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Citizens for 81 04-25-2007 08:06 AM

AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
Here's an AP article on the press conference on Tuesday. While it sounds overly critical of Gibbs (at least to me), I think the writer makes a few points.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=200253]SportingNews.com - NFL - Gibbs doubts any draftee could start[/url]

Mattyk 04-25-2007 09:16 AM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
I think this article is twisting his words a bit and trying to make a story out of nothing. I don't see where Gibbs directly says that he doubts a draftee could start.

I think more than anything he's trying to show his support and faith in his current personnel. He's simply saying that competition will be tough for any rookie who comes in, he'll have to earn his spot just like anyone else.

KLHJ2 04-25-2007 09:23 AM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=Mattyk72;301979]I think this article is twisting his words a bit and trying to make a story out of nothing. I don't see where Gibbs directly says that he doubts a draftee could start.

I think more than anything he's trying to show his support and faith in his current personnel. He's simply saying that competition will be tough for any rookie who comes in, he'll have to earn his spot just like anyone else.[/quote]

Yes, I think that Gibbs was actually saying that when they draft somebody in the first round, they could possibly start in a year.

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-25-2007 10:01 AM

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landry okoye adams they would all start even carriker would start from day 1 correction should start

gibbs4life 04-25-2007 10:03 AM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=Mattyk72;301979]I think this article is twisting his words a bit and trying to make a story out of nothing. I don't see where Gibbs directly says that he doubts a draftee could start.

I think more than anything he's trying to show his support and faith in his current personnel. He's simply saying that competition will be tough for any rookie who comes in, he'll have to earn his spot just like anyone else.[/quote]

yeah i saw that in my local paper too they have a way od twisting things don,t they matty
thats the idea i had too looking thru the article on what joe said..

KLHJ2 04-25-2007 10:03 AM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;302006]landry okoye adams they would all start even carriker would start from day 1 correction should start[/quote]

So you would start them right now, even though they haven't even earned a spot on the team yet.

GTripp0012 04-25-2007 11:57 AM

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Wow, a rookie not being the best on the team at his position? No way!

SmootSmack 04-25-2007 12:07 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
They do also have contract negotiations to deal with. The Redskins wouldn't be in a very good position if the player's agent could say "Hey, you said my guy would start from day one. You need him here"

jsarno 04-25-2007 12:18 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;301979]I think this article is twisting his words a bit and trying to make a story out of nothing. I don't see where Gibbs directly says that he doubts a draftee could start.

I think more than anything he's trying to show his support and faith in his current personnel. He's simply saying that competition will be tough for any rookie who comes in, he'll have to earn his spot just like anyone else.[/QUOTE]

I don't know matty...this is pretty convincing:

"You'd love to have a guy who can make an immediate impact," Gibbs said. "But to be quite truthful, you look at our football team, where could a player step in here right now and say: 'I'm taking over'? Where is that? That makes us feel good. I don't feel panicked that we have to take any one thing. It's hard to say that somebody would just step into any position right now."

I don't think anything is being twisted. As they point out, we had the worst D in the NFC last year, and won only 5 games yet only adding 2 real good players in Fletcher and Smoot. How would Landry not start? How would a DE (any DE) not start?
I get the point of Gibbs comments in trying to show confidence in his players, but he just showed a lack of confidence to every player that might be drafted for us. If I was, say, Okoye, and I just heard Gibbs say that...I'm wishing and hoping to not be drafted by the Skins. No one wants to ride the pine out of college.

Mattyk 04-25-2007 12:24 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=jsarno;302119]I don't know matty...this is pretty convincing:

"You'd love to have a guy who can make an immediate impact," Gibbs said. "But to be quite truthful, you look at our football team, where could a player step in here right now and say: 'I'm taking over'? Where is that? That makes us feel good. I don't feel panicked that we have to take any one thing. It's hard to say that somebody would just step into any position right now."

I don't think anything is being twisted. As they point out, we had the worst D in the NFC last year, and won only 5 games yet only adding 2 real good players in Fletcher and Smoot. How would Landry not start? How would a DE (any DE) not start?

