We must draft OL early!
I am posting this because I just wanted to express my views on who I feel the skins should draft based on biggest need.IMO we need to draft OL early it is our biggest need. We were a playoff team last year! Not only do I believe we would have won the division but would have gone deeper in the playoffs,had we had a healthy OL.Now I do acknowledge that CB and DE/DT/WR are also important needs I just don't feel they are positions we need to address at #21.If S.Springs stays this season then we just draft a CB in mid-late rounds.EX:Tyvon Branch,Jonathan Zenon,Chevis Jackson,Orlando Scandrick etc.....DT same thing if Trevor Laws or Dre Moore isn't there in the 3rd. You have Kendall Langford,Barry Booker,Keilen Dykes or Lionel Dotson.All of which are perfectly capable of fulfilling our needs.As far as DE is concerned I wouldn't be against drafting Quentin Groves or Derrick Harvey at #21 but this would not be ideal and I wouldn't recommend it unless Branden Albert OG and Chris Williams OT are already off the board.We are now moving to the WCO so we are going to need that OL help!What good does it do to be in the WCO if Portis has no room to run or Campbell has no time to throw to that BIG receiver everyone feels we need to draft at #21??? Again IMO it's only logical that we draft OL in the first 3rds.Preferably with 2 of our first 4 picks(it won't happen but I can always dream).A couple of scenarios that I like would be as follows.
Scenario #1 1.Branden Albert OG 2.Calais Campbell DE 3.Jordy Nelson WR 3.John Greco OT Scenario #2 1.Quentin Groves DE 2.Roy Schuening OG 3.Jordy Nelson WR(Insert your favorite WR here.I just feel J.Nelson would be a perfect fit for us but may have to pick him up in the 2nd.round) 3.Gosder Cherilus OT Scenario #3 1.Branden Albert OG 2.Cliff Avril DE/OLB 3.Jordy Nelson 3.Oneil Cousins There are a lot of scenarios just depending on who's available when we pick.We have neglected this position to long and if we go OL early we are going to be set for this season and many to come!We can't forget we are not looking for depth here,we are looking for future starters.As far as WR is concerned I do feel 2nd or 3rd would be a good place to pick one up.I just don't feel we need to reach for a WR in the first when there is quality in mid to later rounds.Let's give Campbell and Portis that special help they need and deserve if we want them to lead us to the superbowl anytime soon.OL early is the way to go! |
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Good scenarios...I am curious though, I thought Campbell projected in the top 20? Did his stock fall?
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Thanks man! Yes I have read on a few sites that C.Campbell is now most likely a 2nd rd. pick.
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[QUOTE=skinzaholic73;433993]Thanks man! Yes I have read on a few sites that C.Campbell is now most likely a 2nd rd. pick.[/QUOTE]
Wow...I did not know that. Then again, I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to it here lately. If we could sneak him in the 2nd, that would be a great pick up for us. I am of the notion that our DL is most important, but if they have a good plan to cover it with a second rounder, I'm all for it. |
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[quote=jsarno;433996]Wow...I did not know that. Then again, I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to it here lately.
If we could sneak him in the 2nd, that would be a great pick up for us. I am of the notion that our DL is most important, but if they have a good plan to cover it with a second rounder, I'm all for it.[/quote] Yeah, DE is overdue on being addressed in the draft or free agency. Carter is a nice FA pick up but he was first of what should have been three additions that should have been made. We have needed a pass rush from the DL since the "five in a row or we don't go" days. We should have been addressing that position since then until it was adequate. I wouldn't mind 3 selections that addressed DL, 2 in the first 3 picks. |
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I would not have any objection if we draft a O-line player in 1st rd - however I think we really need to draft a good CB first because I'm not sure if Springs will be in Redskins uniform next yr or two yrs later.. We DO need to find a replacement for him soon.. But if a good O-line player happens to be there, we should go ahead and grab him..
