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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-08-2008 03:30 PM

Media Bias
 
[B][Continued from the McCain/Romney thread][/B]

Firstdown,

I don't agree with your claim that PBS is as biased to the left as Fox News is to the right. I think PBS is pretty balanced and far better than, say, CNN or Fox News. Keep in mind, I am an independent who leans right on about 50% of the "issues" and left on the other 50% of the "issues." As for Fox News' bias, I wasn't referring to the O'Reilly Factor, I was referring to their "news segments."

FRPLG 02-08-2008 03:43 PM

Re: Media Bias
 
I often struggle to see why it is simply accepted that Fox News is right wing fanatic while mainstream media is simply cneter-left. For my money watching Fox News I often wonder if the fact that they are not left simply makes them appear so much more conservative than they really are.

Alas I do find myself having to work to keep my opinions in check while watching the networks and CNN because I am so ingrained to be skeptical of their reporting. Bernie Goldberg's book on media bias is great and he wrote it before he ever started working for Fox News. His point is essentially that the media culture is one of liberals and that they do not intentionally turn the news left but they simply see the world through that view and their reporting reflects it.

I have less a problem with media bias than I do with with people who seem to want to assert that it doesn't exist or those who minimalize it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-08-2008 03:48 PM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;419417]I often struggle to see why it is simply accepted that Fox News is right wing fanatic while mainstream media is simply cneter-left. For my money watching Fox News I often wonder if the fact that they are not left simply makes them appear so much more conservative than they really are.

Alas I do find myself having to work to keep my opinions in check while watching the networks and CNN because I am so ingrained to be skeptical of their reporting. Bernie Goldberg's book on media bias is great and he wrote it before he ever started working for Fox News. [B]His point is essentially that the media culture is one of liberals and that they do not intentionally turn the news left but they simply see the world through that view and their reporting reflects it[/B].

I have less a problem with media bias than I do with with people who seem to want to assert that it doesn't exist or those who minimalize it.[/QUOTE]

I read the book and agree with the bolded statement above. The difference between CNN and Fox News is that most mainstream media outlets unintentionally/subtly lean left whereas Fox News is unabashedly right leaning. Fox News has a purpose, it caters to those who feel the mainstream media is too liberal.

As a centrist independent, I think it's pretty clear that Fox is more biased than most news outlets, even if there are more numerous left-leaning media outlets. Do you really disagree with that statement?

FRPLG 02-08-2008 03:55 PM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419420]I read the book and agree with the bolded statement above. The difference between CNN and Fox News is that most mainstream media outlets unintentionally/subtly lean left whereas Fox News is unabashedly right leaning. Fox News has a purpose, it caters to those who feel the mainstream media is too liberal.

As a centrist independent, I think it's pretty clear that Fox is more biased than most news outlets, even if there are more numerous left-leaning media outlets. Do you really disagree with that statement?[/QUOTE]

I'd probably agree that they are more overtly biased. They have people who are recognized as leaning one way or the other and they do seem to accept the notion of media bias. Being as their slogan is "Fair and Balanced". Whether they are moreso biased than others I may not be able to tell but I would say at least they don't just ignore the notion of bias like the networks and CNN basically do.

saden1 02-08-2008 04:03 PM

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Honestly I don't really care much for CNN or Fox or MSNBC for that matter. I expect news outlets to report the news not have some talking head telling me their opinions as if they were fact. My main problem with Fox is that they claim to be "Fair and Balanced" which I find very insulting. Seriously, that has to be a joke. They often dumb down their news, almost to a Jerry Springerish level.

And yes, there is biased everywhere. To be human is to have bias even if you don't think you have none.

firstdown 02-08-2008 04:05 PM

Re: Media Bias
 
[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;419406][B][Continued from the McCain/Romney thread][/B]

Firstdown,

I don't agree with your claim that PBS is as biased to the left as Fox News is to the right. I think PBS is pretty balanced and far better than, say, CNN or Fox News. Keep in mind, I am an independent who leans right on about 50% of the "issues" and left on the other 50% of the "issues." As for Fox News' bias, I wasn't referring to the O'Reilly Factor, I was referring to their "news segments."[/quote]
Everything they talk about is bashing the Rep party and Bush. I can not think of the guys name he is a left winger and he even says that PBS leans heavy to the left. Why do you think that the Rep. party wanted to cut off funds to PBS?

