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SmootSmack 05-06-2008 12:43 AM

Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes
 
I'm sure you're all aware of this disgusting story that emerged out of Austria last week. The man who locked his 12 year old daughter in a dungeon 24 years ago and repeatedly raped her fathering seven children with her

There's more here (and other places too I'm sure)

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/ap_on_re_eu/austria_captive_daughter_68]AP Interview: Austrian wife clueless of daughter's captivity - Yahoo! News[/url]

But perhaps the lawyers on this site can help me out with something here. This paragraph from the above link

"Fritzl has not been formally charged. He faces up to 15 years in prison if he is ultimately convicted on rape charges, the most grave of his alleged offenses, unless prosecutors can charge him with "murder through failure to act" in connection with the death of the infant. That is punishable by up to 20 years in prison."

That's it? For all that he's supposedly done, that's the worst punishment he faces? Is that justice?

saden1 05-06-2008 01:08 AM

Re: Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes
 
My god, this is so horrible. He held her captive for 24 years and the maximum he faces is 20 years in prison? Justice must be on vacation in Austria. Where is Texas Justice when you need it?

mooby 05-06-2008 02:17 AM

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Yeah that is just plain old fashioned messed up. And is that seriously the most he can get put in jail for? This has to be amongst the most sickening stories I've ever heard of. Anything less than 50 years is crap imo, and the only reason I say 50 years is because he's gotta be getting up there in years so 50 would pretty much assure he spends the rest of his life in prison. I'm a somewhat advocate of the death penalty and I'd have no qualms about giving it out in this case.

He just robbed his daughter of 24 years of her young life, not to mention all the trauma she probably has from having her father making her have 7 kids and everything else associated with what he's done. If they give him a 20 year sentence I would be pretty mad.

JoeRedskin 05-06-2008 08:09 AM

Re: Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes
 
Apparently, the American and West European criminal penalty systems are [I]very[/I] different.

[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24392007/page/2/]Incest case revives prison term debate - Europe - MSNBC.com[/url]

Europeans, apparently, have a system that works to rehabilitation. I am fine with rehabbing people, but, first and foremost, if you do the crime, you do the time.

Monkeydad 05-07-2008 11:37 AM

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This is the reason why we (I realize this case is in Australia) should never abolish the death penalty.

This man clearly is unable to live among other people, even his own family. He is not fixable by jail time or rehabilitation. He needs removed from society to protect everyone else.

One rape is bad enough, but seven and to your OWN DAUGHTER? Disgusting is not a strong enough word.

Once someone crosses the moral line and kills or rapes, they can not go back to being a normal human being and it will be easy to repeat. Statistics back this repeat offending claim up too. This is why I feel they should all be removed from our population when they commit these violent, inhuman crimes.

BDBohnzie 05-07-2008 12:24 PM

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Buster....put another shrimp on the barbie?

Austria ≠ Australia

However, I do agree with your post for the most part...

EternalEnigma21 05-07-2008 08:39 PM

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[quote=BDBohnzie;447185]....put another shrimp on the barbie?
[/quote]

:eek:

SmootSmack 05-07-2008 08:43 PM

Re: Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes
 
I'd love to get SGG's and Lady Brave's take on all this

Lady Brave 05-07-2008 09:55 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;447329]I'd love to get SGG's and Lady Brave's take on all this[/quote]
I'm not sure what else I can add to the conversation really. Is a 15-20 year sentence in this type of case just? Not by a long shot. I think Fritzl will get the max and the only solice we can take from that is, because of his age, he'll most likely die in prison.

As far as rehabing sexual predators and pedophiles goes, I think there is only a very small percentage of them who can overcome their deviant behavior and it's usually only the ones who respond well to medication. As to the ones who don't, my personal opinion is that they should be castrated and never allowed to see the light of day again.

htownskinfan 05-07-2008 11:26 PM

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I dont understand why they keep mentioning 15 yrs for rape but Ive read nothing about jail time for holding someone captive for 24 yrs,what about that?

BrudLee 05-07-2008 11:29 PM

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There weren't seven cases of rape, there were seven children as the product of rape. This guy is a monster.

jsarno 05-07-2008 11:40 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;446918]My god, this is so horrible. He held her captive for 24 years and the maximum he faces is 20 years in prison? Justice must be on vacation in Austria. [b]Where is Texas Justice when you need it?[/b][/QUOTE]

Damn straight...the whole world needs more texas justice.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-07-2008 11:47 PM

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I cannot believe that this monster is only facing a maximum of 15 years in prison. I am not at all familiar with the Austrian justice system, but I would think he's probably facing charges of kidnapping, false imprisonment, rape, battery, etc. My guess is the most serious charge is rape and the Austrians have screwy system where the sentences for each count run concurrent to one another, meaning that the convict only serves time for the most egregious offense (which, in this case, is rape). In any case, it stinks.

I'm not particularly fond of justice systems that emphasize rehabilitation. It would be nice if we could send criminals to some school and transform them into law-abiding citizens. But, the simple fact is rehabilitation rarely works. For centuries the U.S. justice system tried to rehab criminals, employing methods ranging from isolating, silencing and beating convicts to having criminals talk things through with counselors. Nothing has worked and, quite frankly, I doubt that any system is capable of taking the worst of the worst and turning them into decent people. Does anyone realistically think that a man who repeatedly rapes a child can be reformed?

FRPLG 05-08-2008 12:41 AM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;447351]Does anyone realistically think that a man who repeatedly rapes a child can be reformed?[/QUOTE]

I'd say no. I also think it is pretty tough to change people at a character level and thats what a lot of crime boils down to.

I'll ask this. Why would we want to? Seriously. Let's say we can work some miracle and turn a piece of crap like this guy into some benevolent vessel of peace and love. Does ANYONE want that? Do we want a guy like this, inspite of his heinous unspeakable crimes, walking around due to some miraculous rehabilitation? I don't. I couldn't care less if he is rehabed or not. He still did the crime. He still took away his daughter's life for 24 years and subjected her and the children to gross human atrocity. Becoming a better person doesn't pay her or society back for his crimes.

JoeRedskin 05-08-2008 04:19 AM

Re: Austrian Man Accused of Unspeakable Crimes
 
[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;447351]I cannot believe that this monster is only facing a maximum of 15 years in prison. I am not at all familiar with the Austrian justice system, but I would think he's probably facing charges of kidnapping, false imprisonment, rape, battery, etc. My guess is the most serious charge is rape and the Austrians have screwy system where the sentences for each count run concurrent to one another, meaning that the convict only serves time for the most egregious offense (which, in this case, is rape). In any case, it stinks.

I'm not particularly fond of justice systems that emphasize rehabilitation. It would be nice if we could send criminals to some school and transform them into law-abiding citizens. But, the simple fact is rehabilitation rarely works. For centuries the U.S. justice system tried to rehab criminals, employing methods ranging from isolating, silencing and beating convicts to having criminals talk things through with counselors. Nothing has worked and, quite frankly, I doubt that any system is capable of taking the worst of the worst and turning them into decent people. Does anyone realistically think that a man who repeatedly rapes a child can be reformed?[/QUOTE]

Excellent post.

From what I have read, most European systems have concurrent sentencing. They also do not bring additional counts for the related crimes.


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