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GMScud 06-02-2008 02:23 PM

Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
Zorn doesn't seem happy about this. Springs' absence is no shocker, but I guess Laron is treating offseason workouts like he does his autograph signings.

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freddyg12 06-02-2008 02:30 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
good news, bad news, but the bad isn't that much.

I like that James is said to be 90%ish, that's pretty good at this point. He might be ready to go full out come training camp. Preseason will be good to watch this year, a no. of position battles & young guys trying to make it.

GMScud 06-02-2008 02:42 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=freddyg12;450877]good news, bad news, but the bad isn't that much.

I like that James is said to be 90%ish, that's pretty good at this point. He might be ready to go full out come training camp. Preseason will be good to watch this year, a no. of position battles & young guys trying to make it.[/quote]

I find it hard to believe James is 90% less than 6 months after a major ACL surgery.

I'm annoyed that Landry is skipping these workouts.

Mattyk 06-02-2008 02:45 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
Well... these aren't mandatory practices.

As long as they show up ready to rock for mandatory work, I'm not going to get upset over it.

SC Skins Fan 06-02-2008 02:54 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=Mattyk72;450886]Well... these aren't mandatory practices.

As long as they show up ready to rock for mandatory work, I'm not going to get upset over it.[/quote]

I'd argue that it is indicative of a general lack of maturity from Landry that we saw manifest itself at (critical) times on the field last season with some late hits and taunting fouls. Seems like he is building a less than ideal pattern with some of his decisions. I'm not saying he is going to go all Adam Archuleta on us or anything, so don't misunderstand my point, but I think you'd really like to get a little bit better decision making from a guy you hope will anchor your defense for the forseeable future.

Mattyk 06-02-2008 02:55 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
So what does it say about Springs then?

GMScud 06-02-2008 03:02 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=Mattyk72;450886]Well... these aren't mandatory practices.

As long as they show up ready to rock for mandatory work, I'm not going to get upset over it.[/quote]

Springs is a long time vet and has proven his workouts in Arizona get him sufficiently ready for the season. I'm sure they'd rather he be in Ashburn than Arizona, but he's not nearly the concern that Landry is. If the entire team can show up but Landry can't, that says something about the man.

Mattyk 06-02-2008 03:10 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
So Springs gets off the hook?

Interesting.

To me the conversation ends once the words [B]non-mandatory[/B] are mentioned.

GMScud 06-02-2008 03:15 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=Mattyk72;450902]So Springs gets off the hook?

Interesting.

To me the conversation ends once the words [B]non-mandatory[/B] are mentioned.[/quote]

Zorn said he's not happy with either player's absence. I simply think Springs' absence is much less of a concern than Landry's. Gibbs always treated OTA's as being "mandatory voluntary," basically meaning he "strongly" encouraged everyone to show up. And aside from Springs last year, he always got perfect attendance. Didn't Zorn make it a point to stress the same thing this year? Landry is only a second year player, not a perennial pro-bowler. Everyone else is there. He should be too.

Obviously neither one of them can be punished or disciplined given the "voluntary" label, but it's a concern.

freddyg12 06-02-2008 03:18 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=Mattyk72;450902]So Springs gets off the hook?

Interesting.

To me the conversation ends once the words [B]non-mandatory[/B] are mentioned.[/quote]

True, it's nothing to draw any real conclusions from, but it is a slow offseason here!

I think in Springs' case there's the obvious fact that he's a vet & has earned respect from the coaches (granted there's a new sheriff in town). And there's the delicate situation from last year when they tried to get him to take a pay cut. There shouldn't be such a double standard for some players but I believe there is. Apparently the tuna doesn't see it that way w/Jason Taylor.

jdlea 06-02-2008 03:19 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
Didn't we already go through this once with a hard hitting young safety with a propensity to make a few bonehead plays? Don't read too much into this folks, it didn't hurt Sean and I doubt that it will be a big factor in regards to the development of Laron Landry.

redsk1 06-02-2008 03:20 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
Yeah I think as long as voluntary is used i'm not concerned. Would you like for them to be there? Of course. They are big boys though. It's voluntary.

SmootSmack 06-02-2008 03:21 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[QUOTE=jdlea;450906]Didn't we already go through this once with a hard hitting young safety with a propensity to make a few bonehead plays? Don't read too much into this folks, it didn't hurt Sean and I doubt that it will be a big factor in regards to the development of Laron Landry.[/QUOTE]

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Mattyk 06-02-2008 03:26 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
I remember going through this same discussion with Springs last year, but it's funny I don't recall many people backing him up like now.

Of course Zorn isn't happy about it. He shouldn't be. But at the end of the day there's not a damn thing that he or anyone else can do about it.

GMScud 06-02-2008 03:27 PM

re: Updated: Landry Reports to OTAs, Springs Still a No-Show
 
[quote=jdlea;450906]Didn't we already go through this once with a hard hitting young safety with a propensity to make a few bonehead plays? Don't read too much into this folks, it didn't hurt Sean and I doubt that it will be a big factor in regards to the development of Laron Landry.[/quote]

I don't think it will be a big factor either. But the guy has flaked on numerous autograph signing commitments, is a walking unsportsmanlike penalty, and is now flaking on offseason workouts. I think he's a phenomenal player, but thus far he's also proven he's kind of a punk.

I wanted to name this thread "Landry continues to prove he's a punk," but I would have been negative repped into my Warpath grave. ;)


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