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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-12-2008 09:39 AM

No Death Penalty for Taylor's Killers; Fifth Suspect Charged; Suspect Pleads Guilty
 
Just like the title says, prosecutors will [URL="http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/may/11/prosecutors-wont-seek-death-penalty-nfl-stars-shoo/"]not[/URL] seek the death penalty for Sean Taylor's killers.

Slingin Sammy 33 05-12-2008 09:50 AM

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While I would like to see the death penalty imposed, it may be better to get the convictions this way.

"If convicted of first-degree murder, the suspectsí fate is now sealed. They will receive life in prison without parole, according to state law."

Now these guys can suffer for 50+ years in jail with no possibility of parole.

FRPLG 05-12-2008 09:54 AM

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Seems they would have had a hard time making it happen.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-12-2008 09:58 AM

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Sean Taylor is perhaps my favorite Redskin of all time, which says quite a lot. I've seen big hitters, but I've never seen anyone else who hit players with such speed and reckless abandon. He was also a superstar who never sought the spotlight.

But, I don't think Sean's killers deserve the death penalty. IMO, the death penalty should be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst...the Dahlmers, Gacys, and McVeighs of the world. Sean's killers were teen punks who deserve to sit for decades behind bars.

ArtMonkDrillz 05-12-2008 10:00 AM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;447832]Just like the title says, prosecutors will [URL="http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/may/11/prosecutors-wont-seek-death-penalty-nfl-stars-shoo/"]not[/URL] seek the death penalty for Sean Taylor's killers.[/QUOTE]How many years is a "life" sentence? I feel like I've heard that is usually about 40 years?

MTK 05-12-2008 10:06 AM

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I'd rather see these guys rot in prison anyway.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-12-2008 10:16 AM

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;447836]How many years is a "life" sentence? I feel like I've heard that is usually about 40 years?[/QUOTE]

In Florida, anyone who is convicted of first degree murder receives a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Thus, barring a successful appeal, the convicts would spend the rest of their lives behind bars. If the defendants are convicted of a lesser crime, they will be eligible for parole at some point. When that "some point" is depends on the crime of which they are convicted.

cowboy_killa 05-12-2008 10:22 AM

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Let them set and think about what they did for 20 to 30 yrs. I hope that they get gang rapped in the shower.

bigdaddy2348 05-12-2008 10:43 AM

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I say eye 4 eye life for life. I feel if they take a life then at least the shooter should get death, and really the accomplices also should get the death penalty. It was a senseless crime that should have never happen.

skinsfan69 05-12-2008 10:44 AM

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The guy that pulled the trigger should get the chair. Make an example out of the coward. He's nothing but a useless little pussy.

For the guys that didn't pull the trigger, I'd be Ok if they got 25. I think one guy went back to the car and I'd be Ok if he got 10.

Lady Brave 05-12-2008 10:51 AM

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I've sat through quite a few capital murder cases and they are extremely stressful on everyone involved. Even though the criteria is there to proceed with seeking the death penalty, the prosecutors will usually get input from the victim's family. As long as Taylor's family is OK with it, so am I.

Warren85Ellard 05-12-2008 11:07 AM

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I'd imagine that most of the inmates, many of them with nothing to lose, will know who they are and why they're there. These guys will be living in fear everyday until it happens. If they were assigned the death penalty, I don't think they'd ever see their official execution date.

Lady Brave 05-12-2008 11:33 AM

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[quote=Warren85Ellard;447853]I'd imagine that most of the inmates, many of them with nothing to lose, will know who they are and why they're there. These guys will be living in fear everyday until it happens. If they were assigned the death penalty, I don't think they'd ever see their official execution date.[/quote]
High profile inmates are usually kept in special segregated housing units. I doubt they would interact much with the general inmate population.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-12-2008 11:40 AM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;447857]High profile inmates are usually kept in special segregated housing units. I doubt they would interact much with the general inmate population.[/QUOTE]

Don't "SHUs" house inmates who have gotten into fights in prison? If SHUs are a form of punishment and high-profile inmates go to SHUs, do high-profile inmates serve "tougher time" than your garden variety inmates in general population?

Lady Brave 05-12-2008 12:02 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;447859]Don't "SHUs" house inmates who have gotten into fights in prison? If SHUs are a form of punishment and high-profile inmates go to SHUs, do high-profile inmates serve "tougher time" than your garden variety inmates in general population?[/quote]
They don't serve tougher time per se. High profile inmates are specially classified much like sex offenders are. They still have the same privileges as other inmates, they're just placed under a "keep separate" status. It's generally not in the best interest of the prison to have these types of inmates mixed in with the general population due to various security concerns.

