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jamf 09-14-2008 05:36 PM

Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Smoot is one of my favorite players but he is an automatic first down for offenses this year.
It looked like he was benched for a series in the 3rd quarter.
When he was back in, gave up a 3rd and short, right after the completion, he put his head down and walked off the field.

Torrance made a good stop late in the game.

I think smoot is either injured or completely lost it. It's probably time to bench him.

EternalEnigma21 09-14-2008 05:44 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
he made a few key plays today. I think our D did an outstanding job all around today and don't really get why you feel like calling him out...

did you see something I didnt?

DynamiteRave 09-14-2008 05:45 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Smoot isn't a great player, but he's decent. Doesn't get injured too much and remember, he did snag an interception last game. But to say he needs to be benched is a bit of a stretch.

Hog1 09-14-2008 05:48 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
He also had a tip that Horton reeled in today. Shutdown no. Serviceable? YES

GMScud 09-14-2008 05:54 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Maybe his back/hip were re-aggrivated.

jamf 09-14-2008 06:01 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=GMScud;476569]Maybe his back/hip were re-aggrivated.[/quote]

I'm hoping that's it. He's too young to have lost it.

I saw him give up 3 consecutive 3rd and shorts by giving up too much cushion.
I think he gave up a total of 5 first downs all by giving too much cushion.

Corners get beat and I can live with that but he was playing scared. You have to make them earn a first down.

He did make a great play breaking up the a pass that was intercepted but that was his only solid play.

That Guy 09-14-2008 07:31 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
coverage overall looked pretty good today. bush as a running back is a joke. if you got gap control he's a total pushover... no ability to break tackles (he's still a great returner and WR though).

EternalEnigma21 09-14-2008 08:53 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=jamf;476578]I'm hoping that's it. He's too young to have lost it.

I saw him give up 3 consecutive 3rd and shorts by giving up too much cushion.
I think he gave up a total of 5 first downs all by giving too much cushion.

Corners get beat and I can live with that but he was playing scared. You have to make them earn a first down.

He did make a great play breaking up the a pass that was intercepted but that was his only solid play.[/quote]

I just re watched the game and thought he played fairly solid. He did give some cushion but I think it was due to where the safety was playing. Last week Drew Brees had 3td's with an average of over 50yds per td pass. our safeties (landry anyway) were playing deep. Several times I saw Fletcher dropp back 20+ yards in coverage on third downs... which suprised me... colston was out, yes, but they still have speed at that position.

Daseal 09-14-2008 09:10 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
EE21, Landry always plays that deep.

I don't get the Smoot hate this week. As someone said earlier his break on a ball tipped it to Horton for a big INT. He played good coverage. Honestly, I can't even think of a play where he blew it. The only player that totally blew a coverage that I saw was Springs sitting in the flat on the TD toss.

MTK 09-14-2008 09:51 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=Daseal;476731]EE21, Landry always plays that deep.

I don't get the Smoot hate this week. As someone said earlier his break on a ball tipped it to Horton for a big INT. He played good coverage. Honestly, I can't even think of a play where he blew it. The only player that totally blew a coverage that I saw was Springs sitting in the flat on the TD toss.[/quote]

I don't get it either.

Skins_4_Lyfe 09-14-2008 09:58 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=DynamiteRave;476561]...Doesn't get injured too much...[/quote]
Your'e kidding right...we are still talking about Fred Smoot right?

That Guy 09-14-2008 10:00 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=Daseal;476731]EE21, Landry always plays that deep.

I don't get the Smoot hate this week. As someone said earlier his break on a ball tipped it to Horton for a big INT. He played good coverage. Honestly, I can't even think of a play where he blew it. The only player that totally blew a coverage that I saw was Springs sitting in the flat on the TD toss.[/quote]

yeah, watching him guard grass was kinda ugly...

DynamiteRave 09-14-2008 10:14 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;476763]Your'e kidding right...we are still talking about Fred Smoot right?[/quote]

Has he ever (with the Skins) been placed on IR?

I'd rather have a guy out there playing not at 100% (and doing decent. Not completely sucking) rather than riding the pine like a wimp with a minor, playable injury.

People are acting like Smoot is playing God-awful football and he's NOT.

The Goat 09-15-2008 12:20 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
I don't get it. Smoot took a nasty shot in the opener and has been rehabbing the injury. If he [I]was[/I] a step slower than usual today that is the logical reason. His coverage in NY was above average and Smooty always plays w/ attitude. Remember the shot he gave to Hassellback in the playoff game last year? Priceless.

GTripp0012 09-15-2008 12:25 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=The Goat;476827]I don't get it. Smoot took a nasty shot in the opener and has been rehabbing the injury. If he [I]was[/I] a step slower than usual today that is the logical reason. His coverage in NY was above average and Smooty always plays w/ attitude. Remember the shot he gave to Hassellback in the playoff game last year? Priceless.[/quote]He was pretty flat awful in NY, often against 3rd and 4th WRs.

I haven't had time to review the tape, but he was a lot better today I think.

The Goat 09-15-2008 12:28 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=GTripp0012;476831]He was pretty flat awful in NY, often against 3rd and 4th WRs.

