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70Chip 08-13-2008 01:06 PM

E-Mail Reveals LaCanfora to be Gibbs Hater
 
[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](70Chip) sent the following message on or about August 23, 2007:[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][I]Of course Kendall will start. We all know Joe is just covering for his guys. Don't take it so personally. He yelled at Steve Buckhants one time. It's all affectation. I would encourage you to get some Redskins employees to talk to you so you don't have to hunt down people from other teams. That way would be more "Insiderly.[/I][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LaCanfora responds: [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][I]Gibbs treats people like they are morons, so I am calling him out on it. Don't insult that same fanbase you try to stroke all the time after you go 5-11.[/I][/FONT][/SIZE]
[I][SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]trust me, i have no lack of people talking to me on this team, way more than gibbs can stomach. he can't stand the fact that i get the straight dope and don't write his dopish version of the truth in many instances (their crappy left side of the line a perfect case in point).[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/I][SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][I]Thanks for reading.[/I][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][I]Cheers.[/I][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2][FONT=Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Well, I let it ferment for a whole year and am releasing it now because he's been getting on my nerves. Remember this was at the exact same time he was claiming he had no personal animosity towards the Coach. Also, I've met Coach Gibbs. I know other people who have met Coach Gibbs and neither I or nor they have ever been treated like "morons". So La Canfora really shouldn't generalise based on his own experience. I would suggest that Gibbs treats people exactly the way they deserve to be treated. And lastly, "straight dope"? Does he really talk like that? It sounds like a bad James Cagney impersonation. [/FONT][/SIZE]

Lady Brave 08-13-2008 01:13 PM

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He used the word "dope". Twice even. That made me giggle.

redsk1 08-13-2008 01:13 PM

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I think he means that he treated several in the media like morons, i don't know though.

I'm not taking up for JLC, but JG's ran a pretty tight ship. He didn't want outside distractions (the media) to affect his team. For god sakes, we had to hear that Mark Brunell was fighting his guts out for over 2 years, when we all could see that he had lost it. I'm not faulting JG's b/c he did run a tight ship, but I'm sure the media gets frustrated w/ the same talk week to week. They want stories, drama.

70Chip 08-13-2008 01:31 PM

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[quote=redsk1;464126]I think he means that he treated several in the media like morons, i don't know though.

I'm not taking up for JLC, but JG's ran a pretty tight ship. He didn't want outside distractions (the media) to affect his team. For god sakes, we had to hear that Mark Brunell was fighting his guts out for over 2 years, when we all could see that he had lost it. I'm not faulting JG's b/c he did run a tight ship, but I'm sure the media gets frustrated w/ the same talk week to week. They want stories, drama.[/quote]


They want easy stories that write themselves, so they won't have to. Writers with a stronger work ethic and a more patient outlook were often able to get great stories from Gibbs. To wit:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6507-2004Jan10?language=printer"]washingtonpost.com: Gibbs's Small Talk Always Got Message Across[/URL]

"From Gibbs there would be no headlines. He had turned such interviews into something of an art form. Years later, he joked about all the times "I tried to say something while saying nothing." This time, he rocked on his heels but opted for complete silence.
But a few hours later, I was alone at Redskins Park when he left a meeting to refill his coffee cup at a machine just off the press room. Seeing it was only the two of us, he stopped by for a bit of small talk."

This is called [B][I]reporting[/I][/B].

dmek25 08-13-2008 02:12 PM

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70 good read. its almost like im waiting for the movie to come out.

irish 08-13-2008 02:29 PM

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I think the word moron might be a bit strong but I agree that Gibbs didnt tell anyone anything and didnt want anyone (media included) changing his message. I find it interesting that everyone is now saying how open and honest Zorn is, heck anyone would seem open and honest after Gibbs.

firstdown 08-13-2008 03:01 PM

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So this is what has been bothering you for the past year?

