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skinsfan_nn 08-17-2008 10:00 PM

NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
Magnets under the gas pedals, not very wise. Joe will not tolerate this type of conduct on his prized race team.

The guilty team members, crew chiefs/parties involved will pay a heavy price for there uncalled for actions. Yea, I know if your not cheating your not winning........crap

[url=http://sports.aol.com/nascar/story/_a/bbdp/gibbs-racing-faces-penalties-for/136768]Gibbs Racing Faces Penalties for Cheating - AOL Sports[/url]

Dlyne8r 08-18-2008 02:07 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
Yeah, I don't think JG will take long in showing those responsible the door. This is nowhere near his M.O. However, if you were to poll all the teams in the garage I'd bet a months's salary that you would not find another team that doesn't stretch the rules...it's all part of the NASCAR culture. If this is true though, this was a little more than "stretching" the rules and there will be hell to pay.

DarkKnight 08-18-2008 02:22 PM

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If they got caught cheating it starts from the Top, so he is responsible, he shouldnt get a free ride cause he's JG..........please

Daseal 08-18-2008 03:15 PM

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Im with DK -- can't Give Gibbs all the credit for the good and deflect all blame for the bad. I'm sure it's a mixture of both.

GhettoDogAllStars 08-18-2008 03:27 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
If this weren't Joe Gibbs, I'd say the owner had no idea what was going on. They aren't that involved in the day-to-day stuff.

However, I know Joe Gibbs likes to be involved, so perhaps he knew -- but, I doubt it. It's a dirty thing to do, and I think JG is a man of character. I don't know him personally though, so maybe I'm wrong.

SmootSmack 08-18-2008 03:35 PM

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It's more than likely a case of a couple of crew members doing what they should not have done without any prodding from or knowledge by Joe or JD. However, if one would like to put the blame on a higher up in the organization it should be JD long before Joe. Joe Gibbs is not nearly as involved with the inner workings in the garage to the extend that JD Gibbs is.

Joe Gibbs involvement is more in terms of big picture/long term dealings (bringing in Kyle Busch, letting Tony Stewart go), sponsorships, marketing.

Daseal 08-18-2008 03:41 PM

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I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?

SmootSmack 08-18-2008 03:47 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal;465298]I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?[/QUOTE]

I don't mean letting him go like he fired him. I mean they spent months discussing Stewart's future with the team, and they discussed possible ownership opportunities within JGR for Stewart. Ultmately though the decisions was agreed upon that Stewart would go his own way, and Gibbs agreed to let him out of his contract a year early

jsarno 08-18-2008 10:02 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;465296]It's more than likely a case of a couple of crew members doing what they should not have done without any prodding from or knowledge by Joe or JD. However, if one would like to put the blame on a higher up in the organization it should be JD long before Joe. Joe Gibbs is not nearly as involved with the inner workings in the garage to the extend that JD Gibbs is.

Joe Gibbs involvement is more in terms of big picture/long term dealings (bringing in Kyle Busch, letting Tony Stewart go), sponsorships, marketing.[/QUOTE]

What I am not understanding is how this could happen across two separate teams. These kinds of issues are higher up issues...people that are involved in the whole team (JGR) not individual teams. This means JGR has a serious issue. I do not think Joe Gibbs himself would make this kind of call. However it would not shock me to see someone Gibbs trusts very much to be the culprit.

FRPLG 08-19-2008 03:01 AM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
Doesn't everyone "cheat" in NASCAR? I have always thought the "cheaters" were just the ones who have been caught? It's so institutional that it's almost not cheating to do it.

birdz4gibbs 08-19-2008 05:06 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
[QUOTE=Daseal;465298]I don't follow racing in the least, but Gibbs didn't let Stewart go did he? Didn't Stewart get an offer to more or less be a big part of his own racing company?[/QUOTE]

yes 50% of hass cnc racing ..now stewart haas racing.
smoke decided to leave..my 2 cents worth on this deal is whoever did this should and will be shown the door looking for employment elsewhere...joe gibbs and JGR are too good to cheat unlike other organizations but i,d be lying if i said they don,t cheat..heck all of them cheat.....but JGR cheating it,s hard to put into words really but this is nascar afterall and sometimes you have to push the envelope...

wait and see and should be interesting...

birdz4gibbs 08-19-2008 05:15 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;465300]I don't mean letting him go like he fired him. I mean they spent months discussing Stewart's future with the team, and they discussed possible ownership opportunities within JGR for Stewart. Ultmately though the decisions was agreed upon that Stewart would go his own way, and Gibbs agreed to let him out of his contract a year early[/QUOTE]

right on smootsmack... it was hard on smoke to leave an organization he has spent his whole career with thus far and then decided to leave on his terms..
and gibbs did indeed agreed on the release of his final year....

it,s what he wanted to do be owner/driver..

Hog1 08-19-2008 05:22 PM

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If your not cheatin', your not tryin'.....-Joe Gibbs

............I think not

mooby 08-19-2008 06:08 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
So this idea isn't substantiated by anything, let alone a rumor, but lets just say the culprit is Joe Gibbs' son, do you think Gibbs would have a hard time letting him go if that was true?

firstdown 08-19-2008 06:28 PM

Re: NASCAR: JGR caught cheating
 
[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;465292]If this weren't Joe Gibbs, I'd say the owner had no idea what was going on. They aren't that involved in the day-to-day stuff.

However, I know Joe Gibbs likes to be involved, so perhaps he knew -- but, I doubt it. It's a dirty thing to do, and I think JG is a man of character. I don't know him personally though, so maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]
Yea, I bet Gibbs is under those cars turning wrenches and fighting his guts out!


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