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Bill B 04-24-2008 07:17 AM

Philip Merling Article
 
Just wanted to post an article about Philip Merling who may be an intersting pick at 21. He is working out for teams today. I actually think that Merling's injury may let him slip to the Skins at 21.....

[URL="http://www.thestate.com/tigers/story/384796.html"]The State | 04/24/2008 | Seeing is believing[/URL]

He has visited four teams: Minnesota (which reportedly has traded the No. 17 overall pick), Tampa Bay (No. 20), Washington (No. 21) and San Francisco (No. 29).
However, Cincinnati (No. 9) and Detroit (No. 15) and Jacksonville (No. 26) have also quietly expressed significant interest — a validation of his versatility because of those teams’ varied defensive schemes.
Pro scouts view him as a fit at strongside end in a conventional 4-3 defense, an outside tackle in a 3-4 defense or even an inside tackle in the Tampa 2.
[B]"To me, he's a top-15 player in this draft," NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said.[/B] "If he falls into the 20s, I think it's directly attributable to the fact teams are nervous because they can't test him.
"Phillip Merling to me is one of the most intriguing questions in this year's draft. And the reason is, he's going to be healthy for the season. Matter of fact, he's going to be healthy for training camp. So all 32 teams know they're going to get a healthy player despite the fact he just had surgery. The problem is, all 32 teams are so heavily dependent on the measurables the 40, the vertical jump, all that stuff — and they're not going to get the chance to test this kid.

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 07:23 AM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
Moving this to the NFL Draft forum

SC Skins Fan 04-24-2008 08:42 AM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
I've never seen him play, and can't find any decent film of him on the internet. Just that horrible TV clips which show absolutely nothing. But strong side end would fill a need so it would make sense. The Heath Miller comparisons also are helpful for me since I remember how he fell pretty far (if you consider late 1st far) after not being able to work out but having a dominant college career. Just a couple more days ....

Again, having not seen him play, the descriptions of him make me think of Kenard Lang. Stout player who lacked elite pass rush ability. Also came out as a junior with some talk that if he had stayed he might have been a top 10 pick ... taken #17 by the Skins ... I guess it is those mental images of Kenard Lang that make it hard for me to get real excited about Merling. Lang was good, but not great, serviceable (moving between end and tackle) but never really a game changer or big-time impact player. If someone is more familiar with Merling give me your opinion on whether the Lang comparison is accurate or whether Merling might be a more explosive player ... or am I being unfair to Lang?

PSUSkinsFan21 04-24-2008 08:50 AM

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This is so typical of the NFL these days. The guy's stock is almost certainly going to drop because teams don't have the "all important" 40 time and cone drills and such to work off of. The guy put together a great career playing in the SEC......either he can play or he can't play, and you don't find that out with a stopwatch, you find it out by looking at past performance. The more I see and hear about Merling, the more I think he'd be a great pick for us at 21. I personally could care less what his workout numbers would have looked like. Particularly for defensive guys, what good is a 4.40 40 if you take a full second longer than a guy that runs a 4.60 40 to diagnose a play and react? And what good does it do you to be 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier if you don't have an arsenal of decent moves to get by the tackle and get to the QB? I'm not saying workout numbers don't serve any purpose, but the weight they are given is just ridiculous.

SouperMeister 04-24-2008 09:00 AM

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;442304][B]This is so typical of the NFL these days. The guy's stock is almost certainly going to drop because teams don't have the "all important" 40 time and cone drills and such to work off of.[/B] The guy put together a great career playing in the SEC......either he can play or he can't play, and you don't find that out with a stopwatch, you find it out by looking at past performance. The more I see and hear about Merling, the more I think he'd be a great pick for us at 21. I personally could care less what his workout numbers would have looked like. Particularly for defensive guys, what good is a 4.40 40 if you take a full second longer than a guy that runs a 4.60 40 to diagnose a play and react? And what good does it do you to be 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier if you don't have an arsenal of decent moves to get by the tackle and get to the QB? I'm not saying workout numbers don't serve any purpose, but the weight they are given is just ridiculous.[/quote]AMEN. Every year there's a Mike Mamula in the draft, a workout warrior who jumps into the first round based on great combine numbers. Then there are those like Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, and Cris Carter who slide due to slower than expected 40 times. My take: look at the film, trust the film. Film doesn't lie.