SkinzzFan 08-13-2008 03:21 PM

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LaConfora is a bitter little boy and that comes across in his reporting. He even looks like a kid (a Campbell soup kid). I wonder if he's ever even played football. Gibbs II was NOT what everyone had envisioned when he was brought back but he didn't have much to work with to begin with. I don't want to turn this into a "defend Coach Gibbs" thing, but he brought the Skins back to relevance and that is HUGE. 2 playoff appearances in 4 years is a helluva lot better than the 12 year stalemate while he was gone. Spurrier set the team back by 5 years. Gibbs made things right and Zorn will be the beneficiary. (For the record, I love the hiring of Jim Zorn)

HAIL TO COACH GIBBS!

WaldSkins 08-13-2008 03:43 PM

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He did put us in the playoffs twice, but we had to make 2 dramatic turn around's for that even to be possible. I Think we could of went a lot farther last year and we gave to many games away. Im not saying SB champs but we could of at least made it there. All i'm saying Hail Zorn.!!!!

freddyg12 08-13-2008 03:46 PM

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I'll always defend Joe Gibbs, but at the same time I do have some empathy for the media. People like to blame them for a lot, ironically just as people will blame coaches for a lot. Yet, it's fans like us that fuel the media & read every Skins insider column, and also watch the team faithfully, buy tickets, gear, etc. The media wouldn't have much to report if no one was reading & listening 24/7. But the fact is, we are.

That said, JLC does a great job, but I think at some point he was soured by the treatment he got from Danny & Vinny, and now it appears from Gibbs himself. I don't make too much of the statement he made in the email, it kinda translates as: "everybody knows Gibbs won't give you a straight up answer." We all know that, but that doesn't mean he lied to the media or anyone else, he just wanted to keep things in house. Again, we all know this, and there's nothing wrong with it! If by treating you like a "moron" you mean he doesn't give you much detail, well then consider yourself a moron!

If JLC was trying to show how Gibbs did something wrong, I'd say he pointed out a sin that amounts to less than being caught w/a hand in the cookie jar.

freddyg12 08-13-2008 03:50 PM

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[quote=WaldSkins;464175]He did put us in the playoffs twice, but we had to make 2 dramatic turn around's for that even to be possible. I Think we could of went a lot farther last year and we gave to many games away. Im not saying SB champs but we could of at least made it there. All i'm saying Hail Zorn.!!!![/quote]

Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.

Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.

firstdown 08-13-2008 03:56 PM

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[quote=freddyg12;464179]Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.

Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.[/quote]
Well I think I could have left the team better off then what Gibbs inherited.

JWsleep 08-13-2008 04:06 PM

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Well, needless to say, JZ is way more media-friendly than JG. Gibbs famously never trusted the media, and was relatively paranoid (as are many HCs in the NFL) about giving something away. My impression is that JG is pretty straight with his players and sees the media as an opposing team. Not a surprise to hear the media bitching.

But for all that, I think JLac does a good job. He blogs constantly and says what he thinks. But you can't say he's not a hard worker and that he's just phoning it in from a distance. So he's not a homer and sometimes, especially near the end of JGII, he let his annoyance with being treated like a cub reporter from some opposing team get the best of him. These guys are human--not everyone is a Boswell or a Povitch. But he's clearly pro-Zorn, as well as pro-Blatche, so I don't think that will be an issue now.

He applauds the team and the FO when the get it right and he does (on his blog at least) admit to errors, or so it seems to me. Not sure what else he's supposed to do.

If JG I had not happened, how many of us would have reacted like JLac to JG II (some on this site did!)? I think JG is one of the greatest coaches to ever lead a team in the NFL. But JG II was a bumpy ride, no doubt!

It's over, anyway. Can't change the past! We're in the Zorn era now. Let's hope the love-fest (and the wins!!!) continue.

