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SmootSmack 11-04-2008 12:12 AM

Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[B]3rd Down Offense[/B] It was at an all-time low tonight. Converting 3rd downs is like getting offensive boards in basketball. It's underrated but leads to second chances, which is arguably the ultimate key to winning.

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Look, you're doing great and your a rebel,contrarian, etc. with your run off 4 WR sets, pass in heavy jumbo. But sometimes you just gotta line up and physically beat the opponent. Know when to be creative and know when to just force it down their throat.

[B]Carlos Rogers[/B] You have to catch those INTs that fall in your lap. Shawn Springs doesn't drop those, Champ Bailey doesn't drop those, Ronde Barber doesn't drop those. You want to be recognized among the best, you don't drop those either.

[B]Jon Jansen[/B] Thank you...and good-bye. Your done, finished, finito. You've given us nearly a decade of great service on and off the field and have been a valuable member of this organization. But you have no more value at all to this team on the field. Do us a favor, fake an injury, and call it a season, and then a career. You're threatening to a lot more careers on our team if you don't get off the field sooner than later.

[B]Gameday Threads[/B] Look, I'm not caling anyone fairweather and this isn't going to be another kool-aid drinkers vs "realists" thread. But the gameday threads are being overrun by depression. It's like the far right taking over the Republican party. Where's the team spirit? Where's the rallying support when we're "only" up by two field goals? I don't know, maybe because it's just my style to let things play out a little deeper into the game that I don't understand the "passion" of others.

[B]Quitters[/B] 6-3 at the bye, with two road wins against division opponents, plus 3 conference wins. That's not bad. And a loss today to a legit Super Bowl contender should be no indication that we're headed for a downward spiral

BleedBurgundy 11-04-2008 12:14 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
Shiiiiit, you're going to get carpel tunnel syndrome before you complete the list of everything that went wrong tonight.

BleedBurgundy 11-04-2008 12:16 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
In all seriousness, Rogers dropping that INT (and probable pick six) was the turning point in the game.

Ruhskins 11-04-2008 12:18 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[quote=BleedBurgundy;497475]In all seriousness, Rogers dropping that INT (and probable pick six) was the turning point in the game.[/quote]

Similar to when both Fletcher and Landry dropped INTs against the Rams.

jamf 11-04-2008 12:18 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
To add to the rogers criticism:
As soon as he dropped that ball, He lost it. It clearly got into his head. He has been our best corner but today, he was the week link of the defense.

Redskins247 11-04-2008 12:19 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
Nail on the head SS...all great points.

mooby 11-04-2008 12:19 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[quote=SmootSmack;497469]

[B]Quitters[/B] 6-3 at the bye, with two road wins against division opponents, plus 3 conference wins. That's not bad. And a loss today to a legit Super Bowl contender should be no indication that we're headed for a downward spiral[/quote]

I pretty much agree with all your other points but I also want to bring this up. We may have beat some pretty good teams on the road this season (Philly, Dallas) but this game was so reminiscent of the Patriots beatdown last year (minus the high scoring) that it brought back all too familiar bad memories. And the reason I have been hesitant to get too optimistic is because 6-2 in the first half of the season guarantees nothing. I remember a Lions team starting 6-2 last year, with a pretty decent offense and a 'bout average defense, but finishing 7-9. The second half of the season is when things get more important and tonights game was a bad start.

I'm not one of those, "oh no we're down 16-6, season over" type people but I am one of those people that starts to get concerned when we get our asses beat thorougly on national t.v. by a Super Bowl contender. Now by no means do I think the season is over, and in the long run it's better to lose to an AFC team because in terms of tiebreakers and things like that it's not that bad, but we're in a really tight division race right now and we failed to get it done, let alone put out a decent offensive performance.

skins6 11-04-2008 12:21 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
very poor qb play has cost us loses back to back---campbell is going backwards

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-04-2008 12:22 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[B]The fans[/B]. I can look past the poor performance of the O-line. I can forgive Los' dropped INT. I can let go of the fact that we racked up a whopping 100 yards of offense through 3 quarters. What I can't let go of is how about 25,000 Redskins "fans" gave up their seats to a MNF game when "their" team was 6-2. Unless your kids are in the hospital, you are seriously ill, or you crashed your car on the way to the game, make it to the show or give your tickets to a Redskins fan. You are a pathetic excuse for a fan.