MTK 04-24-2008 09:22 AM

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I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?

Bill B 04-24-2008 09:27 AM

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[quote=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/quote]

Matty - I would be happy with eiher to tell you the truth - I just don't want to see us trade away the pick unless we get a multiple amount of picks to trade down. I know the Skins have said they like to acquire players via trade, free agency and the draft - lets just let the draft be the answer this year for once and let our cap get a breather.

Rajmahal33 04-24-2008 09:33 AM

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I have two buddies who went to clemson (one of which is a sportswriter in greenville) that are very high on this kid (more so than other clemson players in this draft and previous ones). His combine showing was mediocre but they swear that this guy is the next Strahan (physically and intangibly). I was told that he isn't exceptional in any one facet but is above average at everything. The word to describe him was, consistency, cuz he always shows up and was 100% on every play. He could be a good pickup to complement a pure pass rusher like Carter.

SC Skins Fan 04-24-2008 10:07 AM

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[quote=Rajmahal33;442318]I have two buddies who went to clemson (one of which is a sportswriter in greenville) that are very high on this kid (more so than other clemson players in this draft and previous ones). His combine showing was mediocre but they swear that this guy is the next Strahan (physically and intangibly). I was told that he isn't exceptional in any one facet but is above average at everything. The word to describe him was, consistency, cuz he always shows up and was 100% on every play. He could be a good pickup to complement a pure pass rusher like Carter.[/quote]

Thanks. Well, sounds pretty good to me ... hopefully they are right if that turns out to be the pick. A Strahan would be nice. So would you say they were higher on him than on Gaines Adams last year (see you say higher on him than players in previous drafts)?

celts32 04-24-2008 10:11 AM

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[QUOTE=Bill B;442314]Matty - I would be happy with eiher to tell you the truth - I just don't want to see us trade away the pick unless we get a multiple amount of picks to trade down. I know the Skins have said they like to acquire players via trade, free agency and the draft - lets just let the draft be the answer this year for once and let our cap get a breather.[/QUOTE]

I would trade this pick for one extra 2 as long as the 1st 2 was a high one. Atlanta & KC fit the bill with multiple picks in round 2 but those are teams that need a lot of bodies and may not be interested in a trade up.

If I have to stay at 21 and had those 2 on the board I think Merling is probably the better choice and we could come back with a WR in round 2 or 3. I am just betting the WR depth will be better in rounds 2 & 3 then the DL depth will be.

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 10:37 AM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/QUOTE]

Definitely Merling. For me there is no elite, must-have WR in the 1st round. This isn't to say Merling is a must-have, elite either. Ideally we trade out of that #21 slot and pick up more picks later.

Just saying I'd rather have Merling in the 1st then take a WR even in the 3rd round (Bennett? Caldwell?), than take Kelly in the 1st then take a DE later.

EDIT: Didn't realize I essentially said the same thing celt did

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 10:38 AM

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[QUOTE=celts32;442336]I would trade this pick for one extra 2 as long as the 1st 2 was a high one. Atlanta & KC fit the bill with multiple picks in round 2 but those are teams that need a lot of bodies and may not be interested in a trade up.

If I have to stay at 21 and had those 2 on the board I think Merling is probably the better choice and we could come back with a WR in round 2 or 3. I am just betting the WR depth will be better in rounds 2 & 3 then the DL depth will be.[/QUOTE]

I like the idea of trading with KC and getting their 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Slingin Sammy 33 04-24-2008 11:00 AM

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[quote=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/quote]
Merling. Or move down a few spots, get an extra pick and pick up Lawrence Jackson, DE from USC

That Guy 04-24-2008 12:28 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/quote]

pass on kelly with the slow running and the terrible knees for the bigger impact position which is also a harder need to fill.