As for Jordy Nelson, u ren't only one.. I really hope we will draft him but eh I hope we can grab him in 3rd rd.. |
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O Line Early Your Out Your Mind!!!! They Neeeedddd To Try To Get Heyer In A Guard Spot Draft Maybe One Or Two O Line Second Day! With Jansen Heyer On One Side And Thomas And Samuals On The Other Its Size And Strength
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[QUOTE=EveryHomeGameSince87;434005]O Line Early Your Out Your Mind!!!! They Neeeedddd To Try To Get Heyer In A Guard Spot Draft Maybe One Or Two O Line Second Day! With Jansen Heyer On One Side And Thomas And Samuals On The Other Its Size And Strength[/QUOTE]
Didn't we try to move a tackle into a guard spot already, and it didn't work out? I think Heyer should be groomed to replace either Jansen or Samuels. |
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I have always felt that you can get solid value offensive lineman in the later rounds- 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. I REALLY believe we need to get an offensive playmaker with that first pick. I think either Limas Sweed, Malcomb Kelly or Desean Jackson will be available at that point and we need to get them. We may not have had much luck drafting receivers in the first round over the last 10 or so years (insert Michael Westbrook here) but I think these 3 receivers are going to be very good.
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;434016]Didn't we try to move a tackle into a guard spot already, and it didn't work out? I think Heyer should be groomed to replace either Jansen or Samuels.[/QUOTE]
Todd Wade.... |
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[quote=billyredskin;434019]I have always felt that you can get solid value offensive lineman in the later rounds- 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. I REALLY believe we need to get an offensive playmaker with that first pick. I think either Limas Sweed, Malcomb Kelly or Desean Jackson will be available at that point and we need to get them. We may not have had much luck drafting receivers in the first round over the last 10 or so years (insert Michael Westbrook here) but I think these 3 receivers are going to be very good.[/quote]
[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8001"]Marques Colston - New Orleans Saints - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL] - Marques Colston If we use our first pick on a WR I will be disappointed. WRs with size and ability can be found later in the draft as evident in the link above. Granted, this is the extreme case in which it pans out, the Skins should be able to grab a tall, system compatiable, receiver later in the draft, if it is so necessary. I feel using our 1st pick on a WR would poorly start out our most significant draft in the past 5 years. |
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[quote=Skinny Tee;434029][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8001"]Marques Colston - New Orleans Saints - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL] - Marques Colston
If we use our first pick on a WR I will be disappointed. WRs with size and ability can be found later in the draft as evident in the link above. Granted, this is the extreme case in which it pans out, the Skins should be able to grab a tall, system compatiable, receiver later in the draft, if it is so necessary. I feel using our 1st pick on a WR would poorly start out our most significant draft in the past 5 years.[/quote] I completely agree, I'm completely against the idea of drafting a WR in 1st rd.. There are plenty of WRs later in late drafts; beside all WRs who are projected to be 1st rder - they weren't all hyped like last yr with Calvin Johnson.. And yet look what happened to him last season.. |
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[QUOTE=billyredskin;434019]I have always felt that you can get solid value offensive lineman in the later rounds- 4th, 5th and 6th rounds. I REALLY believe we need to get an offensive playmaker with that first pick. I think either Limas Sweed, Malcomb Kelly or Desean Jackson will be available at that point and we need to get them. We may not have had much luck drafting receivers in the first round over the last 10 or so years (insert Michael Westbrook here) but I think these 3 receivers are going to be very good.[/QUOTE]
I agree that we should use later rounds for oline, but in the first round I'm not completely sold on the fact that any of those three really even deserve to be picked in the first round. |
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our needs are just too prominent to draft OL in the earlier rounds. If someone really big-name is still available in the late 2nd round, I wouldnt be opposed to trading up but it would have to be someone good. Alot of O linemen can be found in the later rounds and the "big name" guys are sometimes overrated... Robert Gallery anyone? The first round and early 2nd are just too big of spots to take a gamble on a position that we dont need to spend that pick on. I would rather spent a 1st rounder on a DB, and it be bust than to spend it on a position we dont need as badly and they be a future hall of famer. Need-based risk = potential high reward IMO.