I get the point of Gibbs comments in trying to show confidence in his players, but he just showed a lack of confidence to every player that might be drafted for us. If I was, say, Okoye, and I just heard Gibbs say that...I'm wishing and hoping to not be drafted by the Skins. No one wants to ride the pine out of college.[/quote]

Again, I don't see where he's saying specifically, I doubt a rookie can come in and start. More than anything he's saying he feels good in the team as is. He's saying they have a lot of options, and whoever comes in will have to earn his spot.

I guess you can take it either way, but I just think the negative slant this writer is trying to give doesn't make much sense.

skinsfan69 04-25-2007 12:48 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=Mattyk72;301979]I think this article is twisting his words a bit and trying to make a story out of nothing. I don't see where Gibbs directly says that he doubts a draftee could start.

I think more than anything he's trying to show his support and faith in his current personnel. He's simply saying that competition will be tough for any rookie who comes in, he'll have to earn his spot just like anyone else.[/quote]

I listened to the press conference on the Redskins web site. And he basically said that it would be real tough for any player in the draft to come in as a rookie and start. I kind of raised my eye brows a bit cause I could think of several players that could walk in and start at DE, SS, and WR. But he did happen to point out that Goldston and Montgomery were basically living in the weight room, and that those two were "way ahead" of where they were last year. So that was real good to hear.

freddyg12 04-25-2007 12:59 PM

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JLC pointed out Gibbs saying this in Skins insider today, but its still no news at all. They have to write something & fans like us are anxious for the draft & will read anything.

I agree w/Matty's take on it. I actually like the way Gibbs phrased it, he's basically setting the tone for camp. I've thought for a no. of years that we've lacked solid competition in camp for roster spots & starting jobs. That happens when you sign a lot of free agents, since it is often too costly to cut them. Gibbs will start a rookie, as will GW, they just want them to be as prepared in the scheme as the vets are.

On a side note, Okoye or any d-linemen I'd say has a greater chance of starting early on than Landry. Safety in GW's d seems to require a bit more tutoring.

jsarno 04-25-2007 01:10 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;302124]Again, I don't see where he's saying specifically, I doubt a rookie can come in and start. More than anything he's saying he feels good in the team as is. He's saying they have a lot of options, and whoever comes in will have to earn his spot.

I guess you can take it either way, but I just think the negative slant this writer is trying to give doesn't make much sense.[/QUOTE]

Well, you have to look at it from their prospective. When someone is up, kick em til they are down...and when someone is down, kick em to keep em down. Negativity sells.

skinsfan69 04-25-2007 01:30 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=freddyg12;302157]JLC pointed out Gibbs saying this in Skins insider today, but its still no news at all. They have to write something & fans like us are anxious for the draft & will read anything.

I agree w/Matty's take on it. I actually like the way Gibbs phrased it, he's basically setting the tone for camp. I've thought for a no. of years that we've lacked solid competition in camp for roster spots & starting jobs. That happens when you sign a lot of free agents, since it is often too costly to cut them. Gibbs will start a rookie, as will GW, they just want them to be as prepared in the scheme as the vets are.

On a side note, Okoye or any d-linemen I'd say has a greater chance of starting early on than Landry. Safety in GW's d seems to require a bit more tutoring.[/quote]

So you think Okoye, who is 19 or 20, could walk right in and start over Goldston and Montgomery who have been here in the program for a year? I don't think so. He's going to need a year or two before we becomes a starter. I think someone like Carriker could start right away over Daniels.

GTripp0012 04-25-2007 01:38 PM

Re: AP "Gibbs doubts any draftee could start"
 
[quote=skinsfan69;302187]So you think Okoye, who is 19 or 20, could walk right in and start over Goldston and Montgomery who have been here in the program for a year? I don't think so. He's going to need a year or two before we becomes a starter. I think someone like Carriker could start right away over Daniels.[/quote]Age aside, and yes that counts for something, they've both been well versed in the college ranks. I think they would be equally ready as rookies, but we'd be best off playing the best guy we have for the job, and the smart money says thats not the rookie, no matter how talented he is. Daniels is still servicable at the very least.


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