SouperMeister 04-24-2008 01:56 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/quote]Merling without question. It's much easier to find impact WRs after the 1st round than impact DE's. Regarding Kelly, I think that he'll be an excellent pro also, despite slower 40 times. As I said earlier, look at the tape - it doesn't lie.

Dirtbag59 04-24-2008 02:29 PM

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"At least 11 other teams had representatives in attendance: Baltimore, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Miami, Green Bay, Carolina, New York Jets, New York Giants, Buffalo, Jacksonville and Tampa Bay."

That bodes well for us gettting a chance to select Merling at 21. The only team on that list that worries me is Tampa Bay, as they could be dreaming of pairing Adams and Merling together in back to back years. However other then that as long as Brown remains an idiot and Bidwill follows suit then we'll be in good position to take Merling at 21 on draft day.

SC Skins Fan 04-24-2008 04:42 PM

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Does anyone else find it odd how public the Redskins are being about their interest in Merling and Kelly? Flying in Snyder, etc. When they wanted Campbell back in 2005 they flew in a contingent secretly. Now word got out nonetheless, but it just doesn't seem to fit the pattern of this regime to be so obvious in their desires? Is that indicative of a change of strategy with Gibbs gone and Vinny in the lead or does it smell of subterfuge?

skinsfan_nn 04-24-2008 05:10 PM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
DE/Merling and WR/Kelly work out updated. JLC blog

Posted at 3:56 PM ET, 04/24/2008
En Route To Oklahoma (UPDATED - And JC Is Rolling With Them)

So the Skins hearty contingent, including the owner and vp of football ops and head coach, has indeed left Clemson, where DE Phillip Merling worked out, and should be working out Malcolm Kelly shortly, the WR prospect.

Also, starting quarterback Jason Campbell is with the Skins and flying to Oklahoma, so you would have to imagine he'll be throwing some passes Kelly's way.

As for Merling, spoke to some people down there at the workout. The kid is working through sports hernia surgery - no small deal - but went hard for 45 minutes, I am told. He was out there by himself and showed very well. About half the league had a representative there, but the Skins large contingent certainly drew ample attention.

Merling is tough as nails, and took a needle to the groin every Saturday just to be ablel to get on the field with Clemson, gutting through the hernia (the injury caused him to miss the physical part of the combine, and thus he held his workout today, on the last possible day). Scouts I talk to say he has strong character and is very stout at the point of attack ("He's not going to get outflanked," one said). He does not project to be a big sack guy, but could be a beast against the run (and considering what the Skins are looking for on the strong side, he sounds like a younger Phillip Daniels, with better upside). Could be good for a handful of sacks as well.

"The kid's a pretty safe pick," one scout said.

Also, another name to watch on the second day of the draft is San Diego QB Josh Johnson, sources said. Johnson had a very good visit to Redskins Park and has been in touch with coach Jim Zorn, team sources said. He may not last until the 4th round, and that's a bit higher than where the Skins would probably like to take a QB given he would be a project and behind Campbell and Todd Collins for a while, but it's certainly worth watching with Zorn so closely tied to the QB position.

Ruhskins 04-24-2008 08:40 PM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;442551]DE/Merling and WR/Kelly work out updated. JLC blog

Posted at 3:56 PM ET, 04/24/2008
En Route To Oklahoma (UPDATED - And JC Is Rolling With Them)

So the Skins hearty contingent, including the owner and vp of football ops and head coach, has indeed left Clemson, where DE Phillip Merling worked out, and should be working out Malcolm Kelly shortly, the WR prospect.

Also, starting quarterback Jason Campbell is with the Skins and flying to Oklahoma, so you would have to imagine he'll be throwing some passes Kelly's way.

