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Darrell_Green_28 05-20-2008 10:04 AM

Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
**BREAKING NEWS** was on ticker on ESPN
Owners UNANIMOUSLY vote to opt out of Agreement.

no link yet though

Schneed10 05-20-2008 10:07 AM

re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
No surprise.

Darrell_Green_28 05-20-2008 10:15 AM

Re: Labor Agreement (UPDATED W/LINK)
 
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3404596"]ESPN - NFL owners vote unanimously to opt out of labor deal - NFL[/URL]

dmek25 05-20-2008 10:30 AM

re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
i really cant believe they agreed to that in the first place. probably doing the new commissioner a favor

SmootSmack 05-20-2008 10:48 AM

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This thread title tells us nothing. Changing it.

freddyg12 05-20-2008 11:27 AM

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[quote=dmek25;449203]i really cant believe they agreed to that in the first place. probably doing the new commissioner a favor[/quote]

I always thought they made that deal in haste to save the season & because the nflpa had them right where they wanted them.

riggins44 05-20-2008 12:19 PM

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From what I've heard, it will be at least 3 yrs before possible strike.

JoeRedskin 05-20-2008 12:30 PM

Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
As I recall, although 2010 would be uncapped - it would not be manna from heaven for the players. In fact, I think the last years of the deal had some rather draconian measures that would negatively affect the players in order to encourage them to accept some form of salary cap.

BleedBurgundy 05-20-2008 01:29 PM

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;449235]As I recall, although 2010 would be uncapped - it would not be manna from heaven for the players. In fact, I think the last years of the deal had some rather draconian measures that would negatively affect the players in order to encourage them to accept some form of salary cap.[/QUOTE]

yeah, something to do with limiting which players would technically be "free agents" and making it much easier for teams to keep their marque players.

Rajmahal33 05-20-2008 02:48 PM

Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
This is an area of sports that I'm not that familiar with...Why does the players union expect to get an even larger chunk of the revenue (according to the comments in the article) when the owners were the ones who terminated the contracts? Also, it would seem that if something was unanimously agreed upon to be terminated, it was never really that reasonable in the first place. Why didn't they write into the deal an opportunity to rework it (with mutual consent of both sides) without terminating it or letting it expire? That way you can avoid leaving the shelter of the contract at any given time.

JoeRedskin 05-20-2008 03:34 PM

Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
Changes in 2010 (the uncapped year) if no new agreement is reached (per P. King at [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/05/20/react/index.html?eref=T1]The owners opted out of the labor deal at the best time possible - Peter King - SI.com[/url])

FREE AGENCY: Currently, players who are unsigned and have finished at least four NFL seasons are free. In the 2010 market, players will be free if they are unsigned after at least their sixth NFL season. In other words, 2009 would have to be a player's sixth season, and he would have to enter 2010 unsigned. Let's use Cleveland wide receiver Braylon Edwards as an example. In his original rookie contract, signed in 2005, the final year is 2009, which would be his fifth NFL season. Ordinarily, he'd be a free-agent in 2010 -- if the team didn't sign him before then or place a franchise tag on him. But under the 2010 rules, he won't be a free-agent.

MORE RESTRICTIONS VIA FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION TAGS: Each team now can use one franchise-player tag and one transition-player tag -- which pay the tagged player, respectively, the average of the top five and top 10 salaries at his position. In 2010, the revised deal would allow each team the use of a second transition tag. If a team chose to use all its tags, it could stop its best three players from hitting the unrestricted free-agent market.

RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TOP EIGHT TEAMS IN FOOTBALL: If the uncapped year is reached, the teams with the best eight records in football in 2009 will be severely restricted from jumping into the pool. It's still not precisely determined how the system would work, but let's say the Patriots are one of the top eight and want to sign a free-agent to a five-year, $20-million contract. They'd have to lose their own player or players to contracts totaling $20 million before they could sign the free agent they want. Conceptually, that's how this clause in the deal is going to work, but the exact mechanics of it are not clear yet. The purpose is very clear: The best teams are going to have tight leashes in free agency.

All told, teams would be able to protect more players with tags, and would have fewer free agents because of the six-year rule, and the best eight teams would be playing with one hand tied behind their back.

70Chip 05-20-2008 03:39 PM

Re: Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement
 
[quote=Rajmahal33;449265]This is an area of sports that I'm not that familiar with...Why does the players union expect to get an even larger chunk of the revenue (according to the comments in the article) when the owners were the ones who terminated the contracts? Also, it would seem that if something was unanimously agreed upon to be terminated, it was never really that reasonable in the first place. Why didn't they write into the deal an opportunity to rework it (with mutual consent of both sides) without terminating it or letting it expire? That way you can avoid leaving the shelter of the contract at any given time.[/quote]


I expect that once it became clear that there were enough votes to terminate the deal (9 owners I believe?) everyone voted unanimously in order to present a unified front to the players for negotiating purposes.

If the owners want to unring this bell, they will have to be willing to endure a strike or initiate a lockout. The Union seems convinced that they are unstoppable. Once some of these guys miss a few paychecks, though, Upshaw will find himself in a different position. He is not Donald Fehr. The NFLPA has been put in its place before and it may be time to do it again.

firstdown 05-20-2008 04:23 PM

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I'm not up on all this stuff but with the money that these players make now days I wounder how strong they can hold together a strike. You have the lower paid players which need their checks and higher paid players that will take the biggest income hit from a strike. So then I feel you only have the guys somewhere in the middle which might be willing to hold out longer.

MrJL 05-20-2008 04:31 PM

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Get the replacement players ready.

skinsfan69 05-20-2008 04:50 PM

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In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.


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