MPNRedskins 05-12-2008 12:14 PM

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A.M.F. to those sorry bastards who killed Sean. When they get in the prison and the inmates find out who they are, they will probably be taken care of accordingly - prison style. Whether that's getting their a**holes stretched out a whole lot or straight up killed, something will happen. Oh, and if you don't know what A.M.F. stands for, it means "Adios Mother F*cker"!

wilsowilso 05-12-2008 01:15 PM

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Like the article says this was never going to be a death penalty case from the outset. There was no evidence that these idiots intended to murder Sean and the shooter was a minor. I say the two kids in the house at the time of the terrible confrontation which includes the shooter get first degree murder while the other two might get a lesser sentence. It's possible one of these idiots was even at the wrong place at the wrong time, but he will have a hell of a time trying to prove it.

WaldSkins 05-12-2008 01:21 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;447838]I'd rather see these guys rot in prison anyway.[/QUOTE]

Did you know that it cost more to keep someone in prison for life, rather then putting them to death? I find this hard to believe.

Hog1 05-12-2008 02:16 PM

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[quote=Lady Brave;447862]They don't serve tougher time per se. High profile inmates are specially classified much like sex offenders are. They still have the same privileges as other inmates, they're just placed under a "keep separate" status. It's generally not in the best interest of the prison to have these types of inmates mixed in with the general population due to various security concerns.[/quote]

Thanx LB,
Based on your vocation, you ad an interesting insight into such matters.
Speaking for myself, the whole Sean thing has left me......kind of empty on the matter. I want them them to pay, but I cannot get to zealous about it

SC Skins Fan 05-12-2008 02:50 PM

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[quote=WaldSkins;447893]Did you know that it cost more to keep someone in prison for life, rather then putting them to death? I find this hard to believe.[/quote]

I don't really understand what you are saying here. Are you stating as fact that it costs less to execute someone than to imprison them for life, or that you find it hard to believe it costs less to execute someone than to imprison them for life? In any case, as you might expect, this question of cost seems to divide largely along ideological lines (death penalty proponents say it is cheaper, death penalty opponents say it is more expensive). I haven't done the research so I can't say exactly, though a quick search suggests that more competent work seems to support the latter. Personally I think cost is a tangential issue and bigger problems exist with imbuing the state with the power to execute it's citizens, but as to the cost I'd have to defer to peer reviewed research to make a more accurate statement. I don't, however, think you can simply state as fact that it is cheaper to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life.

beau_str 05-12-2008 02:58 PM

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i'm not a lawyer but i was reading the comments on the story on MSN. somebody stated that life in prison for a first time felon in florida means they can get out after serving 15 years. i realy hope this is not right. that means riviera would be out by the age of 31.

mooby 05-12-2008 04:17 PM

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While part of me wants all of these bastards to be given the death penalty because it was Sean Taylor they killed, the logic in me says it shouldn't happen. This wasn't premeditated and I would be happy knowing they got life in prison because in some ways a death sentence is just taking the easy way out.

Also, what constitutes a 1st degree murder? I'm not familiar with the differences between 1st/2nd/3rd degree murder.

mooby 05-12-2008 04:19 PM

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[quote=beau_str;447920]i'm not a lawyer but i was reading the comments on the story on MSN. somebody stated that life in prison for a first time felon in florida means they can get out after serving 15 years. i realy hope this is not right. that means riviera would be out by the age of 31.[/quote]

That may or may not be true but if you get a life in prison without the possibility of parole then I do believe that means you are in prison for the rest of your life. Maybe if he got 15 to life he'd be eligible after serving 15 years.

doman29@hotmail.com 05-12-2008 04:27 PM

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That is bullshit they killed the man and now his poor daughter has to grow up without her dad so in my eyes they all should go in front of the firing squad

Captain_Chaos_73 05-12-2008 04:34 PM

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Im sure.. gettin senticed to life in prison, wont be a long sentence for any of these (Fword) sticks

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-12-2008 04:42 PM

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[QUOTE=mooby;447938]Also, what constitutes a 1st degree murder? I'm not familiar with the differences between 1st/2nd/3rd degree murder.[/QUOTE]

Each state legislature determines what constitutes the difference between first, second, and third degree murder. As you might have guessed, first degree murder is the most serious of the three and typically involves premeditation and/or the death of a law enforcement officer. Second degree murder typically entails the intentional, but "non-premeditated" (a fine distinction), killing of another person. The types of acts that can constitute third degree murder vary wildly from state to state. However, I believe "crimes of passion" may fall within that category. So, for example, if I walk into my bedroom and catch Smootsmack with my wife and I kill him, I may face third degree murder instead of second degree murder due to the surrounding circumstances.

In any case, I think the whole discussion is rather moot ... at least with regard to the shooter. It's not exceeding difficult to prove felony murder in the case of a robbery. The shooter is royally f'ed and I cannot see the prosecution entering into a plea agreement whereunder the shooter serves less than 50 or so years. But, what do I know, I'm not a criminal lawyer.

