon Landry or Calvin Johnson. They could get Landry with the 6th pick for sure if we could make a deal with them.

I'm headed to the bar to watch my beloved Hoyas and Gators handle their business.

Daseal 03-31-2007 05:08 PM

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Cleveland can get the QB they want in Quinn at 6. I don't see anyone else going for him. I wouldn't be upset if we went after Calvin Johnson. He'll be a stud in the league. Betts is a good runner, but he has fumbling problems. I'm all for this deal, I'd like Johnson on the team, but even if we just do this then repackage the 3rd overall for someone to get Johnson I'd be okay with it.

skinsfan69 03-31-2007 05:44 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=GMScud;293441]1) We just gave Betts an extension, and he is one of Gibbs' "core Redskins" and a "character guy." I don't think it would sit too well in the locker room if we shipped him off. We'd be trading a proven stud for potential talent. Not typical Skins behavior. Plus from what I understand Saunders/Gibbs are pretty set on the Betts/Portis combo, as they should be.

2) The combined contracts of Lloyd, Moss, ARE is $91M (potentially). So we're gonna have a #4 WR (Lloyd) with a $29M contract?

3) We've been involved in so much hearsay, at this point I think we're just lobbing rumors out there to keep other teams guessing. In the past the writing has been on the wall with the Skins: mortgage draft picks for overhyped free agents and pay them waaaay to much. It's different this year.

4) WE DESPERATELY NEED HELP ON THE D-LINE!! I know we'd get a 3rd round pick if this trade went through, and I know this is a deep draft for D-lineman, but the 1st rd/early 2nd is where all the talent is.

In summary, PLEASE NO![/quote]

Didn't he call Pierce and Smoot core guys too?

GiantsSuck703 03-31-2007 05:50 PM

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[quote=skinsfan242;293432]HORRIBLE TRADE PERIOD! We need to keep Betts, he is signed for 5 years for small contract and it is proven you need two RB's to win in this league.

Now I would love to C.J. don't get me wrong, but why not just throw in a second rounder next year? That way we have Betts, Portis, Cooley, Moss, ARE, and C.J. That is a offsense with Depth.

In Additon like someone said, this can only be a draft day trade if C.J. is there.[/quote]

Horrible, are you serious? We give up our back up RB and a 6th round pick to move up 3 spots into the top 5, thats a hell of a steal if you ask me. We could always use that 3rd round pick on a DL or a back up to Portis and we would end up with the best player in the draft in Calvin Johnson, DO IT DO IT

RMSkins 03-31-2007 05:54 PM

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Forget Calvin Johnson. WE DON'T NEED HIM!!! We have far bigger holes to fill.

skinsfan_nn 03-31-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=GiantsSuck703;293458]Horrible, are you serious? We give up our back up RB and a 6th round pick to move up 3 spots into the top 5, thats a hell of a steal if you ask me. We could always use that 3rd round pick on a DL or a back up to Portis and we would end up with the best player in the draft in Calvin Johnson, DO IT DO IT[/quote]


First of all last year he was supposed to be a backup.......didn't turn out that way. He was our #1 back after CP went down, and did a pretty damn good job.

Nobody know's how CP is going to return this year after major shoulder repairs? And the fumble issue is a non-issue, easily fixed "AKA" Tikki, it's all in the RB technique. LB will be fine.

Futhermore, he's not going anywhere it makes zero sense. He could easily be the go to back before it's all said and done. You can't put all your eggs in the CP basket coming off a major injury.

Big C 03-31-2007 06:15 PM

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if portis went down again this year and we did this trade we'd have to rely on rock and nemo to carry the load...yikes

Longtimefan 03-31-2007 06:31 PM

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Please!! Let this draft be done already. All these trade rumors are getting to be quite crazy. One day we're trading up, the next day down, and no one has a clue. I'll be content to wait ans see what happens on draft day. At the rate these rumors are going, we're trading and drafting everybody available.

Longtimefan 03-31-2007 07:11 PM

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[QUOTE=Big C;293463]if portis went down again this year and we did this trade we'd have to rely on rock and nemo to carry the load...yikes[/QUOTE]


No, if Portis goes down the FO will do another one of their TJ Duckett deals and next year's draft we'll be like we are now, trying to figure out how we're going to get those draft picks back. We need another WR like we need a hole in our heads.

JankySpanky80 03-31-2007 07:16 PM

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CJ is amazing but i don't see us getting him. Whoever gets him will get a boost right away regardless of the WR's they have on their roster.

SkinsFanSince91 03-31-2007 07:57 PM

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[QUOTE=celts32;293446]I don't love the trade but I would do this before the Briggs trade.[/QUOTE]

Most definitely!!!

That being said this trade will more than likely be one that does happen on draft day. However, the fact remains that we still dont have any other first day picks than the 6th overall. This trade would potentially give us CJ and a 3rd rounder.

Cant beat that with a bat!!

We'd be hearing [I][SIZE="3"][B]"Campbell to Johnson. Touchdown!!!"[/B][/SIZE][/I] for years to come!!

Big C 03-31-2007 08:02 PM

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if we did this trade, and got the 3rd, it wouldn't surprise me if we took a running back to replace betts with that 3rd rounder...everyone wants to trade down so badly but it doesn't mean we will address the defensive line

GTripp0012 03-31-2007 08:46 PM

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;293472]We'd be hearing [I][SIZE=3][B]"Campbell to Johnson. Touchdown!!!"[/B][/SIZE][/I] for years to come!![/quote]Because hearing "Campbell to Moss" just doesn't turn you on anymore? Novelty value gone?

Big C 03-31-2007 08:52 PM

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campbell to robert johnson i think he meant

Hail2em 03-31-2007 09:18 PM

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But to give up betts? i dont like it to much myself. Portis goes down who do we turn to? betts is to valuable in my eyes and i wouldn't make this deal.

Schneed10 03-31-2007 09:52 PM

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I'd be absolutely SHOCKED if Joe Gibbs trades Ladell Betts. I mean like drop-jaw shocked. I don't care how enamored he is with Calvin Johnson, I can't see him doing that. He loves Betts way too much.

I don't see this one happening.

dmek25 03-31-2007 10:35 PM

Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!
 
[quote=skinsfan_nn;293436]First of all we need him, so how could that possibly be the perfect time to trade him?

What do you have a magic ball....his value will "NEVER" be higher? That makes no sense.[/quote]
first off, his numbers from last season were terrific. he signed a 5 year contract, at a low number. this makes him very appealing to alot of front office people. at the most, his numbers could only rise a small amount this season. people look at betts as a stud right now. he has no where to go but down. if that makes no sense, then explain to me, when getting about 8-10 carries a game, his value will grow?


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