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Quality OL are always found on day two. I hope Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly has a good showing early next month. His 40-time cannot hurt him so I'm unsure why he's making everybody wait for his personal workout. This is a big reciever with soft hands who has drooped only two passes in the last two years as a starter and has the productivity you look for for.
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OL is a spot where you can pick up quality talent in the later rounds. I think we have other more pressing needs.
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[quote=Mattyk72;434110]OL is a spot where you can pick up quality talent in the later rounds. I think we have other more pressing needs.[/quote]
I agree for the most part, but if B. Albert is available at #21 I think it's a tough decision. O linemean are available in later rounds, but there's also a smaller bust factor in picking them. Of course there's the mandarich & gallery examples, but I can't think of many more. I always think of 2000 as a great example of draft decision making; we took Samuels w/the #3 pick & passed on Peter Warrick, who the bengals got a couple picks later I think. We got a durable, franchise all pro LT & warrick is a career journeyman. I'm not saying that it's that simple for the front office, but I think if an o line prospect looks really good, the probability seems high that the pick pays off in the end. Albert looks as close to a sure thing as there is. |
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Looking back at the original Hogs, May was a first round pick and Grimm was 3rd round.
Jacoby was a free agent. Bostic was cut by Eagles and we signed him to be long snapper. I'm not 100% positive on how we acquired Strake. I feel we can find good OL in later round or via UDFA. |
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The more I hear about Albert- the more I like the guy. I hope the skins take him in the first. And, the more I think about it the interior of the OL, G and C, needs help more than any other area on the team. Then DT, DE, S, CB. I'd be very happy if the first 4 picks were on the DL and OL. Although the 1st rounder needs to be BAP. May turn out to be a corner. Still I'd be annoyed if the skins pass on Albert. Monster guard- safe pick. And, Samuals-Albert on the left side would be pretty impossing for the next few years.
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[quote=riggins44;434117]Looking back at the original Hogs, May was a first round pick and Grimm was 3rd round.
Jacoby was a free agent. Bostic was cut by Eagles and we signed him to be long snapper. I'm not 100% positive on how we acquired Strake. I feel we can find good OL in later round or via UDFA.[/quote] That was twenty years ago. Unless your recounting their aquitisions for your own pleasure, citing the template of a system we used in a land far away isn't going to aid this discussion. I like the pick because its not sexy. The more unsexy picks the Skins have in this draft the more we're building the core of our team. The Skins need a couple of these picks in this draft. |
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;434016]Didn't we try to move a tackle into a guard spot already, and it didn't work out? I think Heyer should be groomed to replace either Jansen or Samuels.[/QUOTE]
If you are speaking of Todd Wade that guy is horrible anyway! I agree with the grooming for Jansen (cause he will be gone or retired a few years before Samuel) but if we get injury's w/ Kendall or Thomas, Heyer has that footwork to play gaurd! I think that kid is going to be a big piece of our O-Line in years to come |
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I don't think that this forum is even necessary. We have waaaay to many holes to fill to be drafting an O-lineman in the first round,
Plus, the poll here says that the O-Line is the LAST place where we need immediate help. If we did just that, we'd be behind the 8-ball again at the positions we need the most. Meanwhile, we'd be hoping that marginal, lower graded, and non-first round talent would provide larger returns than expected because we chose to address depth instead of need. I'm sure most people would say that B. Albert would come right in and start, but we all know that he isn't going to unseat a veteran like Kendal or Thomas just because he was taken first. He would be a top-tier reserve and that's it. We would still have no pass rushing DE, no CB in case Rogers doesn't come through and Springs leave next year, and we would still have to choose from what is available after there is a sure fire run at the tall, rangy, possession-type WRs at the end of the first round. We have one of the best O-line coaches in the business in Joe Bugel, and if he can turn Stephon Heyer, and undrafted free agent, into the player that he is now, then we can surely expect for him to do that with a lower round pick on our O-Line. |
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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;434149]I dont think that this forum is even necessary. We have waaaay to many holes to fill to be drafting an O-lineman in the first round,
