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onlydarksets 05-28-2008 04:54 PM

Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/27/AR2008052703679.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]
Interesting statements by someone who was part of the machine for a long time. The excerpts quoted by the article explain some of the attitude the Bush administration has exhibited. I'm sure he'll be labeled a turncoat by the administration (which, I guess he is, technically).

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-28-2008 05:20 PM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
Interesting article. Thanks for the heads-up.

djnemo65 05-28-2008 07:16 PM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
That's interesting because Washington reporters who were quite hostile to the Bush administration - I am thinking Dana Milbank in particular - always maintained that McLellan was a good guy caught an impossible position. Still stunning to see him take such a public stance on this though.

steveo395 05-28-2008 08:14 PM

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[quote=djnemo65;450398]That's interesting because Washington reporters who were quite hostile to the Bush administration - I am thinking Dana Milbank in particular - always maintained that McLellan was a good guy caught an impossible position. [B]Still stunning to see him take such a public stance on this though[/B].[/quote]
He is just trying to sell his book.

dmek25 05-28-2008 08:25 PM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
like the vast majority doesnt know this already.

djnemo65 05-28-2008 08:27 PM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
[QUOTE=steveo395;450403]He is just trying to sell his book.[/QUOTE]

He's obviously trying to sell his book but the problem is that other republicans with books to sell - Paul O'Neal, Kevin Phillips, Richard Clarke - have alleged the exact same things.

SmootSmack 05-28-2008 08:31 PM

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McClellan has some kind words for Bush, calling him "a man of personal charm, wit and enormous political skill." He writes that the president "did not consciously set out to engage in these destructive practices. But like others before him, he chose to play the Washington game the way he found it, rather than changing the culture as he vowed to do at the outset of his campaign for the presidency."

This seems to be the case with many elected officials. Let's see if that changes with the next President.

GTripp0012 05-28-2008 08:44 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;450408]McClellan has some kind words for Bush, calling him "a man of personal charm, wit and enormous political skill." He writes that the president "did not consciously set out to engage in these destructive practices. But like others before him, he chose to play the Washington game the way he found it, rather than changing the culture as he vowed to do at the outset of his campaign for the presidency."[/quote]This right here is why I feel that GW2 is a rather unremarkable president.

Lots of the decisions he made, that people hound him for, seemed to be decisions of circumstance. A better man perhaps would have gone beyond the status quo, and made the less fundamental decision and would have produced better results, but GW pretty much was the run-of-the-mill decision maker.

We've seen better, we've seen worse, and we will probably have worse in the future. That's my official position on the Bush Administration.

FRPLG 05-28-2008 09:16 PM

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;450410]This right here is why I feel that GW2 is a rather unremarkable president.

Lots of the decisions he made, that people hound him for, seemed to be decisions of circumstance. A better man perhaps would have gone beyond the status quo, and made the less fundamental decision and would have produced better results, but GW pretty much was the run-of-the-mill decision maker.

We've seen better, we've seen worse, and we will probably have worse in the future. That's my official position on the Bush Administration.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better. Bush the president was average in most respects. Good in a few respects and awfule in a few others. I don't think he is a bad guy but I think his admiistration was a joke. He had power mongers who had no problem throwing him under the bus as they steered him off course. A stronger man could have prevented this. I don't fault him for that as much as I feel disappointed. I fault guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld who screwed up everything in the name of politics.

SmootSmack 05-28-2008 09:38 PM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;450413]Couldn't have said it better. Bush the president was average in most respects. Good in a few respects and awfule in a few others. I don't think he is a bad guy but I think his admiistration was a joke. He had power mongers who had no problem throwing him under the bus as they steered him off course. A stronger man could have prevented this. I don't fault him for that as much as I feel disappointed. I fault guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld who screwed up everything in the name of politics.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I definitely think, from all I've heard and read, that Rumsfeld played a huge role in all this mess. More so than advertised. W's decision to essentially fill his staff with people who have been in the White House since the Ford administration was probably more so a curse than a blessing. I think it's important to have a mix of established people and fresh faces. Or he could have done like my man Ike and totally gone with outsiders.

mooby 05-29-2008 12:26 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;450408]McClellan has some kind words for Bush, calling him "a man of personal charm, wit and enormous political skill." He writes that the president "did not consciously set out to engage in these destructive practices. [B]But like others before him, he chose to play the Washington game the way he found it, rather than changing the culture as he vowed to do at the outset of his campaign for the presidency."[/B]

This seems to be the case with many elected officials. Let's see if that changes with the next President.[/quote]

This is a very important statement in my mind. For me it begs the question, who of the upcoming presidential candidates, if any, have the "balls" to change the culture of the White House, rather than just go with the flow? Because I'm not entirely sure there are any candidates that would stick with their policies as they said before they became president.

saden1 05-29-2008 12:37 AM

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Remember kids, you can't sugarcoat shit and try to pass it of as caramel apple.

[yt]b0sNJhphi7U[/yt]

That Guy 05-29-2008 01:21 AM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
[quote=SmootSmack;450417]Yeah I definitely think, from all I've heard and read, that Rumsfeld played a huge role in all this mess. More so than advertised. W's decision to essentially fill his staff with people who have been in the White House since the Ford administration was probably more so a curse than a blessing. I think it's important to have a mix of established people and fresh faces. Or he could have done like my man Ike and totally gone with outsiders.[/quote]

rumsfeld almost single handedly f'd the whole thing up himself. the military and various civilian advisers who knew what they were talking about and had planned for the post war contingencies and logistics were completely (and i mean COMPLETELY) ignored, because he thought he was SOO much smarter than everyone else's combined intellect.

we had a plan, but the guy torched it so he could play it by ear. brilliant! i guess it's not that bad, i mean, it's not like those decisions cost large scale loss of life... oh wait.

That Guy 05-29-2008 01:27 AM

Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq
 
[quote=saden1;450429]Remember kids, you can't sugarcoat shit and try to pass it of as caramel apple.

[yt]b0sNJhphi7U[/yt][/quote]

wow, i'm generally not a fan of his, but that's pretty amazing.

saden1 05-29-2008 01:34 AM

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Is Bush the commander in chief or not? He's not a decorative item in the white house. Apparently his lack of competence seems to give him some leeway around here. Rumsfled this, Rumsfeld that, Bush was standing right next to him and praising him after being forced to resign for god sake. Same goes for Gonzales, same goes Brownie, etc, etc.


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