I haven't had time to review the tape, but he was a lot better today I think.[/quote]

Huh, the only times I remember Smooty getting beat in NY was against Plaxico (if memory serves) and that only really lasted through the first-half. Rogers had some blown coverages as well but I expected it as he got a feel for the knee.

GMScud 09-15-2008 12:36 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
This thread is at least 2 or 3 bad games premature. I went back to the DVR and watched a bunch of the game. He didn't look bad at all. Understandable that he needed a few breathers given his back/hip, and Torrence filled in admirably (and played very well on teams today). Smoot definitely didn't do anything worthy of the slightest panic, let alone a benching.

Also, I've read just about every recap and article I can find about the game, and I haven't read a single sentence suggesting Smoot's struggling (yeah, I said it).

The Goat 09-15-2008 01:36 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
In a sense this thread brought up a positive - Torrence. I am loving that we've now basically got 4, count 'em, 4 corners that can play in the NFL. Torrence always had so much speed it was just a matter of his skill developing and it looks like we're seeing it happen.

GTripp0012 09-15-2008 01:56 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=The Goat;476834]Huh, the only times I remember Smooty getting beat in NY was against Plaxico (if memory serves) and that only really lasted through the first-half. Rogers had some blown coverages as well but I expected it as he got a feel for the knee.[/quote]Sinorce Moss made him look absolutely silly on one play, and Steve Smith burnt him twice. Burress beat him every time they matched up, and if memory serves, Toomer got him a few times as well.

I noticed in the Giants game that when Smoot left, the pass d did not suffer any sort of dropoff.

I'll have to review the tape to see if Smoot improved.

BleedBurgundy 09-15-2008 09:01 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=GTripp0012;476851]Sinorce Moss made him look absolutely silly on one play, and Steve Smith burnt him twice. Burress beat him every time they matched up, and if memory serves, Toomer got him a few times as well.

I noticed in the Giants game that when Smoot left, the pass d did not suffer any sort of dropoff.

I'll have to review the tape to see if Smoot improved.[/quote]

Agreed.

He seems to be giving way too much cushion on 3rd down. Also, the tipped ball was against Shockey, while a good player, isn't exactly a burner. I think most nickleback's in the league should be able to handle a tight end.

MTK 09-15-2008 09:03 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Smoot got abused against NY but I didn't see his play yesterday as a problem at all.

Southpaw 09-15-2008 09:14 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Fred Smoot should not be covering a starting wide receiver on third down. He doesn't get burned deep, but that's because he plays with a ridiculous cushion on every passing down. I was at the game, and watched him give an eight yard cushion on multiple third and shorts. It's like the term press coverage isn't even in his vocabulary.

And while I do think he should be on the field in nickel situations, he's a liability when he's one on one. I'm hoping it's because he's banged up, but he's always been pretty soft in single coverage.

doughtydoubter 09-15-2008 09:20 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
Ohhh geez...can you guys go oe game with out calling for someones head???:frusty:

T.O.Killa 09-15-2008 10:32 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=Southpaw;476912]Fred Smoot should not be covering a starting wide receiver on third down. He doesn't get burned deep, but that's because he plays with a ridiculous cushion on every passing down. I was at the game, and watched him give an eight yard cushion on multiple third and shorts. It's like the term press coverage isn't even in his vocabulary.

And while I do think he should be on the field in nickel situations, he's a liability when he's one on one. I'm hoping it's because he's banged up, but he's always been pretty soft in single coverage.[/quote]
Man coverage is his strong suite, he loves press coverage, when he is not in press coverage it is because Blache does not want him to.

Ruhskins 09-16-2008 12:18 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=doughtydoubter;476919]Ohhh geez...can you guys go oe game with out calling for someones head???:frusty:[/quote]

Says you "doughtydoubter"? LOL. :rofl:

Southpaw 09-16-2008 09:08 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=T.O.Killa;477326]Man coverage is his strong suite, he loves press coverage, when he is not in press coverage it is because Blache does not want him to.[/quote]

I know that "keeping the receiver in front of you" is a staple of the Williams/Blache defensive gameplan, but I doubt very seriously that when Fred Smoot gives up seven yards on third and five, Blache is happy, simply because Smoot kept the guy in front of him.

Also Smoot is not, and has never been a suffocating, press coverage corner. His strength has been his ability to read the quarterback and jump routes, and I still believe he's servicable in that capacity. That's why he should be on the field in nickel situations.

hesscl34 09-16-2008 09:57 AM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=Hog1;476564]He also had a tip that Horton reeled in today. Shutdown no. Serviceable? YES[/quote]
Exactly, he set up that IT. I didn't see anything terrible out of him.

Lotus 09-16-2008 03:28 PM

Re: Smoot: Time to sit on the bench.
 
[quote=hesscl34;477398]Exactly, he set up that IT. I didn't see anything terrible out of him.[/quote]

In many ways it was Smoot's interception. Smoot doesn't make the play, neither does Horton.

Smoot is not our best corner. But he is good for a nickle back and we are fortunate to have him on our defense.


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