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Let's start with McCain, it has been a nasty week for him. The allegations of tight coupling with lobbyist and the implication of an extramarital affair can't be good for his long term prospect. I learned quit a bit about him this week, I certainly wasn't aware that his past included some crookedness. Finally, it doesn't help to be [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/id/114505/output/print"]dishonest[/URL] during your [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8lRPeFMQhs"]denial speech[/URL]. Makes you wonder if Huckabee still has a chance?

I always hear people say Obama gives nice speeches but lacks substance. Well someone at the evil, socialists, America hating "The Daily Kos" did a [URL="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633"]little digging[/URL] and what they found was a bit surprising to me. At this point I'm really wondering if Obama is the real deal or if he is going to turn out to be a YAW (yet another weasel). Finally, I wonder how many people were disturbed by Michelle Obama's [URL="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7h3tqXBVMkt-Ig_c0Dz025_-jJQD8V053E00"]recent comments[/URL]? Perhaps it's time to fire her ass?

It's [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjcT_sri_2E"]not looking good[/URL] for Hillary and it makes you [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGbj_ERlJ0&feature=related"]wonder[/URL] how it's possible to go from "top choice" to "eh, maybe?" Since delegates are apportioned she'll need to win big. Can she win both Ohio and Texas? Is she really going to try and get the delegates from Michigan and Florida [URL="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/hrc_seat_michigan_and_florida.php"]seated[/URL]?

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ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!ABH!(Anybody but Hillary)

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I was surprised that Obama won Wisconsin by a landslide, I thought it would've been much closer. Unfortunately, I get the sinking feeling that Clinton will win Ohio and Texas. Not by a huge margin, but a wins a win.

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This is all for not anyway...it will be McCain vs Obama. Hillary is done.

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[quote=saden1;425424] Well someone at the evil, socialists, America hating "The Daily Kos" did a [URL="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633"]little digging[/URL] and what they found was a bit surprising to me. At this point I'm really wondering if Obama is the real deal or if he is going to turn out to be a YAW (yet another weasel). Finally, I wonder how many people were disturbed by Michelle Obama's [URL="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7h3tqXBVMkt-Ig_c0Dz025_-jJQD8V053E00"]recent comments[/URL]? Perhaps it's time to fire her ass?
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I read the article and the one attacking his patriotism can be thrown out the window. Mud slinging, and not very good mud slinging. His problem is he already admitted to smoking pot and doing coke on more than one occasion when he was younger, among other things... so no one can really dig up any dirt on him. Smart move. He's a smart guy. Id like to give a smart guy a shot at running this damn country for once, instead of some idiot patriotic cheerleader.

Its funny because on the moral issues Im pretty conservative. I pretty much walk down the "right" line with my views of abortion, gun control, etc... and I do recognize that not all of the economic problems are to be put at the feet of GW. NAFTA and laxed tarrifs on goods from countries with low low labor rates that were imposed under clinton have a lot to do with the direction of this countries economy.

Remember when Wal Mart in the early nineties had a campaign about buying American whenever they could, so you could too? Now it's all about being the cheapest. I don't shop there anymore. I refuse. I obviously don't always buy american, but I do try to support our economy with my money as much as I can. Until something is done about higher tarrifs on imported goods from low labor rate countries, and things done about immigrants taking their earnings and sending them out of the country at an alarming rate, on top of jobs being shipped out of the states to cut labor rates by 80% or more, we're pretty much doomed.

Obama is the only one who I've seen really address the problems. I like him.

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[quote=jsarno;425452]This is all for [B]not[/B] anyway...it will be McCain vs Obama. Hillary is done.[/quote]

I believe the word you're looking for is naught.

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N.A.F.T.A is the single worse piece of legislature ever signed into law. i wonder if any of the candidates will address this issue. i started out thinking Hillary would be the one, all the way to the white house. now, i think it will be Obama. McCain is obviously the strongest republican, but how much is that really saying? we are entering a recession, and McCain will down right tell you he doesn't know anything about the economics of our country. i don't know about you guys, but i don't want anyone in the white house that doesnt know how to do probably 1/3 of his job

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the funny thing is, at least to me, if you went strictly on qualifications, it would probably be Clinton

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[quote=dmek25;425488]N.A.F.T.A is the single worse piece of legislature ever signed into law. i wonder if any of the candidates will address this issue. i started out thinking Hillary would be the one, all the way to the white house. now, i think it will be Obama. McCain is obviously the strongest republican, but how much is that really saying? we are entering a recession, and McCain will down right tell you he doesn't know anything about the economics of our country. i don't know about you guys, but i don't want anyone in the white house that doesnt know how to do probably 1/3 of his job[/quote]


ive only watched 2 of the debates. the last one in tx on cnn and clips of another on youtube. obama does mention nafta as being a huge factor in our failing economy.

