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sandtrapjack 12-04-2007 08:32 AM

What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
What pi*sses me off the MOST about the death of Sean Taylor is that if our justice system actually worked for the people instead of the thugs, Sean Taylor would be alive today.

This is from an Associated Press report on the suspects:

[quote=Associated Press]
The suspects all have prior arrests, according to police, including drug, theft and [B]gun charges[/B], though friends and family have defended them.[/quote]

If they had PRIOR gun charges, then WTF were they doing out on in the streets? If the justice system would have done the job right and put these guys away when they displayed a tendency to carry DEADLY weapons and commit violent acts, then Sean would be here today. That right! If the justice system had done the job that the taxpayers are paying for, and done it right the FIRST time, this tragedy would never have happened.

The damn courts responsible for letting these guys "off" the last time are just as responsible as if they pulled the damn trigger.

Sorry, it just INFURIATES me to no end. This sensless killing could have been prevented.

Schneed10 12-04-2007 09:04 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
This will quickly turn into a debate over the rights of the accused, sentencing guidelines, and the general principle that someone can pay their debt to society by serving time.

Daseal 12-04-2007 09:30 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
I don't think we can blame this on that. In fairness, there's a chance Sean Taylor could be in jail right now on gun charges (which at this point is starting to seem like a damn nice alternative) from his previous actions. Typically, I think the justice system is overly harsh on folks. We can't put everyone in jail for their offenses. I'd also be very curious the exact charges these guys had. Arrests on charges also doesn't mean convictions. I've been arrested for "Contributing the the delinquency of minors", does that mean I was found guilty because 19 year olds drank some of my booze? (The answer is no, I got it thrown out), but still -- I was arrested for it.

Sandtrap: I know you're a Dallas fan -- should Tank Johnson be behind bars right now? He was arrested and convicted of gun charges. Enough for a small army if I remember correctly. Personally, I feel like he did his time and learned his lesson, but I'm curious what you think.

Mattyk 12-04-2007 09:32 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
For me it's simple, if he wasn't hurt he would have been with the team and not at home. But either way, we could play the "what if" game all we want, in the end Taylor is gone and we have to move on.

Daseal 12-04-2007 09:33 AM

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Amen Matty. What if that bullet sails a quarter inch to the left. We're talking about Taylor rehabbing and playing next season. Just a terrible turn of events.

skins268 12-04-2007 09:38 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
My question is Un-Premeditated Murder is totally crazy because Report said the phone lines were cut and one of the guys had a gun..If they didnt anticipate Sean being home or just doing a basic robbery why Cut the phone lines and carry a gun into the home??just those 2 facts alone should make it 1st degree murder ..which would carry death penalty in florida,but for some reason that isnt being used as a option.That is what makes me Mad about this whole deal.

Mattyk 12-04-2007 09:43 AM

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I think the report about the phone lines being cut ended up being false.

Daseal 12-04-2007 09:45 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[quote]My question is Un-Premeditated Murder is totally crazy because Report said the phone lines were cut and one of the guys had a gun..If they didnt anticipate Sean being home or just doing a basic robbery why Cut the phone lines and carry a gun into the home??just those 2 facts alone should make it 1st degree murder ..which would carry death penalty in florida,but for some reason that isnt being used as a option.That is what makes me Mad about this whole deal.[/quote]
That's a tough argument to make. These guys carry guns for their protection. I believe most criminals hope to NOT have to use the gun, but it's something that's often necessary unfortunately. When homeowners have guns, you kinda have to match that. I'm not trying to defend these idiots, but I'm trying to explain why they might do what they did.

As far as the phone lines, that's enigmatic to me. No one seems to know. At first they said the lines were cut, then I heard they weren't cut. The police said that ST's fiance had trouble operating the phone, whatever that means. Cpayne in another thread suggested maybe they took the phone off the hook and dialed a number. That would make the phone useless. If they did cut the lines, theres definitely something to premeditated argument.

sandtrapjack 12-04-2007 10:17 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[quote=Daseal;388604]I don't think we can blame this on that. In fairness, there's a chance Sean Taylor could be in jail right now on gun charges (which at this point is starting to seem like a damn nice alternative) from his previous actions. Typically, I think the justice system is overly harsh on folks. We can't put everyone in jail for their offenses. I'd also be very curious the exact charges these guys had. Arrests on charges also doesn't mean convictions. I've been arrested for "Contributing the the delinquency of minors", does that mean I was found guilty because 19 year olds drank some of my booze? (The answer is no, I got it thrown out), but still -- I was arrested for it.