firstdown 02-08-2008 04:08 PM

Re: Media Bias
 
[quote=saden1;419436]Honestly I don't really care much for CNN or Fox or MSNBC for that matter. I expect news outlets to report the news not have some talking head telling me their opinions as it they were fact. My main problem with Fox is that they claim to be "Fair and Balanced" which I find very insulting. Seriously, that has to be a joke. They often dumb down their news, almost to a Jerry Springerish level.[/quote]
Speaking of MSNBC. Last Tuesday night in their coverage of the election and the results they showed Hillary & Obama's picture whith these big smiles. When they showed the Rep. they all had frowns and just laughed. I almost started a thread about that. So watch the next primary. It sounds like we all pretty much agree that their is bias in the media but disagree on how much from different sources.

saden1 02-08-2008 04:09 PM

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[quote=firstdown;419437]Everything they talk about is bashing the Rep party and Bush. I can not think of the guys name he is a left winger and he even says that PBS leans heavy to the left. Why do you think that the Rep. party wanted to cut off funds to PBS?[/quote]

A PBS show, Bill Moyer Journal, convinced me that Bill Clinton needed to be impeached and I believe that's the most liberal show on PBS.

I find PBS by far the best source for pure news. They truly report the news, news that really matters.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-08-2008 04:30 PM

Re: Media Bias
 
[QUOTE=firstdown;419437]Everything they talk about is bashing the Rep party and Bush. I can not think of the guys name he is a left winger and he even says that PBS leans heavy to the left. Why do you think that the Rep. party wanted to cut off funds to PBS?[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Moreover, Bush hasn't been a great success. He's pretty unpopular with people of all political affiliations. I support the surge, but the Iraq Qar was a mistake of massive proportions. Bush has managed to alienate most of our allies, even after they rallied to our cause after 9/11. The economy is in or headed for a recession. The Bush administration has been riddled with scandals and the list goes on. Again, I'm no leftie, but it's pretty hard not to be hard on Bush.

mheisig 02-08-2008 05:01 PM

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Just a pet peeve, but why not throw it in here: appropriate use of the term "bias."

[B]Good:[/B] Fox News has an incredible right-wing bias.
[B]Bad:[/B] Fox News has an incredible right-wing biased.

[B]Good:[/B] CNN is biased.
[B]Bad:[/B] CNN is bias.

[B]Good:[/B] Everyone has a little bias.
[B]Bad:[/B] Everyone has a little biased.

The Goat 02-08-2008 07:38 PM

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The thing people don't realize about Fox News is that it's actually run by a Republican - Roger Ailes. Just do a quick profile search on the guy and you see that he spent most of his career as a Republican political operative (like Karl Rove) and only later got into media. That's totally different from other news stations and should be pretty revealing about where Fox is coming from.

BleedBurgundy 02-08-2008 09:29 PM

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The quality of newscasts has dropped through the floor. The only factor keeping me from throwing objects at my tv in disgust is the amount of money it costs. How people can watch the pure drivel that FOX broadcasts and accept it as anything approaching fact appalls me. I'm an effing republican and I just don't get it. Do people just like hearing their own viewpoints coming out of the television so much that they are not only completely willing, but EAGER, to completely suspend disbelief and nod along, slack-jawed with whatever talking head is spouting off? It's pathetic.

BleedBurgundy 02-08-2008 09:32 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;419436]Honestly I don't really care much for CNN or Fox or MSNBC for that matter. I expect news outlets to report the news not have some talking head telling me their opinions as if they were fact. My main problem with Fox is that they claim to be "Fair and Balanced" which I find very insulting. Seriously, that has to be a joke. They often dumb down their news, almost to a Jerry Springerish level.

And yes, there is biased everywhere. [B]To be human is to have bias even if you don't think you have none[/B].[/QUOTE]

That's true but it's one thing to inadvertently project personal bias onto a story/issue, completely another to build bias into your network's identity.

70Chip 02-10-2008 02:33 PM

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At least Fox never pushed phony documents on the public in an attempt to discredit a politician they didn't like. Dan Rather is still telling people he thinks they were real. But what am I saying. CBS did an internal investigation and determined that nothing that happened there was the result of bias. So, CBS has spoken and CBS says that CBS is not biased.

70Chip 02-10-2008 02:45 PM

Re: Media Bias
 
[quote=The Goat;419511]The thing people don't realize about Fox News is that it's actually run by a Republican - Roger Ailes. Just do a quick profile search on the guy and you see that he spent most of his career as a Republican political operative (like Karl Rove) and only later got into media. That's totally different from other news stations and should be pretty revealing about where Fox is coming from.[/quote]

This is great. Roger Ailes is the [I]only[/I] Republican that runs any major news outlet in this country so that is taken as a sign of bias. If he were a Democrat like all the others, he would, by definition, be unbiased. I think Fox should agree to fire everyone who is a Republican on the same day that all the other networks fire all their Democrats.


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