Plus, the poll here says that the O-Line is the LAST place where we need immediate help. If we did just that, we'd be behind the 8-ball again at the positions we need the most. Allthewhile, we'd be hoping that marginal, lower graded, and non-first round talent would provide larger returns than expected because we chose to address depth instead of need. Im sure most people would say that B. Albert would come right in and start, but we all know that he isnt going to unseat a veteran like Kendal or Thomas just because he was taken first. He would be a top-tier reserve and thats it. We would still have no pass rushing DE, no CB in case Rogers doesnt come thru and Springs leave next year, and we would still have to choose from what is available after there is a sure fire run at the tall, rangy, posession-type WRs at the end of the frist round. We have one fo the best O-line coaches in the Biz, and if he can turn Stephon Heyer, and undrafted free agent, into the player that he is now, then we can surely expect for him to do that with a lower round pick on our O-Line.[/quote] IMO Albert could come in and unseat Kendall very easily. Kendall was solid but he isn't going to hold up for 16 games with his knees and age. Let me ask you this. In 05 and 07 we made the playoffs and why did we lose those games? Or what was a big reason we lost? Cause we could not move the chains and get a 1/2 a yard on 4th down and an inability to protect the passer. Both years we had injuries to the o-line and had no depth. I'm not sure what the stats are for short yardage but I'd be willing to bet that we were at the bottom at converting 3rd and 4th down with a yard or less. IMO we simply can not ignore the line anymore. Especially with the age of Thomas and Kendall. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;434110]OL is a spot where you can pick up quality talent in the later rounds. I think we have other more pressing needs.[/quote]
Couldn't you say that about any position? IMO we need to take the best player available at 21 as long as he doesn't play QB, RB or TE. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;434152]IMO Albert could come in and unseat Kendall very easily. Kendall was solid but he isn't going to hold up for 16 games with his knees and age. Let me ask you this. In 05 and 07 we made the playoffs and why did we lose those games? Or what was a big reason we lost? Cause we could not move the chains and get a 1/2 a yard on 4th down and an inability to protect the passer. Both years we had injuries to the o-line and had no depth. I'm not sure what the stats are for short yardage but I'd be willing to bet that we were at the bottom at converting 3rd and 4th down with a yard or less. IMO we simply can not ignore the line anymore. Especially with the age of Thomas and Kendall.[/quote]Good summary.
Albert, if he is still available, would be the best use of our first round pick. We will definately have to address D-Line this year at some point, but the second round looks like a place where a DLman who has a first round grade could fall to us...and then all of a sudden we have two "first round" picks and a great draft. |
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[quote=skinzaholic73;433993]Thanks man! Yes I have read on a few sites that C.Campbell is now most likely a 2nd rd. pick.[/quote]
Scouts are saying he may drop out of the first day all together. He looked slow and overweight at the combine. Put up DB #'s in the bench press... and now showed up at the Miami Pro day even more overweight and sluggish. If this guy won't work to get in shape now what makes you think he'll do it after he gets paid. I want no part of Campbell in this draft. |
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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;434149]I don't think that this forum is even necessary. We have waaaay to many holes to fill to be drafting an O-lineman in the first round,
Plus, the poll here says that the O-Line is the LAST place where we need immediate help. If we did just that, we'd be behind the 8-ball again at the positions we need the most. Meanwhile, we'd be hoping that marginal, lower graded, and non-first round talent would provide larger returns than expected because we chose to address depth instead of need. I'm sure most people would say that B. Albert would come right in and start, but we all know that he isn't going to unseat a veteran like Kendal or Thomas just because he was taken first. He would be a top-tier reserve and that's it. We would still have no pass rushing DE, no CB in case Rogers doesn't come through and Springs leave next year, and we would still have to choose from what is available after there is a sure fire run at the tall, rangy, possession-type WRs at the end of the first round. We have one of the best O-line coaches in the business in Joe Bugel, and if he can turn Stephon Heyer, and undrafted free agent, into the player that he is now, then we can surely expect for him to do that with a lower round pick on our O-Line.[/quote] Heyer impressed last year and he may turn out to be an above average OL for the skins but he is not in the same class as Albert. Many times our offense was handcuffed because of his liabilities as a pass protector. I have no doubt Albert would take over a starting role on the skins OL next season... He's that good |
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It'd be hard to pass up on Albert if he's there. But I do wonder if part of all this talk of getting a WR in the first round, and hardly any talk of an OL is a reflection of the team's lack of faith in Stan Hixon's ability to fully develop a WR from the scrap heap. True, we all talk about Anthony Mix but by and large we don't (and doesn't seem the FO does much either) associate Hixon with being a good teacher who can develop some raw talent; like we do with Bugel and the OL or even now Zorn and QBs.