As for Merling, spoke to some people down there at the workout. The kid is working through sports hernia surgery - no small deal - but went hard for 45 minutes, I am told. He was out there by himself and showed very well. About half the league had a representative there, but the Skins large contingent certainly drew ample attention.

Merling is tough as nails, and took a needle to the groin every Saturday just to be ablel to get on the field with Clemson, gutting through the hernia (the injury caused him to miss the physical part of the combine, and thus he held his workout today, on the last possible day). Scouts I talk to say he has strong character and is very stout at the point of attack ("He's not going to get outflanked," one said). He does not project to be a big sack guy, but could be a beast against the run (and considering what the Skins are looking for on the strong side, he sounds like a younger Phillip Daniels, with better upside). Could be good for a handful of sacks as well.

"The kid's a pretty safe pick," one scout said.

Also, another name to watch on the second day of the draft is San Diego QB Josh Johnson, sources said. Johnson had a very good visit to Redskins Park and has been in touch with coach Jim Zorn, team sources said. He may not last until the 4th round, and that's a bit higher than where the Skins would probably like to take a QB given he would be a project and behind Campbell and Todd Collins for a while, but it's certainly worth watching with Zorn so closely tied to the QB position.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like Merling would be a nice compliment to Carter at the DE position.

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 09:09 PM

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I think he's all but a lock to be our pick at #21. I think he'll probably be there when we pick and if he is, unless some great offer comes along we're taking Merling at 21.

mooby 04-24-2008 09:23 PM

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I hope I'm wrong when I say this, but to me Phillip Merling is more of a run stuffing defensive end then a pass rusher. I was watching some of his highlights on NFLN today and he didn't really stand out as a pass rusher.

Slingin Sammy 33 04-24-2008 09:25 PM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
[quote=SmootSmack;442597]I think he's all but a lock to be our pick at #21. I think he'll probably be there when we pick and if he is, unless some great offer comes along we're taking Merling at 21.[/quote]
Good stuff, I hope he is there for us.

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 09:54 PM

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[QUOTE=mooby;442610]I hope I'm wrong when I say this, but to me Phillip Merling is more of a run stuffing defensive end then a pass rusher. I was watching some of his highlights on NFLN today and he didn't really stand out as a pass rusher.[/QUOTE]

Well, here are several things I've heard (in no particular order)

-Blache loves Daniels (but I think we all knew that already) and would ideally like to get a similar player seeing as to Daniels is a bit long in the tooth

-They don't want to draft a pure pass rusher. Meaning they don't want someone who's only value is really against the pass because they realize AC's weakness is playing the run. They don't want that issue at both ends

-The team is really high on Wilson (and supposedly Buzbee, to a much lesser extent) and think he can really excel as their unofficial "sack specialist" and they like the idea of having a "young Daniels" that can slide to the inside effectively on situations where Wilson would come in

So all the above kind of points to Merling

-Also, I think they're trading their 2nd round pick

Dirtbag59 04-24-2008 10:14 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;442625]
-Also, I think they're trading their 2nd round pick[/quote]

I think they're going to trade their 2nd round pick as well, but what do you think they'll trade it for? Personally I think the team will trade up with the Jets for a shot at Jordy or Malcolm.

Slingin Sammy 33 04-24-2008 10:23 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;442625]-Also, I think they're trading their 2nd round pick[/quote]
WHAT...WHAT...WHAAAAAT !!!!!

For what,or rather whom? Don't hold out on us O keeper of behind the scenes knowledge.

SmootSmack 04-24-2008 10:50 PM

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For more picks in later rounds (possibly later in the 2nd and early 4th and 5th). I don't exactly know. I just know that they're starting to think that that pick might be easier to trade and help them achieve their goal of stocking up on mid-round picks. And they think there are a couple of potential trade partners.

It will really depend on how the draft unfolds.