GridIron26 11-04-2008 12:22 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
They simply dominated us.. However not everyone played bad, Horton continues to play like a beast.. Evans, he had a great game tonight; 2.5 sacks and 7 tackles.. Beside we would have a chance to win the game if Big Ben didn't get hurt, that is only if and when offense put up some points..


**this is just something I have been wondering lately, why we haven't heard much about Landry lately?

RMSkins 11-04-2008 12:23 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
If only Carlos Rogers had the hands of Cornelius Griffin.............

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-04-2008 12:23 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[quote=skins6;497484]very poor qb play has cost us loses back to back---campbell is going backwards[/quote]

Huh? Cost us "loses" back to back? We won last week.

Ruhskins 11-04-2008 12:24 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[quote=mooby;497482]I pretty much agree with all your other points but I also want to bring this up. We may have beat some pretty good teams on the road this season (Philly, Dallas) but this game was so reminiscent of the Patriots beatdown last year (minus the high scoring) that it brought back all too familiar bad memories. And the reason I have been hesitant to get too optimistic is because 6-2 in the first half of the season guarantees nothing. I remember a Lions team starting 6-2 last year, with a pretty decent offense and a 'bout average defense, but finishing 7-9. The second half of the season is when things get more important and tonights game was a bad start.

I'm not one of those, "oh no we're down 16-6, season over" type people but I am one of those people that starts to get concerned when we get our asses beat thorougly on national t.v. by a Super Bowl contender. Now by no means do I think the season is over, and in the long run it's better to lose to an AFC team because in terms of tiebreakers and things like that it's not that bad, but we're in a really tight division race right now and we failed to get it done, let alone put out a decent offensive performance.[/quote]

I'll confess I've been one of those pissed off fans tonite. However, we keep seeing the same problems in wins and losses. Offensive line struggles, WRs not open down the field/only check down passes, DBs dropping game changing INTs, lack of points when we have high stats and/or getting big breaks (which happened a lot tonite, I dunno how much in previous games).

We keep thinking that things are going to be alright, but unless a number of these things don't change; we may win a few games down the road and possibly even make the playoffs. But we will lose winable games or important games due to the same flaws that we see in wins and losses.

Ruhskins 11-04-2008 12:25 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
[quote=skins6;497484]very poor qb play has cost us loses back to back---campbell is going backwards[/quote]

please replace "qb" with "offensive line" and you have a correct statement.

GTripp0012 11-04-2008 12:26 AM

Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)
 
I really like the tags in this thread.

I posted this verbatim in the game thread, and then on my blog, but it's just going to get covered in that thread so I'll repost it here. If you read it already, you've been warned as not to waste time reading this post again.

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Late byes are a much bigger disadvantage than anyone realizes. You spend all of October and November playing teams that are coming off byes, or have recently had their bye. With that said, this team went 2-2 against teams that already had their bye, and that's pretty good.

We got our asses crushed tonight. Once that homefield advantage wore off in the first quarter, they killed us on both sides of the ball. Blache called an awful game, but with the way the offensive line played, it probably doesn't matter.

We got outplayed and outcoached, but it is what it is. The game doesn't mean anything in terms of tiebreakers, and if we go out and kill Dallas, everyone forgets this one. It's going to be well in the past by the next time we play.

The only thing we have to fix is on the offensive line, and it's the same issues we had in the last four games. Totally unblocked guys coming through on the quarterback are completely unacceptable for an offense as strong as us. Jon Jansen can't play tackle in the NFL anymore. We have to stop pretending like he can. He's a utility lineman at this point. Stephon Heyer should start at RT. Casey Rabach probably shouldn't be playing in the NFL because he can't read blitz packages at all. I feel bad for poor Randy Thomas, stuck between those two against the pass, theres just no winning.

Samuels, I feel, didn't play all that bad. The holding calls were likely a direct result of his lack of mobility, but when you start talking about weak links, Samuels is about 7th on the list for the offense tonight. We have two gaping holes on the offensive line.

And like pretty much every QB, Campbell is inaccurate when he gets rattled.

Also: Steelers are way better with Leftwich at QB than Roethlisberger. That's no mistake. Ben takes sacks, Byron throws the football. That's the difference. If they can protect Ben, he's great, but this Steelers team is better with Leftwich, who was amazing tonight.


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