Hog1 08-13-2008 04:13 PM

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EXPOSE'.......awesome!

redsk1 08-13-2008 04:31 PM

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[quote=freddyg12;464178]I'll always defend Joe Gibbs, but at the same time I do have some empathy for the media. People like to blame them for a lot, ironically just as people will blame coaches for a lot. Yet, it's fans like us that fuel the media & read every Skins insider column, and also watch the team faithfully, buy tickets, gear, etc. The media wouldn't have much to report if no one was reading & listening 24/7. But the fact is, we are.

That said, JLC does a great job, but I think at some point he was soured by the treatment he got from Danny & Vinny, and now it appears from Gibbs himself. I don't make too much of the statement he made in the email, it kinda translates as: "everybody knows Gibbs won't give you a straight up answer." We all know that, but that doesn't mean he lied to the media or anyone else, he just wanted to keep things in house. Again, we all know this, and there's nothing wrong with it! If by treating you like a "moron" you mean he doesn't give you much detail, well then consider yourself a moron!

If JLC was trying to show how Gibbs did something wrong, I'd say he pointed out a sin that amounts to less than being caught w/a hand in the cookie jar.[/quote]

Good post. Some want to criticize JLC everytime he sais anything less than positive about the team. We haven't exactly been the model franchise in the last 15 years. I don't think he's overly negative. Sally Jenkins..overly negative and that's annoying.

WaldSkins 08-13-2008 05:29 PM

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;464179]Yes, 2 dramatic runs, which he coached the team to after periods of losing. Great coaches coach their best in december & january, Gibbs did that his WHOLE career.

Yes, we lost close games, but he built the team into what it is today. You have to take the bad along w/the good. [B]I think he left a team in much better shape than what he inherited.[/QUOTE]
[/B]
Totally agree

saden1 08-13-2008 06:00 PM

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I am sorry but it's completely irresponsible not to ask LaCanfora the answer to question 3 when you get a chance to ask him a question.

That Guy 08-13-2008 06:06 PM

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no offense, but this doesn't really seem like a big deal or totally untrue...

backrow 08-13-2008 06:12 PM

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[QUOTE=That Guy;464197]no offense, but this doesn't really seem like a big deal or totally untrue...[/QUOTE]

Let's see the record:

1. HOF Coach, Sainthood and HOF status bestowed after first edition.
2. Total Schmuck - writes total schmuck stuff.

I agree, not a big deal.

JWsleep 08-13-2008 07:20 PM

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Here's my guess about JLac and the skins in the JG II era:

JLac walked into a pre-existing feud between the skins and Post. JG is not a friend of the press--he sees it as a bunch of spies and liars, pretty much. And the FO has been doing its best to control its media output. So they treat JLac like a cub reporter and have no problem blatantly misleading him, leaving him out of the loop, minimizing his access, etc. Is any of this incorrect? How would you react?

Meanwhile, JLac sets up his blog, which is one of the better sources of up-to-the-minute accurate skins news, IMO. Do y'all read redskins insider? My guess is you disagree with it from time to time, and find some of the coverage anti-skins for your taste, but you generally read it. Because it provides NEWS of the team, even among the opinion stuff. (And opinion is ok, IMO--it's a blog). And he does regular chats on the Post site. And the guy pretty reliably answers his emails and takes the job seriously. Is any of this incorrect?

Whatever. Don't like him, don't read him. I really do wonder why we skins fans have such a complex about the media. It's the friggin MEDIA, people! What do you expect? At what point did you form the nutty opinion that the media is 100% reliable, constrained to write what you agree with, inhumanely non-partial, etc? Newsflash: it's not. And if you think we've got it bad, try reading the dreck in NYC or Philly. Houston is ok, but IT'S BORING, sports-news-wise. I long for some "haters" at times just to shake things up.

(BTW, none of this applies to Sally Jenkins' skins coverage. She's off the radar. I do not read her. As Dorothy Parker once said, "Everything she writes is a lie, even 'and' and 'the'." Guess we all have our hatred. ;) )

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 08-13-2008 07:28 PM

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;464208]Here's my guess about JLac and the skins in the JG II era:

JLac walked into a pre-existing feud between the skins and Post. JG is not a friend of the press--he sees it as a bunch of spies and liars, pretty much. And the FO has been doing its best to control its media output. So they treat JLac like a cub reporter and have no problem blatantly misleading him, leaving him out of the loop, minimizing his access, etc. Is any of this incorrect? How would you react?

