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budw38 11-02-2008 03:02 PM

WMD's
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPlaEVY13YQ]YouTube - dems iraq wmd[/ame]

Slingin Sammy 33 11-02-2008 04:01 PM

Re: WMD's
 
Great clip. But Dems/libs will say the Bush Admin charged into Iraq unilaterally. Folks can say what they want about Republicans, but most have stayed consistent in their positions and worked through the challenges in Iraq. Unlike those in the video, they haven't changed their tune with the favoring political winds or public opinion polls.

redsk1 11-03-2008 12:26 PM

Re: WMD's
 
Great post. It's easy to play MMQB. It's easy to say it's Bush's fault. Say what you want about GB, but he does what he sais and he sees things thru no matter how popular it may or may not be. It's easy to flip flop back and forth as times goes on.

dmek25 11-03-2008 01:50 PM

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to me, that's one of his biggest faults. even when he knows, along with everyone else, that he is wrong, he refuses to change course. the senate never saw the entire briefing. only the bits and pieces that this administration wanted them to see. but this is all water under the bridge

Skins fan 44 11-03-2008 01:58 PM

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WOW!!! Amazing how they all forget and they act like they were brainwashed by Bush. None of it would of happened if Clinton would of kept him under control when he was in office. Rather then drop a couple of bombs when he was getting impeached to make people forget about why he was getting impeached.

I feel for you people.

redsk1 11-03-2008 02:12 PM

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[quote=dmek25;496506]to me, that's one of his biggest faults. even when he knows, along with everyone else, that he is wrong, he refuses to change course. the senate never saw the entire briefing. only the bits and pieces that this administration wanted them to see. but this is all water under the bridge[/quote]

I don't know all of the details but i would imagine there would have been many, many people involved in the briefing, both Dems and Republicans that GB recieved, especially when all, or most of congress was backing the war. I can't imagine that they didn't do their due diligence. But, yes, what's done is done and once we went in it's tough to just walk away no matter what the reason was originally. I guess that was my point. It's not popular but we're in and we had to stay the course. I think we can all agree that we want to get out of there, so I hope that time comes soon.

Slingin Sammy 33 11-03-2008 07:28 PM

Re: WMD's
 
[quote=dmek25;496506]to me, that's one of his biggest faults. even when he knows, along with everyone else, that he is wrong, he refuses to change course. the senate never saw the entire briefing. only the bits and pieces that this administration wanted them to see. but this is all water under the bridge[/quote]
I call B.S. George Tenet was a Clinton appointee who Bush kept in place (which hasn't happened since before Jimmy Carter, a huge Bush misake IMO). Tenet spoke for the entire Intel community and briefed Colin Powell prior to his speech at the UN. Jay Rockefeller (Vice Chair of the Senate Intel Committee) and the Senate Dems had the same info as everyone else.

Going into Iraq was a complete bi-partisan effort. Once the public opinion polls showed some distaste for the war, the Dems ran for cover and threw Bush, the Republicans, and what our brave men & women in uniform are fighting and dying for under the bus, plain and simple. Iraq is far more stable than the Dems are willing to give credit for (I wonder if the election has anything to do with it???)

Beemnseven 11-05-2008 10:33 PM

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Guess what? [B]They were all wrong.[/B] Democrats and Republicans.

Here's why they should have known Saddam Hussein didn't have the weapons: Israel would have taken them out. And they wouldn't have asked us first.

Also, if he did have all those awful weapons, why didn't he use them when we were about to invade? When the Big Bad Wolf is pounding on your front door, threatening to kill you and your sons, are you going to hide your .45 with your neighbor?

djnemo65 11-05-2008 10:47 PM

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I don't see a lot of liberals defending the 2002 congress. Did you see Clinton lose the primary to Obama, her campaign derailed against all odds by movement liberals furious over her support of the war resolution?

Anyway, if your point is that a lot of congressional democrats suck you'll get no argument from many liberals. And if that's not your point than what is?

And don't the left get any credit from you for like, you know, being completely proven right about the war?

Slingin Sammy 33 11-05-2008 11:17 PM

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[quote=djnemo65;498216]And don't the left get any credit from you for like, you know, being completely proven right about the war?[/quote]
How has the left been "proven completely right" about the war in Iraq?

djnemo65 11-05-2008 11:33 PM

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;498223]How has the left been "proven completely right" about the war in Iraq?[/quote]

No WMD's, is expensive, did create an intractable conflict, did exacerbate sectarian tensions, is inextricable, did polarize global opinion against the United States, was not in our national security interests, was mostly about reconstruction contracts for a few well-connected firms, did provide Al Qaeda with propoganda fodder, etc.

budw38 11-05-2008 11:56 PM

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Iraq had and USED WMD's . The UN weapons inspectors found WMD's in 1991 , after Iraq had to let them in as part of UN resolutions . Nobody is happy that we are in Iraq . My guess is that 99 % of us would like to never see another war , reality is that we will likely use military action at some time in the future . As long as Bin Ladens / Saddam H. Chavuez/ and the chi-a-pet in N. Korea are in power , there is that probability . Sad truth is , there will be another " Hitler " pop up , and the world will have to deal with it .

djnemo65 11-06-2008 12:17 AM

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[quote=budw38;498236]Iraq had and USED WMD's . The UN weapons inspectors found WMD's in 1991 , after Iraq had to let them in as part of UN resolutions . Nobody is happy that we are in Iraq . My guess is that 99 % of us would like to never see another war , reality is that we will likely use military action at some time in the future . As long as Bin Ladens / Saddam H. Chavuez/ and the chi-a-pet in N. Korea are in power , there is that probability . Sad truth is , there will be another " Hitler " pop up , and the world will have to deal with it .[/quote]

I was just trying to understand what this thread is about. It's titled WMD's, but it seems like it would more accurately be called congressional democrats went along with Bush's war plan in 2002, and betrayed no doubts about the existence of WMD arsenals in their public appearances. To which I pointed out, that's true, but many other people were skeptical. So skeptical that they staged protests all across the country prior to the war (unprecedented in US history, organized protestation of a war that hadn't started yet) and now look pretty smart, whereas the democrats mentioned in your video look like boobs, just like the republicans.

If, however, the point of this thread is to argue that in fact Iraq did have WMD's, well, please excuse me while I check out.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-06-2008 09:20 AM

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[quote=djnemo65;498238]If, however, the point of this thread is to argue that in fact Iraq did have WMD's, well, please excuse me while I check out.[/quote]

Love of one's party = distorted sense of reality.

EternalEnigma21 11-06-2008 10:10 AM

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Ya know there was intelligence provided that all of congress was given, and they based their opinions on that intel, which was found to be bad.

We were keeping watch, so if in the time between our intel and our invasion they moved the WMDs to lybia or syria we shouldve seen it.

The question is where did the intel come from and was it a mistake or fabrication. If I were a betting man I'd figure on asking Rumsfeld. I bet he knows.


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