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I for one am one of those so-called "right wing nut jobs". Also, like McCain I am a veteran so I feel closest to him. But, he tends to be too moderate about things like immigration and other domestic policies. With that said, I feel he is the better choice of all of the others running. What I see the Dems putting out there is quite disturbing to me. It seems that they all want an entitlement-state that oppresses capitalism, and comes too close to socialism. I'm not down with that at all.
A funny but sad thing I experienced this past fall while on a field trip to our nations capital with my daughters' 5th grade class this past year. I couldn't help but notice all of the different languages that were heard that day. I really took the time to scan the numerous people there, and I would say that about 65% of those diverse people were foreigners. These people actually made our nations capital a vacation destination, and wanted to know about our short but rich history. These people have more of an appreciation for our country than us regular citizens. It truly is a shame that some people like to name-call and trash our leaders just because they feel like they can. I have been to several foreign coutries in my 38 years of living, and this country by far and away has all the others beat.
JFK once said, "ask not, what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country". Wow, I'm no fan of his but that was some powerful and unselfish thing to say back then. While others are sitting back waiting for Clinton or Obama to get into the White House waiting for their checks to come into the mail disgust me. I say if this country is so bad then why is it that so many foreigners come here to start their lives over? The answer is pretty obvious to me. And ask this, how many other countries are as diverse as ours? That is another obvious one; NONE.

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so Clinton and Obama are the only candidates that will owe " favors" once they enter the white house? then why are 6 of John McCain's main campaign advisers former lobbyists? but i definitely here what you are saying about the United States being the best country in the world, hands down

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What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;425491]the funny thing is, at least to me, if you went strictly on qualifications, it would probably be Clinton[/QUOTE]

I certainly don't agree but I'd love to hear your argument. I am not particularly impressed with any of them.

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[quote=4mrusmc;425662]What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.[/quote]


I agree with a war on terror, but that isn't the war that's being fought in Iraq. I have several family members in Iraq as we speak. I also have several friends there, and all of them I've spoken to feel the same way about the war we're fighting. It's senseless.

I actually do believe that violence can be a resolution, but a last resort. I wish it weren't so, but as you said it can be. George Bush addressing the UN telling them "you're either with us or with the terrorists" made my stomach churn. It wasn't true and frankly we've had a moron running this country for eight years, who took over for another moron. It really speaks to the state of the citizenship that we elected this guy twice. It shouldn't have been close enough to steal.

Partisan politics were based on the theory that through argument you should get the best ideas implemented. Its time to get a new point of view in the white house. I think the smartest guy, and the most honorable guy is obama. I didn't really want it to be, because I wanted a Republican to be that guy. They really need a face lift, though.

Our country is great, but we are undeniably moving in the wrong direction. If we continue on this path we will not be a great country very long. Our military is spread too thin. It started when Clinton cut so many military jobs and they started outsourcing so much of their construction and maintenance operations to contractors. That, coupled with the war in Iraq that still wages with no plan, has weakened our military and cost us trillions of dollars, and thousands of lives.

Our economy has had band-aid solutions put on for so long they're bled through. This country was the most profitable when we were more self reliant. During the industrial age, we manufactured our goods here, at home. The middle class flourished and more and more people were able to live above the poverty line in our country. Appeasing large corporations to cut costs has cost America deeply. Tax breaks for businesses outsourcing jobs? Who the hell does that help? Eventually there will be no one left to use any of the products these companies offer, and they will die off too. We need someone with the balls to stand up and put a stop to the destruction of the middle class in the US. To ensure that the people who are fortunate enough to have jobs in this country, don't send their wages to be spent in countries with floundering economies. We need a candidate who is truly inspired to make a difference, and not just sit up and blow smoke up our asses, and play all of the political BS games that these guys play.

To me, obama is the only candidate I've seen in years that gives me hope that a guy may just be sincere. He may be smart enough and determined enough to actually change this country for the better. FDR type of change. He may not, but he's the only one I see with even that type potential.

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good post canthetuna. your economic points are dead on. the same with the oil companies getting those same tax breaks for research and development. what a joke. these guys are setting records every quarter for profit. if Mr. Bush has accomplished anything, the middle class is coming closer and closer to becoming extinct

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You're right. And the bad thing is, that right now we have alaska, which should have been drilled. Osha and the EPA have gone berserk in maintaining environmental balances around pipelines and oil rigs. I lived in TX most of my life and there were oil pumps everywhere. We had a hunting camp full of them. There were no large environmental impacts.

