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GTripp0012 04-09-2007 03:16 PM

The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
Terry Bradshaw has been very critical of NFL FO's recently because Tim Rattay is still on the market. After Jeff Garcia got signed, no QB on the market had a better year than Rattay did. Yet, he still sits cheap and unsigned on the open market.

It's hardly what I would consider a "critical move", but we should cut Todd Collins to make room for Rattay. Thinking toward the future, Brunell isn't going to be here in 2008. Neither will Collins. If we wait until next year to fill the very important role of backup QB, we are going to have to pay a premium on whoever we want to be our backup.

By signing Tim Rattay to a 3-4 year deal tomorrow and installing him as the third QB, we can get a cheap backup QB and avoid having to outbid someone on the market next year for a QB who we wouldn't be afraid to play. Collins is nothing more than a roster filler with ties to Saunders as is. Rattay SHOULD be a starting QB in this league.

As for next year, we would have 3 guys on the roster who would (should) all be starting for the Falcons. At the very least, given two preseasons, Rattay should be able to play at a moments notice at the top of his game.

Sign this guy! Cut Collins!

Rajmahal33 04-09-2007 03:21 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
What would we have to pay for him? ballpark?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 04-09-2007 03:32 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
I've always liked Tim Rattay and thought he'd be a very good #2 QB and an outstanding #3. My guess is that he could be had for little more than the vet. minimum considering he's drawn so little interest.

12thMan 04-09-2007 03:49 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
I say sign Patrick Ramsey.

crawfish 04-09-2007 03:58 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
I would sign Ratay and cut Brunell. No need to keep a 37 year old qb coming off major shoulder surgery and 2 1/2 years of below average play. Both Collins and Ratay would be fine as back-ups.

GTripp0012 04-09-2007 04:02 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=crawfish;295567]I would sign Ratay and cut Brunell. No need to keep a 37 year old qb coming off major shoulder surgery and 2 1/2 years of below average play. Both Collins and Ratay would be fine as back-ups.[/quote]There's no reason to keep Collins instead of Brunell. They are both old guys who won't be here after 2008. The difference is one can play and one can not.

Oh, and Brunell just restructed his deal making his cap hit even more relevant. It costs money to get rid of him this year.

crawfish 04-09-2007 04:03 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.

RMSkins 04-09-2007 04:05 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=crawfish;295569]No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.[/quote]

If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.

Schneed10 04-09-2007 04:07 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.

GTripp0012 04-09-2007 04:08 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=crawfish;295569]No one knows if Collins can really play or not since he has really never been given the chance. No one knew if Damon Huard could play until he got his chance last year. Lot's of guys can get the job done. Many just never get the chance.[/quote]Damon Huard played really well...for half a season. That doesn't exactly make him a proven commodity.

We don't know for certain that Todd Collins sucks, but based on the few things we DO know about him, it's a reasonable assumption.

You know what you have in Brunell. High completion %, low INT, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and consistency. Probably too old to consistently evade a rush.

We don't know if Collins is good for any of that. No reason to think he is.

Cut him and get Rattay.

Schneed10 04-09-2007 04:08 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=RMSkins;295570]If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.[/quote]

Definitely not fair to him. He was playing with a team that at the time had no clue how to execute the Saunders offense.

pdid5000 04-09-2007 04:09 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

Schneed10 04-09-2007 04:10 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=GTripp0012;295573]Damon Huard played really well...for half a season. That doesn't exactly make him a proven commodity.

We don't know for certain that Todd Collins sucks, but based on the few things we DO know about him, it's a reasonable assumption.

You know what you have in Brunell. High completion %, low INT, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and consistency. Probably too old to consistently evade a rush.

We don't know if Collins is good for any of that. No reason to think he is.

Cut him and get Rattay.[/quote]

GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.

crawfish 04-09-2007 04:10 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=RMSkins;295570]If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.[/quote]

None of our QB's looked good in pre season. You can't get a good read on pre season games. No one is running game plans and stuff like that.

Schneed10 04-09-2007 04:13 PM

Re: The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread
 
[quote=pdid5000;295575]Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.[/quote]

:doh:

Why are people acting like it's that easy to just switch parts in and out on a football team? Did we learn nothing from this past debacle of a season? You bring in Tim Rattay, he's going to know nothing about our offense. And exactly how is he going to get enough reps to learn anything over the next season or so when we're concentrating on giving almost all the reps to Campbell?

Collins is not talented. But he is cheap, and he knows how to operate the offense. Rattay will cost more, and would take time to train.


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