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firstdown 08-29-2008 11:49 AM

Obama's Speech
 
Ok, I'm surprised Saden has not started a thread yet on Obama's speech last night. I'll have to say the guy can give a speech and did a great job there was even a point or two where I agreed with what he was saying. One of the main things I agreed with was not giving Corps. tax breaks which ship jobs over sea's. Obama though has flawed thought on how to pay for his some 830 billion in new programs. He said he would pay for all of this buy cutting current spending and reviewing everything that we currently spend. The problem is allot of the current spending is tied up in bills and is allready spent. Then he has to get congress to agree with his cuts and change bills and also congress will have to cut their pork projects which gives them their power back home. So what are your thought about what he said last night.

redsk1 08-29-2008 12:01 PM

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This is not a knock on Obama, it's a knock on politics in general:

Isn't it funny that EVERY Nomination speech talks of a small town plant shutting down, a kid that can't afford to go to school, and raising teachers salaries. Democrat or Republican it doesn't matter. We could go back to JFK and he probably spoke about these things.

firstdown 08-29-2008 12:06 PM

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One other thing Obama said was something about hard working people and minimum wage in the same sentense. I don't think there is a large % of hard working people making min. wage that have been in the work force for any amount of time.

saden1 08-29-2008 12:23 PM

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I haven't watched the speech yet.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 08-29-2008 12:43 PM

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Great speech and great pre-speech video. The only thing I didn't like was how Obama uses that Southern drawl/preacher voice (a la MLK) in his speeches. It strikes me as fake and too self-aware. He doesn't talk like that in his everyday voice. But, that is nitpicking. 9 out of 10.

firstdown 08-29-2008 01:37 PM

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[quote=saden1;469179]I haven't watched the speech yet.[/quote]
I would have thought you would have been glued to the TV and it did come on after the game. I got depressed twice last night.LOL

mredskins 08-29-2008 02:22 PM

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[quote=firstdown;469172]One other thing Obama said was something about hard working people and minimum wage in the same sentense. I don't think there is a large % of hard working people making min. wage that have been in the work force for any amount of time.[/quote]


How much you make rarely is a reflection as to how hard you work. In my experiences the more you make equals more responisiblty less actually grind out work.

Plus you can work your ass off everyday making min. wage but if there is no opportunity to advance, it don't mean jack how hard you worked. The hard work simply keeps you employed.

FRPLG 08-29-2008 02:44 PM

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[quote=mredskins;469297]How much you make rarely is a reflection as to how hard you work. In my experiences the more you make equals more responisiblty less actually grind out work.

Plus you can work your ass off everyday making min. wage but if there is no opportunity to advance, it don't mean jack how hard you worked. The hard work simply keeps you employed.[/quote]

In my experience the harder you work the more opportunity to advance. I think there is definitely a correlation.

mredskins 08-29-2008 03:37 PM

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[quote=FRPLG;469321]In my experience the harder you work the more opportunity to advance. I think there is definitely a correlation.[/quote]


You are missing my point if you live in butt fuck, middle america in a town with one stop light you can work your hands to the bone and there is still no jobs to advance up in.

saden1 08-29-2008 03:55 PM

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Finally manged to to watch the speech. Pretty good speech...laid out his plan for change, beat up on McCain...all in all I give it two thumbs up.

firstdown 08-29-2008 04:02 PM

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[quote=saden1;469369]Finally manged to to watch the speech. Pretty good speech...laid out his plan for change, beat up on McCain...all in all I give it two thumbs up.[/quote]
While I agree with you that he is a great speaker the way he plans on paying for his 830 billion 28% increase in goverment is very flawed. He wants to cut current spending most of which is allready tied up in current bills which he will have to change. I'm not sure how he will get that done because you will have some people in congress who likes the bill and other who will have no problem doing away with that spending bill. This will be true rather its the Dems who supported the bill or the rep. who supported the spending. So he will have to pass his new spending hedged on hoping to reduce current spending and that will be very tough. Or, he will just increase the def..

firstdown 08-29-2008 04:05 PM

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[quote=mredskins;469365]You are missing my point if you live in butt fuck, middle america in a town with one stop light you can work your hands to the bone and there is still no jobs to advance up in.[/quote]
Well while thats true to some areas that is a small %. Is this true in your area?

saden1 08-29-2008 04:08 PM

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[quote=firstdown;469374]While I agree with you that he is a great speaker the way he plans on paying for his 830 billion 28% increase in goverment is very flawed. He wants to cut current spending most of which is allready tied up in current bills which he will have to change. I'm not sure how he will get that done because you will have some people in congress who likes the bill and other who will have no problem doing away with that spending bill. This will be true rather its the Dems who supported the bill or the rep. who supported the spending. So he will have to pass his new spending hedged on hoping to reduce current spending and that will be very tough. Or, he will just increase the def..[/quote]


Where are you getting your numbers from?

mredskins 08-29-2008 04:25 PM

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[quote=firstdown;469378]Well while thats true to some areas that is a small %. Is this true in your area?[/quote]

No I live in a sub of B-more. Do you think there are more small towns in the US or Tyson Corners? I would bet on small towns.

firstdown 08-29-2008 04:31 PM

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[quote=mredskins;469404]No I live in a sub of B-more. Do you think there are more small towns in the US or Tyson Corners? I would bet on small towns.[/quote]
Not really sure but the one light towns your talking about some I have been to have pretty good wealth they just don't flaunt it. I do know there are areas where what your saying is true but I still think its a small %.


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