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70Chip 06-20-2007 06:32 PM

Free Scooter Libby
 
Christopher Hitchens de-mythologizes the leak case and calls for Bush to pardon him here:

[url=http://www.slate.com/id/2168642/]Free Scooter Libby! - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine[/url]

djnemo65 06-20-2007 07:17 PM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
According to this article the case has a good chance of being overturned on appeal so why not just let that run it's course? I assume by the thread title you are one of those calling on President Bush to issue a pardon right?

70Chip 06-20-2007 07:36 PM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[quote=djnemo65;319949]According to this article the case has a good chance of being overturned on appeal so why not just let that run it's course? I assume by the thread title you are one of those calling on President Bush to issue a pardon right?[/quote]

The reason I would support a pardon,as oppossed to letting the wheels of justice turn at their leisurely pace, is that Patrick Fitzgerald and Judge Walton seem determined to send Libby to jail before his appeals, which as Hitchens points out are strong on the merits, are allowed to be heard. He could spend three years in jail before an appeals court finally gets around to throwing his conviction out, which they certainly should.

Fitzgerald should have put a stop to this as soon as he realized Valerie Wilson was not covered by the Identities Protection Act. He didn't in my opinion for two reasons:

1. The press would have turned their venom on him and accused him of covering up, and

2. Prosecutors exist to prosecute people. There is saying among their tribe that goes something like, "Anyone can convict a guilty man, but you have to be a really good lawyer to convict someone that's innocent." Witness Mike Nifong.

Meanwhile Dick Armitage is already on his third martini.

saden1 06-20-2007 11:37 PM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
What about Paris Hilton? When will they free poor Miss. Hilton? Why aren't there people advocating for her release? Evil prevails when good men fail to act. Call your Congressman and Senators folks and let them know you want Paris freed.

SmootSmack 06-20-2007 11:41 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;319985]What about Paris Hilton? When will they free poor Miss. Hilton? Why aren't there people advocating for her release? Evil prevails when good men fail to act. Call your Congressmen and Senator folks and let them know you want Paris freed.[/QUOTE]

Damn straight. It's unjust I tell ya. Unjust!

70Chip 06-20-2007 11:45 PM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[quote=saden1;319985]What about Paris Hilton? When will they free poor Miss. Hilton? Why aren't there people advocating for her release? Evil prevails when good men fail to act. Call your Congressman and Senators folks and let them know you want Paris freed.[/quote]

But she does have an advocate. Hitch strikes again:

[url=http://www.slate.com/id/2168128/fr/flyout]TheĀ*creepy populism surrounding Paris Hilton andĀ*Scooter Libby. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine[/url]

FRPLG 06-20-2007 11:58 PM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
Hitchens like fairness and in both cases the defendants have been treated very atypical with regard to normal practice of our justice system. It does reak of being unfair.

70Chip 06-21-2007 12:12 AM

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I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for Paris Hilton but I do agree that it exposes our collective hypocricy. I haven't seen her tape (there are a million better looking girls doing that on the internet) but it seems like everyone else has, and it does seem to hover over the whole spectacle.

The case of Michelle Wie is similiar if less vulgar. I heard the guy who does D.C Sportscenter on the radio yesterday mildly ridiculing her when he announced her withdrawal from the John Deere Classic. People who understand golf know that she was never anything special but the machine that seeks to create the next big thing was determined not to let that be an obstacle. They created all this hype, all the while ignoring the legitimate accomplishments of someone like Morgan Pressel, and when she doesn't measure up they pile on as though she were somehow to blame. What a sordid business.

SmootSmack 06-21-2007 12:16 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[QUOTE=70Chip;320009]I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for Paris Hilton but I do agree that it exposes our collective hypocricy. I haven't seen her tape (there are a million better looking girls doing that on the internet) but it seems like everyone else has, and it does seem to hover over the whole spectacle.

The case of Michelle Wie is similiar if less vulgar. I heard the guy who does D.C Sportscenter on the radio yesterday mildly ridiculing her when he announced her withdrawal from the John Deere Classic. People who understand golf know that she was never anything special but the machine that seeks to create the next big thing was determined not to let that be an obstacle. They created all this hype, all the while ignoring the legitimate accomplishments of someone like Morgan Pressel, and when she doesn't measure up they pile on as though she were somehow to blame. What a sordid business.[/QUOTE]

Poor Michelle Wie needs to step away from the spotlight and just live her life for a while. She's on the verge of a Capriati like fall. I heard Wie was doing some pretty nasty stuff during a Pro-Am in Maryland a couple of weeks ago. Such as using her clubs for...um...purposes other than hitting the ball. Shocked everyone.

70Chip 06-21-2007 12:24 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[quote=SmootSmack;320010]Poor Michelle Wie needs to step away from the spotlight and just live her life for a while. She's on the verge of a Capriati like fall. I heard Wie was doing some pretty nasty stuff during a Pro-Am in Maryland a couple of weeks ago. Such as using her clubs for...um...purposes other than hitting the ball. Shocked everyone.[/quote]

I'm going to go look for that on the internet right now. Wait. Is this some sort of de-constructionist commentary on your part? Like when Sandler would do "crazy one armed man"?

SmootSmack 06-21-2007 12:31 AM

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[QUOTE=70Chip;320014]I'm going to go look for that on the internet right now. Wait. Is this some sort of de-constructionist commentary on your part? Like when Sandler would do "crazy one armed man"?[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.mylpga.com/boards/showthread.php?p=42197]Wie played the Pro-Am for lpga championship - myLPGA - LPGA Message Boards at the LPGA FORUM[/url]

Scroll down to post #4

And supposedly there was more stuff that wasn't published in that article. I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who said that she'd been messing around

70Chip 06-21-2007 12:45 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
When you said nasty, I thought you meant like you know...nasty. It just goes to show how pervasive the problem is. When someone as high-minded as myself can fall victim to it...

SmootSmack 06-21-2007 12:47 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[QUOTE=70Chip;320017]When you said nasty, I thought you meant like you know...nasty. It just goes to show how pervasive the problem is. When someone as high-minded as myself can fall victim to it...[/QUOTE]

I did mean nasty. Like I said, it was supposedly at the same event that I posted but those "nasty details" were not published in that article.

70Chip 06-21-2007 12:51 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[quote=SmootSmack;320018]I did mean nasty. Like I said, it was supposedly at the same event that I posted but those "nasty details" were not published in that article.[/quote]

Like Janet Jackson nasty or kick the dog nasty? I suppose we would have heard about kick the dog nasty.

SmootSmack 06-21-2007 12:54 AM

Re: Free Scooter Libby
 
[QUOTE=70Chip;320020]Like Janet Jackson nasty or kick the dog nasty? I suppose we would have heard about kick the dog nasty.[/QUOTE]

Like I don't think she's 18 and I feel kind of weird talking about it nasty.

Free Paris Hilton!


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