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;434152]IMO Albert could come in and unseat Kendall very easily. Kendall was solid but he isn't going to hold up for 16 games with his knees and age. Let me ask you this. In 05 and 07 we made the playoffs and why did we lose those games? Or what was a big reason we lost? Cause we could not move the chains and get a 1/2 a yard on 4th down and an inability to protect the passer. Both years we had injuries to the o-line and had no depth. I'm not sure what the stats are for short yardage but I'd be willing to bet that we were at the bottom at converting 3rd and 4th down with a yard or less. IMO we simply can not ignore the line anymore. Especially with the age of Thomas and Kendall.[/QUOTE]
The reason we lost teh '05 playoff wasnt due to poor o-lineplay. As I recall we finished the season as oneof thebest rushing teams in the league. Portis had a few 100 yd games in a row. The REAL reason we lost the game was the predictability of the playcalling. It was out of date and J Gibbs subsequently hired Al Saunders to spice up the offense. As for 07-08, we suffered injuries ACROSS the board at CB. LB. OL, and Collins threw 2 interceptions that were returned for scores. It would be foolish to blame both loses on the Oline. In the playoffs, if you can not run and pass well you will lose. Its great thatt u have a man-crush on B Albert and all, cuz I am the mayor of Jordy-ville, but why would u automatically assume a rookie can unseat a veteran like that. No jobs are given away in the league and especially with the Redskins ofensive line. I mean I dont even expect J Nelson to start if we get him. Eventually he CAN, but he will not receive a 1st round de facto starting position. I will say that he has thepotential to beat him in camp, but im not gonna assume he will start. We need top tier talen at CB and DE. Period. We can find WR and OLineman later on. If we were to take them in the first, I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be protest either. Any pick can help. My philosophy is to address need int he first round, unless you have a top 15 pick/or somoen great falls to you like Randy Moss did when he came around. |
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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;434241]The reason we lost teh '05 playoff wasnt due to poor o-lineplay. As I recall we finished the season as oneof thebest rushing teams in the league. Portis had a few 100 yd games in a row. The REAL reason we lost the game was the predictability of the playcalling. It was out of date and J Gibbs subsequently hired Al Saunders to spice up the offense.