Sandtrap: I know you're a Dallas fan -- should Tank Johnson be behind bars right now? He was arrested and convicted of gun charges. Enough for a small army if I remember correctly. Personally, I feel like he did his time and learned his lesson, but I'm curious what you think.[/quote]

No Tank should not. Totally different set of circumstances. Tank never committed theft or burgalry or drug charges. Tank was a gun enthusiast, he collects guns as a hobby. But the guns were obtained legally. He displayed poor judgement, yes. But he did not commit burglary, theft or engage in drug activities. And he had no priors on gun related or violent acts. These guys DID.

I will promise you that prior to the Taylor shooting that the "resume" of these alledged assailants will reveal that it included all of the above, probably more than once. In other words that ALREADY HAD THEIR SECOND OR EVEN THIRD CHANCE AT STRAIGHTENING THIER ACT UP. And now we see how well that turned out.

Like Seans past discretions and gun charges. He accepted responsibility for his actions and he DID NOT DO IT AGAIN. Not these punks, they have been caught before and then allowed to roam the streets and prey on innocent people.

xkaotikx 12-04-2007 10:23 AM

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SandTrapJack, I totally agree with you on this. The only problem is the jails. We don't have enough prison space for all fugitives. If the government wouldn't be going into war all the time, we could build up our economy and make more prison space, rather than having to continually spend money on military to defend ourselves and go on the offensive end.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 10:25 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[QUOTE=Daseal;388623]That's a tough argument to make. [COLOR="Black"][B]These guys carry guns for their protection. [/B][/COLOR] I believe most criminals hope to NOT have to use the gun, but it's something that's often necessary unfortunately. When homeowners have guns, you kinda have to match that. I'm not trying to defend these idiots, but I'm trying to explain why they might do what they did.

As far as the phone lines, that's enigmatic to me. No one seems to know. At first they said the lines were cut, then I heard they weren't cut. The police said that ST's fiance had trouble operating the phone, whatever that means. Cpayne in another thread suggested maybe they took the phone off the hook and dialed a number. That would make the phone useless. If they did cut the lines, theres definitely something to premeditated argument.[/QUOTE]


They need them for their own protection because they live criminal lifestyles. SO they need a gun because the homeowner they're trying to rob might legally own a gun for legitimate self defense? How do you even type that? That argument doesn't hold water with me. You kill someone in their own home, you get executed. Not in 20 years, as soon as you're found guilty. Walk 'em outside and line em up against the wall. I know that's harsh but who deserves our sympathy? The victim or the murderer?

Mwoody85 12-04-2007 10:30 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;388569]What pi*sses me off the MOST about the death of Sean Taylor is that if our justice system actually worked for the people instead of the thugs, Sean Taylor would be alive today.

If they had PRIOR gun charges, then WTF were they doing out on in the streets?[/QUOTE]



.....I bet you were singing a different tune when Sean Taylor picked up gun charges.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:30 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
What makes me so mad about this is that it was so fucking uneccessary. If they didnt want to kill him why take the damn gun and why shoot it. you could just point it at him and say get on the ground I am pretty sure he would have done what you said. Damn jackasses. I hope they fry and I hope it HURTS.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:31 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[quote=Mwoody85;388679].....I bet you were singing a different tune when Sean Taylor picked up gun charges.[/quote]


Sean Taylor gun charges was blown out of proportion and on top of that these guys have been arrested at least twice for the same shit Sean accepted responibility and stopped using guns.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 10:34 AM

Re: What angers us most about Sean Taylors death
 
[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;388680]What makes me so mad about this is that it was so fucking uneccessary. If they didnt want to kill him why take the damn gun and why shoot it. you could just point it at him and say get on the ground I am pretty sure he would have done what you said. Damn jackasses. I hope they fry and I hope it HURTS.[/QUOTE]

That's just it. If you're ever in a situation where you think "I might need a gun" then you probably should evaluate yourself. I own a firearm for protection, it's in my nightstand ( i don't have children). I'm not saying you shouldn't have one, I'm saying that if you are committing a crime and take a weapon, you are considering using it, either against whoever you are harming through the crime itself or any law enforcement that try and apprehend you. Either way, you are irredeemable and deserve whatever punishment you get.


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