Skinny Tee 04-24-2008 10:56 PM

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I like the sound of Merling with our first. WR shouldn't be that big of a need that we need to address with our early picks.

Stuck in TX 04-24-2008 11:42 PM

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Its all up and crazy right now. I just watched the Sports Center Mock Draft Special and they have us getting Merling as well, but with almost the entire first ten picks, there was almost always a mention of trading up or down. I would not be surprised if anything happened. Every year it gets more and more unpredicatable! As far as Merling is concerned, I think he would be a great pickup but only because the CB talent is low this year. I would much rather draft a CB in round one. Maybe next year.

Ruhskins 04-25-2008 02:13 AM

Re: Philip Merling Article
 
[QUOTE=mooby;442610]I hope I'm wrong when I say this, but to me Phillip Merling is more of a run stuffing defensive end then a pass rusher. I was watching some of his highlights on NFLN today and he didn't really stand out as a pass rusher.[/QUOTE]

We already have a pass rusher in Carter, we need a run-stopping DE and someone to eventually replace Daniels.

killromo 04-25-2008 09:46 AM

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;442551]DE/Merling and WR/Kelly work out updated. JLC blog

Also, starting quarterback Jason Campbell is with the Skins and flying to Oklahoma, so you would have to imagine he'll be throwing some passes Kelly's way.[/QUOTE]

I like the sound of Merling, I hope he is there for us. He sounds like a pretty tough mofo and a nice compliment to our line. Off topic, but what I really like about this update from JLC is JC's visible commitment to the team, flying out to test out the WR prospects. He has wonderful character and is really doing everything he can to be the best he can and help out. I am really excited about him this year working with Zorn, I feel a breakout year for him and he most definitely deserves it!

SmootSmack 04-25-2008 11:09 AM

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[QUOTE=killromo;442725]I like the sound of Merling, I hope he is there for us. He sounds like a pretty tough mofo and a nice compliment to our line. Off topic, but what I really like about this update from JLC is JC's visible commitment to the team, flying out to test out the WR prospects. He has wonderful character and is really doing everything he can to be the best he can and help out. I am really excited about him this year working with Zorn, I feel a breakout year for him and he most definitely deserves it![/QUOTE]

Remember Jason Campbell flew out to LSU to throw to Dwayne Bowe last year

SmootSmack 04-25-2008 09:57 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;442312]I think it will be interesting if Merling and Malcolm Kelly are both available at #21. What to do then?[/QUOTE]

Here's another, very possible scenario, what do you do:

A) 1st round-Limas Sweed, 2nd round-Calais Campbell

B) 1st round-Phillip Merling, 2nd round-Jordy Nelson (will probably need to trade our 2nd and 3rd to move up to the top of the 2nd round for this)

Slingin Sammy 33 04-25-2008 10:57 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;442900]Here's another, very possible scenario, what do you do:

A) 1st round-Limas Sweed, 2nd round-Calais Campbell

B) 1st round-Phillip Merling, 2nd round-Jordy Nelson (will probably need to trade our 2nd and 3rd to move up to the top of the 2nd round for this)[/quote]
Definitely B, without the move up for Jordy. If Jordy isn't there take the best available CB, Godfrey from Iowa.

SmootSmack 04-25-2008 11:00 PM

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;442917]Definitely B, without the move up for Jordy. If Jordy isn't there take the best available CB, Godfrey from Iowa.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying you would only do B if we didn't have to trade up for JN?

SKINSnCANES 04-26-2008 01:54 PM

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i dont like the notion of trading our second round pick for mid round picks...Id much much rather trade mid rounds with our second to move up slightly in the second to ensure we get the guy we want

SmootSmack 04-26-2008 01:57 PM

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;443090]i dont like the notion of trading our second round pick for mid round picks...Id much much rather trade mid rounds with our second to move up slightly in the second to ensure we get the guy we want[/QUOTE]

Sort of like we did for McIntosh


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