As for 07-08, we suffered injuries ACROSS the board at CB. LB. OL, and Collins threw 2 interceptions that were returned for scores. It would be foolish to blame both loses on the Oline. In the playoffs, if you can not run and pass well you will lose. Its great thatt u have a man-crush on B Albert and all, cuz I am the mayor of Jordy-ville, but why would u automatically assume a rookie can unseat a veteran like that. No jobs are given away in the league and especially with the Redskins ofensive line. I mean I dont even expect J Nelson to start if we get him. Eventually he CAN, but he will not receive a 1st round de facto starting position. I will say that he has thepotential to beat him in camp, but im not gonna assume he will start. We need top tier talen at CB and DE. Period. We can find WR and OLineman later on. If we were to take them in the first, I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be protest either. Any pick can help. My philosophy is to address need int he first round, unless you have a top 15 pick/or somoen great falls to you like Randy Moss did when he came around.[/quote] I beg to differ. In 05 R. Thomas was out & our running game suffered. This past year, the right side of the line couldn't stop Seattle's 1 on 1 pass rush. Kerney abused Heyer as expected. Can't blame the kid, he was just a rook. We were lucky that Kerney's hit on Collins was called an incomplete pass, it looked clear that it was a fumble. The reason we had some success is we went to the no huddle & kept them off guard. I agree, DE & CB are big needs, but our O line hasn't had any real depth for a no. of years. Albert seems a better prospect than most of the guys that are likely to be there for us at #21. If we were talking about picking in the top 10 I wouldn't argue that he's worth taking, cause then we'd be able to land one of the top DEs. i.e. Albert might be the "best player available" when we pick. |
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[QUOTE=freddyg12;434242]I beg to differ. In 05 R. Thomas was out & our running game suffered. This past year, the right side of the line couldn't stop Seattle's 1 on 1 pass rush. Kerney abused Heyer as expected. Can't blame the kid, he was just a rook. We were lucky that Kerney's hit on Collins was called an incomplete pass, it looked clear that it was a fumble. The reason we had some success is we went to the no huddle & kept them off guard.
I agree, DE & CB are big needs, but our O line hasn't had any real depth for a no. of years. Albert seems a better prospect than most of the guys that are likely to be there for us at #21. If we were talking about picking in the top 10 I wouldn't argue that he's worth taking, cause then we'd be able to land one of the top DEs. i.e. Albert might be the "best player available" when we pick.[/QUOTE] The only way I would draft Brandon Albert is if I was sure that Jordy Nelson would drop to us in the third round, if not I'm not sure I'd be happy using a second on him, or maybe we could trade down from our second and get some picks and get him a little later. |
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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;434241]The reason we lost teh '05 playoff wasnt due to poor o-lineplay. As I recall we finished the season as oneof thebest rushing teams in the league. Portis had a few 100 yd games in a row. The REAL reason we lost the game was the predictability of the playcalling. It was out of date and J Gibbs subsequently hired Al Saunders to spice up the offense.
As for 07-08, we suffered injuries ACROSS the board at CB. LB. OL, and Collins threw 2 interceptions that were returned for scores. It would be foolish to blame both loses on the Oline. In the playoffs, if you can not run and pass well you will lose. Its great thatt u have a man-crush on B Albert and all, cuz I am the mayor of Jordy-ville, but why would u automatically assume a rookie can unseat a veteran like that. No jobs are given away in the league and especially with the Redskins ofensive line. I mean I dont even expect J Nelson to start if we get him. Eventually he CAN, but he will not receive a 1st round de facto starting position. I will say that he has thepotential to beat him in camp, but im not gonna assume he will start. We need top tier talen at CB and DE. Period. We can find WR and OLineman later on. If we were to take them in the first, I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be protest either. Any pick can help. My philosophy is to address need int he first round, unless you have a top 15 pick/or somoen great falls to you like Randy Moss did when he came around.[/quote] Well I'm not going to argue about Gibbs' playcalling cause I didn't like it. But if you recall in 05 we had 55 year old Ray Brown playing guard and he got hurt. In comes Cory Raymer and all hell broke lose. Yes Collins threw 2 picks but if you recall before that we couldn't sustain drives because of an inability to pick up 3rd/4th and shorts. Plus Collins was getting killed by Kerney, Pederson and co. Injuries were part of it cause we're mising Thomas and Jansen. But we couldn't over come it because of a lack of depth at the RG position. Fabini and Kendall are stop gaps. Remember the Giants game? Couldn't get any movement two plays in a row on the goaline. People can blame Betts all they want but Kendall just isn't the best option. We need a young road grader in there who is versitile. We need a guy like Raliegh Mackenzie. I agree with the need for a DE. IMO I just think you still win games in the trenches and the NYG proved that in the SB. If we can get some guys that can rush the passer, open holes for CP and protect JC then we can take the next step. |
Re: We must draft OL early!