Alaska is somewhere around 44% (if memory serves me) the size of the contintental US, and according to the 2005 census, has only 100k more pepole than the CITY of Washington DC. (with dc being around 550k and the state of alaska having around 650k)

I'd drill the piss out of it and say, when we use that up we're done.

I'd allow for more oil drilling in alaska for the time being (which would create jobs and keep more of our dollars domestic) and then focus more of our resources on developing a plan for alternative fuels, mainly making a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle more cost effective.

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[quote=canthetuna;425903]You're right. And the bad thing is, that right now we have alaska, which should have been drilled. Osha and the EPA have gone berserk in maintaining environmental balances around pipelines and oil rigs. I lived in TX most of my life and there were oil pumps everywhere. We had a hunting camp full of them. There were no large environmental impacts.

Alaska is somewhere around 44% (if memory serves me) the size of the contintental US, and according to the 2005 census, has only 100k more pepole than the CITY of Washington DC. (with dc being around 550k and the state of alaska having around 650k)

I'd drill the piss out of it and say, when we use that up we're done.

I'd allow for more oil drilling in alaska for the time being (which would create jobs and keep more of our dollars domestic) and then focus more of our resources on developing a plan for alternative fuels, mainly making a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle more cost effective.[/quote]

Oh, now you know better than that. The treehuggers would never allow that to happen. ;)

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;425712]Our economy has had band-aid solutions put on for so long they're bled through. This country was the most profitable when we were more self reliant. During the industrial age, we manufactured our goods here, at home. The middle class flourished and more and more people were able to live above the poverty line in our country. Appeasing large corporations to cut costs has cost America deeply. Tax breaks for businesses outsourcing jobs? Who the hell does that help? Eventually there will be no one left to use any of the products these companies offer, and they will die off too. We need someone with the balls to stand up and put a stop to the destruction of the middle class in the US. To ensure that the people who are fortunate enough to have jobs in this country, don't send their wages to be spent in countries with floundering economies. We need a candidate who is truly inspired to make a difference, and not just sit up and blow smoke up our asses, and play all of the political BS games that these guys play.[/QUOTE]

The "middle class" was NOT prospering at the dawn of the industrial age, at its apex, or during its early decline. You think our health care situation is bad now? They didn't know what health care was and died during their 40s. They couldn't eat anywhere near as well as we do today. Poor workers were treated FAR worse than any worker in today's America.

Also, corporate tax cuts aren't a bad thing. Those corporations employ the middle class. Guess what corporate directors and officers do when faced with tax hikes? They order cut jobs to increase profitability and heap additional demands on those workers they decide to keep. Go ahead, tax the hell out of corporations and see what happens to middle class.

The notion that we would prosper if we erected mile high walls around our borders and become "self reliant" is not grounded in any real sense of reality. A large reason why food is so damn cheap, we can get all sorts of fruits during winter months, and various other goods and services are so cheap is because we have reached out to other countries.

I know people like Lou Dobbs are gaining popularity by saying things like, "this war on the middle class," "evil corporations are killing the average worker," and we are "exporting America." Those simple slogans are nice, capitalize on people's emotions, and get nice ratings, but they lack any real substance.

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Every time I think of Lou Doubs I think Lewis Prothero:

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;425910]The "middle class" was NOT prospering at the dawn of the industrial age, at its apex, or during its early decline. You think our health care situation is bad now? They didn't know what health care was and died during their 40s. They couldn't eat anywhere near as well as we do today. Poor workers were treated FAR worse than any worker in today's America.

Also, corporate tax cuts aren't a bad thing. Those corporations employ the middle class. Guess what corporate directors and officers do when faced with tax hikes? They order cut jobs to increase profitability and heap additional demands on those workers they decide to keep. Go ahead, tax the hell out of corporations and see what happens to middle class.

The notion that we would prosper if we erected mile high walls around our borders and become "self reliant" is not grounded in any real sense of reality. A large reason why food is so damn cheap, we can get all sorts of fruits during winter months, and various other goods and services are so cheap is because we have reached out to other countries.

I know people like Lou Dobbs are gaining popularity by saying things like, "this war on the middle class," "evil corporations are killing the average worker," and we are "exporting America." Those simple slogans are nice, capitalize on people's emotions, and get nice ratings, but they lack any real substance.[/quote]

I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;425996]I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?[/QUOTE]

You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.

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McCain was helped tremendously by the Times story. It is the equivilant of Bush 41 picking a fight with Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News.