On a related note, when should cost EVER be a factor in determining whether to execute someone or send them to life in prison? The notion that the cost of (not) executing a convict should have ANY impact on the decision to (not) put someone to death is crazy. That sort of thinking appeals to Chinese communists and wackjobs. Under no circumstances should any rational person (especially a true "conservative") consider such things when debating whether someone should be put to death.

HOGTIMUS PRIME 05-12-2008 05:22 PM

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To bad our tax dollars have to be wasted on keeping this vermin alive. Funny that we put so much value on the life of an individual, or individuals who they themselves put so little value on it. So an innocent man is murdered and we now all go to work to see that the individuals that murdered him live! You got to love it.

heybigstar 05-12-2008 05:35 PM

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Man, there is just no good to come out of this -- Sean Taylor's family intimately misses the person, and we miss the person and career of what was likely to be the G.O.A.T defensive player in the history of the NFL.

So sad.

Stuck in TX 05-12-2008 07:22 PM

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Its a shame they wont pursue the death penalty. The guy who pulled the trigger should have to live the rest of his life out in Maryland were he can be gangraped daily by very large Redskin fan inmates. I support the death penalty, and he was shot in his own home. If you cant be safe in your own home, where can you be safe? He should be executed. His buddys should get life.

70Chip 05-12-2008 08:49 PM

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If these guys don't deserve the death penalty then no one does. The death penalty seems to be reserved for cop and child killers these days. Fair enough I suppose. I hope these guys get to eat that nutri-loaf or whatever it is for the rest of their long lives.

MTK 05-13-2008 08:42 AM

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[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;447956]To bad our tax dollars have to be wasted on keeping this vermin alive. Funny that we put so much value on the life of an individual, or individuals who they themselves put so little value on it. So an innocent man is murdered and we now all go to work to see that the individuals that murdered him live! You got to love it.[/quote]

When you get into the legal costs involved with a death penalty case (investigations, appeals, etc.) they actually end up being quite expensive vs. non-death penalty cases.

[url=http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108]Costs of the Death Penalty[/url]

HOGTIMUS PRIME 05-13-2008 03:52 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;448059]When you get into the legal costs involved with a death penalty case (investigations, appeals, etc.) they actually end up being quite expensive vs. non-death penalty cases.

[url=http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108]Costs of the Death Penalty[/url][/QUOTE]

A big reason why that happens is the outcry of people who want to fight to keep a murderer alive, when it's a clear cut case there shouldn't be any more money allocated than any other case. The fact that the cost to execute someone does escalate needs to be rectified.

MTK 05-13-2008 04:07 PM

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So many "clear cut" cases have ended in putting innocent people to death. Just saying.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-13-2008 04:14 PM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;448140]So many "clear cut" cases have ended in putting innocent people to death. Just saying.[/QUOTE]

I actually know a guy who was coerced into confessing to a murder that he did not commit (DNA evidence proved as much). He was serving a life sentence. He was exonerated after spending 10 years in prison. Lord knows what would have happened to him had he been given a death sentence. The death penalty needs to be scrutinized and most states need to revise their death penalty "systems."

But, I still think there are instances in which people deserve the death penalty (e.g., Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahlmer, and KSM). I also do not know of any people who were put to death wrongfully.

Redskin334 05-13-2008 04:28 PM

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I hate to see young kids throw theirs life away I believe they should rot in prison for life I don't believe in the death penalty.

SmootSmack 05-13-2008 04:43 PM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;448143]I actually know a guy who was coerced into confessing to a murder that he did not commit (DNA evidence proved as much). He was serving a life sentence. He was exonerated after spending 10 years in prison. Lord knows what would have happened to him had he been given a death sentence. The death penalty needs to be scrutinized and most states need to revise their death penalty "systems."

But, I still think there are instances in which people deserve the death penalty (e.g., Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahlmer, and KSM). I also do not know of any people who were put to death wrongfully.[/QUOTE]

Who's KSM?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-13-2008 05:09 PM

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;448155]Who's KSM?[/QUOTE]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11. I probably should have spelled his name out in the previous post.

hesscl34 05-13-2008 10:04 PM

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I'm the biggest Sean Taylor fan ever, and what happened to him makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about it. But I have to say the thought of 16year olds being put to death runs a close second to making me just as sick. The whole thing makes me sick... because itís all about wasted lives.. I can only hope Sean's horrific tragedy will create awareness that ALL ife is a blessing and not something to be taken for granted.

beau_str 05-13-2008 11:08 PM

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I don't want to come across heartless but an eye for an eye. When that thug pulled the trigger he knew who's house he was in. We all know the story of Taylor giving him weekend jobs and they were criminal enouph to rob him, and kill him. I am really pissed they won't face the same fate he did. Not to ramble but the one kids grandmother went to court with a "free my son" shirt on it kind of twists the knife.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-14-2008 11:01 AM

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FYI, a fifth person has been [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395451"]charged[/URL].


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