[QUOTE=skinsfan69;434309]Well I'm not going to argue about Gibbs' playcalling cause I didn't like it. But if you recall in 05 we had 55 year old Ray Brown playing guard and he got hurt. In comes Cory Raymer and all hell broke lose.
Yes Collins threw 2 picks but if you recall before that we couldn't sustain drives because of an inability to pick up 3rd/4th and shorts. Plus Collins was getting killed by Kerney, Pederson and co. Injuries were part of it cause we're mising Thomas and Jansen. But we couldn't over come it because of a lack of depth at the RG position. Fabini and Kendall are stop gaps. Remember the Giants game? Couldn't get any movement two plays in a row on the goaline. People can blame Betts all they want but Kendall just isn't the best option. We need a young road grader in there who is versitile. We need a guy like Raliegh Mackenzie. I agree with the need for a DE. IMO I just think you still win games in the trenches and the NYG proved that in the SB. If we can get some guys that can rush the passer, open holes for CP and protect JC then we can take the next step.[/QUOTE] Well, u r right about Raymer because I do remember that. However, like the playcalling there were several reason that we lost that game (including the droppped int for a TD by carlos rogers). This year on 3rd and 4th and short, our playcalling was part of it too. Gibbs and AS playcalling were overly predictable and the the box was stacked because they knew we were going to run, and usually when the box is stacked with 8 men it doesnt matter how good your o-line is because there are only 5 of them. The seahawks blitzed more to get pressure, than relying on there four man rush. The blitzing that they did do, focused on the gaps at or near PAtrick Kerney, who was wiping his @ss with Heyer(I think Jansen would have held that down much better), and that allowed him to get consistent pressure. Regardless of how you look at it, the turnovers and the lack of matchup problems we had against there secondary really killed us. We couldn't run, our passing game was holistically inefficient, and those 2 picks hurt, bad! As for Betts and the Giants game. All Ima say is PLAY CALLING and COACHING. 1) If/when you get down to the goal line, you have to be willing to mix it up. If I remember we ran either 3 of four times in a row, and two of those plays were the same play. We should have passed at least half of that time if we were gonna use all 4 downs. 2) If you are gonna go for it on the last play of the game, USE YOUR BEST PLAYER! Using 2nd string in a siutation like that is unacceptable. Plus, if you do go down you go down with your best talent so that no one, like I am doing now, will be able to bring that up as a reason why we lost. Even if you feel cool with Betts in there, POrtis should have gotten that last carry. I think his experience would have at least kep thim from trippin over someone's leg. After that who knows, maybe we go to the Superbowl with a diff playoff seed. Like the one the Giants had. Overall, our O-Line play has not been an egregious flaw in our team's personnel, and to draft an OT/OG in the first would suggest that it is that flawed that we need toi use our first pick to patch it up. When in reality it would be a depth pick. DE/CB/WR = 1st round wothry picks for us |
Re: We must draft OL early!
Just saw on espn. Reche Caldwell signs with the rams for a one year deal
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Re: We must draft OL early!
[QUOTE=WaldSkins;434485]Just saw on espn. Reche Caldwell signs with the rams for a one year deal[/QUOTE]
I think you posted this seconds before I started a new thread :) |
Re: We must draft OL early!
[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;434029]
If we use our first pick on a WR I will be disappointed. WRs with size and ability can be found later in the draft as evident in the link above. Granted, this is the extreme case in which it pans out, the Skins should be able to grab a tall, system compatiable, receiver later in the draft, if it is so necessary. I feel using our 1st pick on a WR would poorly start out our most significant draft in the past 5 years.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Offensive line must be addressed first. We could pick up some WR like Marcus Monk in round 3(I heard his stock is rising). |
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