Meanwhile, JLac sets up his blog, which is one of the better sources of up-to-the-minute accurate skins news, IMO. Do y'all read redskins insider? My guess is you disagree with it from time to time, and find some of the coverage anti-skins for your taste, but you generally read it. Because it provides NEWS of the team, even among the opinion stuff. (And opinion is ok, IMO--it's a blog). And he does regular chats on the Post site. And the guy pretty reliably answers his emails and takes the job seriously. Is any of this incorrect?

Whatever. Don't like him, don't read him. I really do wonder why we skins fans have such a complex about the media. It's the friggin MEDIA, people! What do you expect? At what point did you form the nutty opinion that the media is 100% reliable, constrained to write what you agree with, inhumanely non-partial, etc? Newsflash: it's not. And if you think we've got it bad, try reading the dreck in NYC or Philly. Houston is ok, but IT'S BORING, sports-news-wise. I long for some "haters" at times just to shake things up.

(BTW, none of this applies to Sally Jenkins' skins coverage. She's off the radar. I do not read her. As Dorothy Parker once said, "Everything she writes is a lie, even 'and' and 'the'." Guess we all have our hatred. ;) )[/QUOTE]

Great post.

I check Redskins Insider at least 3 times a day for news. I think it's a great resource for us Skins fans and JLC definitely takes his job seriously. Supposedly, JLC is not compensated, at least directly, for his work on RI.

That said, JLC sometimes appears to let his personal feelings affect his work. He's no Sally Jenkins, but he also tends to view the goings-on at Redskins Park with a lot of skepticism and negativity. Don't get me wrong, I don't want JLC to blow smoke up our asses about how great things are, but I don't want him to be unfairly critical either. He also lays into Snyder a little too much for my taste (and I'm no fan of the Danny).

That Guy 08-13-2008 07:56 PM

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[quote=backrow;464200]Let's see the record:

1. HOF Coach, Sainthood and HOF status bestowed after first edition.
2. Total Schmuck - writes total schmuck stuff.

I agree, not a big deal.[/quote]

um, gibbs pressers were worthless cause he said absolutely nothing in them, so i don't understand the complex with someone writing that his press conferences were worthless...

no one's forcing you to read JLC anyways.

BlueBlaze 08-13-2008 08:02 PM

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I'll bet you the people that has a problem with his comments are Larry Michael fans.

I'll guarantee it.

JWsleep 08-13-2008 08:19 PM

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;464210]Great post.

I check Redskins Insider at least 3 times a day for news. I think it's a great resource for us Skins fans and JLC definitely takes his job seriously. Supposedly, JLC is not compensated, at least directly, for his work on RI.

That said, JLC sometimes appears to let his personal feelings affect his work. He's no Sally Jenkins, but he also tends to view the goings-on at Redskins Park with a lot of skepticism and negativity. Don't get me wrong, I don't want JLC to blow smoke up our asses about how great things are, but I don't want him to be unfairly critical either. He also lays into Snyder a little too much for my taste (and I'm no fan of the Danny).[/QUOTE]

Well put.

Fair enough. My guess is that it will get better from JLac with Zorn at the helm (there seems to be a real bromance brewing between Zorn and the press boys... wonder what will happen when the honeymoon ends?). Plus, JLac is pretty young and this is a pretty intense beat--we skins fans are generally on-top of every little thing at Redskins park, so he's under the microscope. He'll mellow, most likely.

70Chip 08-13-2008 09:03 PM

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[quote=That Guy;464197]no offense, but this doesn't really seem like a big deal or totally untrue...[/quote]

Fair enough if you don't think it's a big deal but the exchange did take place.