RATHER: "I don't want to be argumentative, Mr. Vice President."
BUSH: "You do, Dan."
RATHER: "No -- no, sir, I don't."
BUSH: "This is not a great night, because I want to talk about why I want to be president, why those 41 percent of the people are supporting me. And I don't think it's fair to judge my whole career by a rehash of Iran. How would you like it if I judged your career by those seven minutes when you [URL="http://www.ratherbiased.com/bizarre.htm#miamiWalkout"][COLOR=#0000ff]walked off[/COLOR][/URL] the set in New York?"
RATHER: "Mr. Vice President, the question is -- but you made us hypocrites in the face of the world. How could you sign on to such a policy? And the question is what does that tell us about your record?"
BUSH: "When a CIA agent is being tortured to death, maybe you err on the side of a human life. But everybody's admitted mistakes. I've admitted mistakes. And you want to dwell on them, and I want to talk about the values we believe in and experience and the integrity that goes with all of this, and what's -- I'm going to do about education, and you're--there's nothing new here. I thought this was a news program. What is new?" RATHER: "Mr. Vice President, I appreciate you joining us tonight. I appreciate this straightforward way in which you engaged in this exchange. Clearly, some unanswered questions remain."

Prior to this moment, Bush 41 was viewed with great skepticism by Conservatives. Remember he had called Reagan's economic plan "voodoo economics". The above exchange fixed all that.

The people who should be alarmed by the Times story are professional journalists. I think a story rehashing the Keating 5 or investigating McCain's connection to lobbyists is worthwhile, but to include an allegation of a sexual nature based on an anonymous source that had no first hand knowledge of the activity in question, and who was probably fired by McCain* last year, is shameful. Of course, The Times at one point employed a guy who just made his stories up (and he was considered to be a real up and comer), so I suppose they are making strides.

*The only context the Times provides for these sources describes them as having "become disillusioned" with McCain. It's implied that their 'disillusionment" is somehow related to the activities described in the story, but their "disillusionment" failed to surface for eight years until right after McCain fired a bunch of his campaign staff.

Micheal Kinsley, who is not Conservative, but is a professional journalist has [URL="http://www.slate.com/id/2185134"]this[/URL] very humorous take on the Times story.

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as i have said about president Clinton, i don't give a damn who McCain is/ was screwing. the real story. to me. is the circle of lobbyists that McCain confides in

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;426011]You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.[/quote]


I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?

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tuna, i feel you. the whole terrorists thing is definitely being used by the republican party. the patriot act could have been a good thing, if it didnt get side tacked for other purposes

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[QUOTE=dmek25;426263]as i have said about president Clinton, i don't give a damn who McCain is/ was screwing. the real story. to me. is the circle of lobbyists that McCain confides in[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I think it is this way for just about every politician.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;426276]I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?[/QUOTE]

I certainly wasn't angry with the points you were making, I just disagreed with [I]some[/I] of them. I think you raised some valid points; I just took note of those that I disagreed with. No offense intended.

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I completely understand and take no offense, I just cant help but wonder which points you disagree with and why? Just looking for alternative points of view... that's all.:food-smil

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[quote=canthetuna;425903]You're right. And the bad thing is, that right now we have alaska, which should have been drilled. Osha and the EPA have gone berserk in maintaining environmental balances around pipelines and oil rigs. I lived in TX most of my life and there were oil pumps everywhere. We had a hunting camp full of them. There were no large environmental impacts.

Alaska is somewhere around 44% (if memory serves me) the size of the contintental US, and according to the 2005 census, has only 100k more pepole than the CITY of Washington DC. (with dc being around 550k and the state of alaska having around 650k)

I'd drill the piss out of it and say, when we use that up we're done.

I'd allow for more oil drilling in alaska for the time being (which would create jobs and keep more of our dollars domestic) and then focus more of our resources on developing a plan for alternative fuels, mainly making a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle more cost effective.[/quote]
I agree but we do not have to go to the extent to which your talking. From what I read the place we want to drill is very small and has a hugh supply of oil. They said if Alaska was one arcer of land the area we want to drill is the size of a shoe sitting on that acre.

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[quote=dmek25;426300]tuna, i feel you. the whole terrorists thing is definitely being used by the republican party. the patriot act could have been a good thing, if it didnt get side tacked for other purposes[/quote]

This is ridiculous to me. Exploiting issues to their advantage is what politicians do. If I said, "I think health care is an important topic, I just don't like the way the Democrats use it to score points", wouldn't that be ridiculous? Why should terrorism be off limits in this regard? The reality is that the American people trust the Republicans more on terrorism and security, so the Democrats respond by implying that this is somehow offsides. I think that's weak.

