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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 09-12-2008 01:20 PM

Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
What do people think of Blache's defensive scheme? According to JLC's RI, a league observer said this about our defense, "What they are doing on defense now, it's like night and day from how they looked under Gregg Williams ... It's so basic now. They're not really trying to hide much. It's like the Colts or the Bears, but I'm not sure they have the players to back it up. There's no Urlacher or Briggs. There's no Sanders or Freeney. It's a very different look now."

Personally, I tend to think that our talent is decent, but not spectacular. I also don't know why Blache thought GW's scheme was too complex. GW seemed to keep offenses on the defensive; opponents never knew where our rush was coming from and GW did his best to keep em' guessing. I'm not sure we have the talent to play a defense which requires each player to beat "his man."

doughtydoubter 09-12-2008 01:24 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
I think blaches system is a bend dont break defense, alot of it revolves around the ability of the front 4 to generate pressure. We wont see the exotic safety blitzes BUT if you can get your players fired up and aggresive enough to take off the other teams heads...this system will work fine. I think that is the key factor, whether you have marginal talent or not, the real key to this defense will be emotion and aggressiveness.

Mattyk 09-12-2008 01:43 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
If they keep building on what they showed in the 2nd half of last week I've got no major complaints.

doughtydoubter 09-12-2008 01:47 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
I would just like to see two things....the DT's shore up against the run a little better, and take away the qbs comfort zone with some pressure..then im a happy man

53Fan 09-12-2008 01:50 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
I think Zorn and Blanche would both like to run the system that THEY like. The only way to find out if it will work with the personnel they have, is to put them in and try it. If certain players don't fit, they will probably be replaced eventually, but hopefully the coaches will make adjustments to their game plan until they CAN be replaced. After only one game it may be hard to tell who can do what, but I would think it would be easier on defense since it has been scaled down instead of added to. I also think we have more talent than we are given credit for. If we are playing more of a "just beat your own man" type of defense, it should'nt be too hard to find out where we need help on D.

doughtydoubter 09-12-2008 02:04 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
[QUOTE]THEY like. The only way to find out if it will work with the personnel they have, is to put them in and try it. If certain players don't fit, they will probably be replaced eventually,[/QUOTE]

Ok this is a great point of interest to me...because snyder as brilliant as a man as i think he is...(lets be honest when we were all ready to jump ship after spurrier he pulled out the gibbs card to keep everyone on board...when gibbs left and we are all down about run run pass he brought in dr z to have the exciting 'west coast offense')
Do you honestly think that he has that much faith in the coaches to replace players snyder has invested millions into for ones that dont work? Hell no...if blache has a horrible season..guaranteed we will look for a new d coordinator..if zorn does as well i am not too optimistic they wont buy out his contract. Im not sure that this is the wrong or right way to go about things, but to be honest the only coach snyder has brought in that he has had faith in was gibbs.

Hog1 09-12-2008 02:04 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
I really prefer a D that comes straight out and punches you in the mouth, and lets you know "hey, you wanna' taste some more of that, come on". I think that is what Blache is aiming at.
As 53fan wisely pointed out, he can go that direction, but until he has the personel, a wise man uses what he has the best way he can!
HTTR

Mattyk 09-12-2008 02:12 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
If you remember back to last year GW changed up his D and we were basically starting to move towards the style that Blache is playing now. I almost wonder now how much of an influence Blache may have had in the redesign of GW's D.

FRPLG 09-12-2008 02:17 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;475319]What do people think of Blache's defensive scheme? According to JLC's RI, a league observer said this about our defense, "What they are doing on defense now, it's like night and day from how they looked under Gregg Williams ... It's so basic now. They're not really trying to hide much. It's like the Colts or the Bears, but I'm not sure they have the players to back it up. There's no Urlacher or Briggs. There's no Sanders or Freeney. It's a very different look now."

Personally, I tend to think that our talent is decent, but not spectacular. I also don't know why Blache thought GW's scheme was too complex. GW seemed to keep offenses on the defensive; opponents never knew where our rush was coming from and GW did his best to keep em' guessing. I'm not sure we have the talent to play a defense which requires each player to beat "his man."[/quote]

I agree and this has been on my mind since pre-season. I uigured we were vanilla because it was pre-season but against the Gints it wasn't much different. Losing Springs changes our dynamics some but ultimately I just wonder if Blache wen't too vanilla. We have good talent but not spectacular like SGG said and without ST21 we have no serious playmakers.

Bushead 09-12-2008 02:17 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
GW's first year was when we saw the exotic blitzes, pressure from different areas, and surprises here or there. The other years under him, it seemed it just got more and more vanilla.

doughtydoubter 09-12-2008 02:22 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
defense is a funny thing...you can have the most vanilla defense and tear things up...or the most exotic one and be horrible at it.. it just depends on your players and how they exectute

53Fan 09-12-2008 02:22 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
[quote=doughtydoubter;475341]Ok this is a great point of interest to me...because snyder as brilliant as a man as i think he is...(lets be honest when we were all ready to jump ship after spurrier he pulled out the gibbs card to keep everyone on board...when gibbs left and we are all down about run run pass he brought in dr z to have the exciting 'west coast offense')
Do you honestly think that he has that much faith in the coaches to replace players snyder has invested millions into for ones that dont work? Hell no...if blache has a horrible season..guaranteed we will look for a new d coordinator..if zorn does as well i am not too optimistic they wont buy out his contract. Im not sure that this is the wrong or right way to go about things, but to be honest the only coach snyder has brought in that he has had faith in was gibbs.[/quote]

I don't remember Snyder ever being shy about spending millions for new players......Deon Sanders...Jeremiah Trotter....Adam Archuletta.....etc.

doughtydoubter 09-12-2008 02:31 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
its not about being shy...but i think that they are in a phase where they want to let the smoke clear a bit. Im just saying they work more for the players than the coach

redsk1 09-12-2008 02:33 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
I haven't seen enough of Blache's system to make a educated call either way. I have seen Blache's rankings as a D coordinator w/ the Bears which are ok, not great, average. Only time will tell and it's to early to make judgements on it.

I'm a little unsure of what to expect. On the one hand everyone was saying that everyone on D is back and it is going to be the same even w/out GW. On the other hand, it's two separate schemes and two different coaches.

53Fan 09-12-2008 02:37 PM

Re: Blache's Defensive Scheme
 
[quote=doughtydoubter;475358]its not about being shy...but i think that they are in a phase where they want to let the smoke clear a bit. Im just saying they work more for the players than the coach[/quote]

You're probably right but at some point I'd like to see them quit firing coaches before they have a chance to implement their systems and get the players best suited for it.


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