70Chip 08-13-2008 09:07 PM

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[quote=firstdown;464169]So this is what has been bothering you for the past year?[/quote]

Yes.

70Chip 08-13-2008 09:08 PM

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[quote=BlueBlaze;464220]I'll bet you the people that has a problem with his comments are Larry Michael fans.

I'll guarantee it.[/quote]

I'll bet you Wade Phillips wears a girdle.

SkinEmAll 08-13-2008 09:21 PM

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JLC is a little whiny schmuck, at times. I agree he works hard, at times. I did read his blog every day when it first started, but as he was getting blown off more and more by the Skins that's when he started his little pissing and moaning on a regular basis, and it was getting unbearable to read. It was like I could actually see him having a full blown melt down temper tantrum as I was reading his words. There's a reason why Gibbs and ALOT of other head coaches and players don't like and or give the media the time of day. I don't expect much from the media, just give me the news, good, bad or indifferent without the crybaby slant.

Ruhskins 08-13-2008 10:03 PM

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I dunno why ppl are making a big deal out of this given that Coach Gibbs is no longer here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would say that very few sports journalists are objective in their reporting, their personal feelings will get in the way of what they say or write (look at Bill Simmons over at ESPN who spews boston every time he can).

JGisLordOfTheRings 08-13-2008 10:14 PM

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[quote=70Chip;464235][B]I'll bet you Wade Phillips wears a girdle.[/B][/quote]

This.

Winnar /thread imo

SmootSmack 08-13-2008 10:20 PM

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I personally think David Elfin of the Washington Times does a better job with his blog. In many cases, he provides inside news before JLC does (but then again so do a lot of people) yet he makes sure not to just post gossip. Since he's not at the WaPo, what he does tends to fly under the radar but he does a good job.

As for JLC he does a fine job of reporting what he sees that others don't have access to, but as I stated above I almost never hear something from him before I hear it anywhere else (granted I'm a special case).

Regardless, the honeymoon will eventually cease with Zorn for JLC. At some point Zorn will say one thing and mean the other or say nothing and that's just part of the job. As a journalist you have to deal with it. You have to be thick-skinned, persistent, able to navigate through the bull and misdirections that are thrown at you. And accept that you're going to be wrong sometimes, you're going to get beat. If you can't do all that, you just don't belong in the business.

70Chip 08-14-2008 03:40 AM

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I would like to hear from anyone, anyone (other than JLC) who has been treated like a "moron" by Joe Gibbs.

He says, "[I]Gibbs treats people like they are morons." [/I]

Joe Gibbs stayed and signed autographs for fans in the early morning hours after flying back from a loss in Seattle. Two days later, after resigning, he stayed signing and talking until every last fan was done. The fans all left before he did.

What happened last year was that La Canfora got a source from another team to to dump on Stephon Heyer, Gibbs then stood up for his player, and JLC got his feelings hurt and threw a hissy fit. He pretended in public that he was all cool, but I just wanted to let people know what he e-mailed me. BTW, Smootsmack, JLC refers to Elfin as "Day Late Dave". JLC is a prick.

MTK 08-14-2008 07:29 AM

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[quote=BlueBlaze;464220]I'll bet you the people that has a problem with his comments are Larry Michael fans.

I'll guarantee it.[/quote]

Nobody even cares about Larry Michael, that's how irrelevant he is.

He's a total homer schlub, nobody takes him seriously.

BlueBlaze 08-14-2008 07:44 AM

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[QUOTE=70Chip;464235]I'll bet you Wade Phillips wears a girdle.[/QUOTE]Thank you for proving my point. You have been a great example.

skinsfan69 08-14-2008 09:33 AM

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Who gives a crap what JLF or the media thinks? If he doesn't like it go cover Bill Belichick. If I were a coach, I wouldn't say a damn thing to them either. Yes Zorn is open and all but just wait til things get tough. Or wait til a story gets twisted around. He hasn't got burned by the media yet. Everyone knows how Gibbs is. He's as uptight as it gets with the media and you'll never ever hear him say anything bad about the other team and he doesn't like his players running off at the mouth. I remember in 05 we were playing a terrible SF team and all week long he made them sound like the 85 Bears. It was almost comical. I think we beat the crap out of them that week. 56 to what ever.