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sorry the truth hurts. it seems to me that every time president Bush, or John McCain starts slipping in polls, the terror alert goes up. or in any election year, fill in the blank with any republicans name. and i don't know how you can say the American people TRUST the republicans in regards to any issue. this administration has taken lying to the public to new heights

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History is replete with examples of BOTH Dems and Repubs exploiting news, wars, tragedies, etc. for political gain. For example, FDR (a God to most Dems) talked a lot about "not fearing fear," but then he used bad intelligence to imprison hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans. The "internment camps" make Gitmo and the secret detentions look rather trivial. Neither side has a monopoly on cheap exploitation IMO. As much as I love this country and our system of government, I've never fully trusted my government and I never will.

As for the "war on terrorism," I think the Repubs use it for political advantage. But, on the other hand, I think they also genuinely feel that the war on terrorism is more "real" than Dems.

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Kinda like when Clinton suddenly decided it was imperative to launch airstrikes on Iraq the night before his impeachment hearings began

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[quote=SmootSmack;428727]Kinda like when Clinton suddenly decided it was imperative to launch airstrikes on Iraq the night before his impeachment hearings began[/quote]

:laughing2Even I had to laugh at that one.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428727]Kinda like when Clinton suddenly decided it was imperative to launch airstrikes on Iraq the night before his impeachment hearings began[/QUOTE]

And on Kosovo on the eve of Monica's depo.

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[quote=70Chip;428707]This is ridiculous to me. Exploiting issues to their advantage is what politicians do. If I said, "I think health care is an important topic, I just don't like the way the Democrats use it to score points", wouldn't that be ridiculous? Why should terrorism be off limits in this regard? The reality is that the American people trust the Republicans more on terrorism and security, so the Democrats respond by implying that this is somehow offsides. I think that's weak.[/quote]


I'm a republican and if I recall the republicans were in office when the worst terrorist attack in our nations history took place. Having faith in them in spite of that is weak. Actually its completely beyond my comprehension, and the fact that this administration found out who's responsible and has not allocated the manpower and resources to bring him to justice is a failure. How so many see it any other way is beyond me.

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Usually when it comes to govt. I'm a "less is more" kinda guy, which pretty much puts me in line with the Republicans. Especially when it comes to moral issues like gun control and abortion rights, however I've lost faith in the Republican leadership. I really think we need a change of pace. Keeping things as they are in this country aren't an option. We're not exactly living in ethiopia over here, but we're moving in the wrong direction and we need to right the ship.

As far as using political issues to gain public opinion, I just feel that America is duped into thinking that the Republicans are the only way they're going to be safe. I feel the same way about the news commercials that say shit like, "Your child could die tomorrow. Find out more at 11"

I know people who watch the news constantly and worry to death about things that they needn't, just because fear tends to breed consumption, and salespeople (whether it be by politicians or news people) use this to exploit the "sheep".

On a side note I had the culligan man in my house to test my water last month. Turns out I don't really need anything. He could have tried to scare me into buying something but he didn't. I've turned him onto 3 people since then who have bought water systems for their house because he was a nice honest guy. Had he been a D bag and told me how my water wasn't safe for my kids because of "microbacteria" I woudlve just sent him packing.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;428736]And on Kosovo on the eve of Monica's depo.[/quote]

It was The Sudan. In August of 1998. I remember because i was taking computer classes at the time and my C++ teacher was Sudanese and he was really horrified by it. Clinton claimed it was a chemical weapons factory and I think it turned out to be an Ibuprophen manufacturing plant. This poor immigrant teacher was really a decent guy and after this incident, he wouldn't look us in the face. All because of a ****ing blowjob. Talk about using terror for political advantage.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_pharmaceutical_factory]Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;426300]tuna, i feel you. the whole terrorists thing is definitely being used by the republican party. the patriot act could have been a good thing, if it didnt get side tacked for other purposes[/quote]
What other purposes are you talking about?

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[quote=dmek25;428711]sorry the truth hurts. it seems to me that every time president Bush, or John McCain starts slipping in polls, the terror alert goes up. or in any election year, fill in the blank with any republicans name. and i don't know how you can say the American people TRUST the republicans in regards to any issue. this administration has taken lying to the public to new heights[/quote]
Has this administration been lying more than others or just in a situtation where they feel some stuff has to be kept secret so they can fight terroism. How can we go after and find people when the dems. keep trying to make issues with everyway they search for terrorist only making it public so it becomes useless. If the Dems have issues with how the Whitehouse has done things then go behind closed doors and dissucuse the issue don't make make it pubilic rendering that programe useless. If then they still have issues they could say thats fine we are going public.