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Cowboyhater 08-10-2004 10:01 AM

QB Rollout pass to TE or FB
 
Why haven't we learned how to stop that play?

Also, was it just me or did Ramsey look like he was still taking play calls from Spurrier? I expected him to do much better. I almost had a myocardial infarction when I saw him audible.

Anyone know of any good football message boards that deal with Xs and Os that might help answer my first question?

Redskins_P 08-10-2004 10:10 AM

Taylor did a good job of reading it yesterday. Maybe we need to start Taylor ASAP.....

illdefined 08-10-2004 10:23 AM

i'll say it one more time, its because we're BLITZING EVERY DOWN. by commiting an LB to the blitz, we're leaving a flat completely open. they took advantage of that all night. our LBs must have been telegraphing which side and not done any disguising (preseason?).

its been my biggest worry about the defense, without the DLine applying pressure on its own, or at the very least soaking up blocks for the blitzing LBs, we're completely leaving the middle open to one backer.

hopefully during the season, we'll mix up the blitzes better so they dont know which side to rollout/throw across to. but ideally, our Dline would do its job and apply pressure by itself..

cant be relying on Taylor to save our ass every time our LBs dont get there in time.

memphisskin 08-10-2004 10:51 AM

I'd say because it's just a helluva play. They do a brilliant job of setting it up and executing it. But we did pick it off twice, so I'd say that we did a pretty good job against it.

I think we'll be fine. We won't have to blitz every down because our d-line actually started off collapsing the pocket on their own. I loved the way our 1st team defense looked early. Add to that the defensive touchdown by Taylor and our d giving up only 9 points through much of the game despite our offensive ineptitude and I'd say it was a pretty good outing.

kingerock 08-10-2004 12:20 PM

2 things:

1. It was executed well to the point of the PA and bootleg. There was once that they faked out even the camera man for the entire play.

2. You can't win a championship on bootlegs. While they executed that play, we kept them out of the endzone until late in the 4th and we picked them off 3 times. I think you'll see alot of turnovers caused this season. Remember not every QB can do that, Plummer is a special case and a master of being able to move. What happens when it's Testeverde or Warner?

And in the 1st two series we were able to collapse the pocket in about 5 seconds with the front 4. That's still too long, but it's good to see that we aren't getting bullied and pancaked for 10 seconds while the QB makes a sandwhich back there. Add a blitz and any non-mobile QB better be ready to get hit.

ChounsMan 08-10-2004 12:58 PM

I totally agree..!! If we can not stop it, then we better learn how to run it better. However, Coach Gibbs wrote the book on that play, so I'm sure he will figure it out.

huntz 08-10-2004 01:01 PM

Despite what we did see going wrong in the game, it was good to see the return to the running game, especially the "counter" plays. Used alot of them. Gibbs wants to win these preseason games, but, of course, not show anything up his sleeve.

rickmmrr 08-10-2004 01:05 PM

[QUOTE=Cowboyhater]Why haven't we learned how to stop that play?

Also, was it just me or did Ramsey look like he was still taking play calls from Spurrier? I expected him to do much better. I almost had a myocardial infarction when I saw him audible.

Anyone know of any good football message boards that deal with Xs and Os that might help answer my first question?[/QUOTE]

It was not a good outing for Ramsey. It did indeed look like
he was still getting calls from Spurrier. I thought the same thing.

That Guy 08-10-2004 02:31 PM

this is a very plain D and O designed to test the players, not the playbook... maybe its on purpose? maybe that thought is too optimistic, but hey ;)

RedskinPete 08-10-2004 02:46 PM

Redskins_P.....
 
Taylor will start but he will all so get burned a few times. I bet he burns other teams much more when it is all said and done this season. If you look at what He should beable to do on a Football field and what Champ can do we will forget Champ B very soon! :headbange There are very few Saftey that can stay on the field and match up against a WR! He looks to beable to do so! Also I can't wait till he puts on a bog hit on the WR and TE ! :food-smil Should be fun!!!

jdlea 08-10-2004 04:46 PM

:stop: While a lot of you bash Ramsey's outting he was a lot more on target than Brunell. He looked absolutely horrid. I couldn't believe my eyes. Anything over 8 yards and Brunell was way off the mark. Ramsey didn't play well either, but I think he had the better night.

NM Redskin 08-11-2004 05:11 AM

As far as Ramsey and Brunell, look at want GIbbs said in his post game comments. . Quote: "In the first half, we couldn't get anything going offensively. We really struggled. It was a hard first half. And that's my fault. I'm the guy who's got to make it go here, so I kind of took that to heart."
There is a lot of things that have to go right for the offense to be succesful. Nothing new that QB takes the heat first, but sometimes it's not the QB fault. Everybody with a new system, heck they looked good!

Daseal 08-11-2004 07:54 AM

NM Redskin - It's Gibbs fault that our two starting callibre QBs can't hit wide open receivers and miss by quite a bit. I understand if the receiver runs the wrong route, but I doubt that they did that all night.

Brunell and Ramsey both looked horrible. I hope they sharpen up come Saturday!

JWsleep 08-11-2004 02:22 PM

Actually, getting burned on that play early in the pre-season is a blessing. Now we can prepare for it.

Remember, though, this was basically a scrimage for the skins, and they certainly did minimal scouting. Further, they were not opening up even a little of the serious playbook yet, so you can't take much from this. Also, I thought that Denver ran many more "regular season" type things, which made us look worse, at this stage. Finally, Denver is a vet playoff team, and we are a 5-11 team with a new coaching staff and lots of new players. And we still picked them off a bunch of times, once for a TD.

Williams is the real deal at D-coordinator, and he's got on of the best staffs in the league. Don't get too worried yet! Also, remember that play late in the first half where Williams brought the dealyed blitz to knock Denver out of field-goal range? That was a great call, and one of the few times he turned on the jets there. Good stuff.

Redskins_P 08-11-2004 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Actually, getting burned on that play early in the pre-season is a blessing. Now we can prepare for it.

Remember, though, this was basically a scrimage for the skins, and they certainly did minimal scouting. Further, they were not opening up even a little of the serious playbook yet, so you can't take much from this. Also, I thought that Denver ran many more "regular season" type things, which made us look worse, at this stage. Finally, Denver is a vet playoff team, and we are a 5-11 team with a new coaching staff and lots of new players. And we still picked them off a bunch of times, once for a TD.

Williams is the real deal at D-coordinator, and he's got on of the best staffs in the league. Don't get too worried yet! Also, remember that play late in the first half where Williams brought the dealyed blitz to knock Denver out of field-goal range? That was a great call, and one of the few times he turned on the jets there. Good stuff.[/QUOTE]

Good point JW. I thought the defense looked pretty decent for the first scrimmage. They attacked alot more and tackled alot better. Like I said before our defense will improve and it's going to surprise a lot of people....mark my words.


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