#56fanatic 08-14-2008 09:49 AM

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I have been away for a while, and thought I would check back in and what a way to get in the mix, Gibbs.

I defended Gibbs for as long as I possibly could. I think JLC is very good at letting us know what is going on. None of us really know what goes on behind the walls of Redskins Park, but I bet you the Joe we all saw was nothing like the Joe in the locker room. I am sure there is some truth to what JLC says about how gibbs treated the media, a lot of coaches have that "i forget more football than you will ever learn in your life" attitude towards the media. I think everyone was shocked at what Gibbs brought back to the Redskins. It worked the first go'round but really wasn't very successfule the second. Yeah two playoffs, which is awesome, but honestly it was a miracle that we won 5 and 4 games in row to make it.

Zorn seems to have brought some freshness with him, the players seem to love it and the media as well, which translates us fan feeling great about Zorn.
lets all move forward from the Gibbs thing.

Redskins_P 08-14-2008 09:55 AM

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[quote=BlueBlaze;464220]I'll bet you the people that has a problem with his comments are Larry Michael fans.

I'll guarantee it.[/quote]

BB, trust me when I tell you that Larry Michael is no one to most Redskins fans. No one takes his garbage seriously and I bet most fans would like it if he just went away. The guy simply sucks.

irish 08-14-2008 09:55 AM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;464319]I have been away for a while, and thought I would check back in and what a way to get in the mix, Gibbs.

I defended Gibbs for as long as I possibly could. I think JLC is very good at letting us know what is going on. None of us really know what goes on behind the walls of Redskins Park, but I bet you the Joe we all saw was nothing like the Joe in the locker room. I am sure there is some truth to what JLC says about how gibbs treated the media, a lot of coaches have that "i forget more football than you will ever learn in your life" attitude towards the media. I think everyone was shocked at what Gibbs brought back to the Redskins. It worked the first go'round but really wasn't very successfule the second. Yeah two playoffs, which is awesome, but honestly it was a miracle that we won 5 and 4 games in row to make it.

Zorn seems to have brought some freshness with him, the players seem to love it and the media as well, which translates us fan feeling great about Zorn.
lets all move forward from the Gibbs thing.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, Zorn brings a freshness that Gibbs didnt have.

Gobbs 2.0 was (no matter what people will admit) a big disappointment. Had anyone predicted what Gibbs actually did they would have been laughed and ridiculed off this site. Gibbs was not brought back to have 2 losing seasons and slide into the playoffs twice, he was brought back to win a title and he didnt do it. I for one was glad to see him step aside and let some fresh ideas have their chance.

saden1 08-14-2008 10:02 AM

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I don't get it....why should anyone care what LaCanfora thinks or says? I never read his stuff and if you don't think much him then don't read his stuff. As for Joe Gibbs, I wouldn't say he talks to people like they're morons but he does talk to people like they're children. Some folks appreciate hearing unfeathered truth fat-free and without any added sugar.

SmootSmack 08-14-2008 10:06 AM

Re: E-Mail Reveals LaCanfora to be Gibbs Hater
 
I think it's myopic to say that Gibbs was simply brought back to bring a title. Beyond being coach he was also President. He was also brought back to restore some pride in the team, and set the team up to be successful for years to come. It wasn't Zorn that brought in Campbell, Portis, Landry, Moss, Cooley, Golston, Montgomery, etc.

Not to take anything from Zorn, but as skinsfan69 pointed out just wait until things get tough. I'm excited right now about what Zorn can and will do with this team (much of which was put together over the last four years) but I don't see the need to put down what has been accomplished to get us here. Yes it's disappointing that we didn't win a title, but in the long run there is simply much more than that.

But that's neither here nor there with regards to JLC


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