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SFREDSKIN 11-16-2008 11:21 PM

Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
Everyone complains about our OL. How about our lack of a secondary receiver? I'm sorry but Randle-El just doesn't cut it, neither does James Thrash, Thomas is incosistent due to being a rookie and Kelly... well that's a different story. We need someone to step up and help Moss out.

DynamiteRave 11-16-2008 11:31 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
Might not be so bad to look into a decent receiver in the off-season. Just 1... ARE is much better as a slot. Not a number 2.

tryfuhl 11-16-2008 11:33 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
repost

might wanna give the qb some protection so he could throw it

we could have every receiver in the NFL on the field and none of them would have a good game the way our OL is so leaky

LMsexyAO 11-16-2008 11:33 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
I think ARE is decent, but you're right, he's probably more of a #3 than a #2 on most NFL teams. The real problem is the drop off after ARE. Thomas and Thrash are not NFL caliber receivers.

GTripp0012 11-16-2008 11:35 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
SF, Randle El has been cutting it ALL year. Did you notice that he wasn't available for the last two drives, and that's why no one was open?

WaldSkins 11-16-2008 11:38 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=LMsexyAO;501550]I think ARE is decent, but you're right, he's probably more of a #3 than a #2 on most NFL teams. The real problem is the drop off after ARE. Thomas and Thrash are not NFL caliber receivers.[/quote]

ARE i thought was brought in to be the third receiver. Remember Brandon Lloyd??

DynamiteRave 11-16-2008 11:40 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=GTripp0012;501555]SF, Randle El has been cutting it ALL year. Did you notice that he wasn't available for the last two drives, and that's why no one was open?[/quote]

I think ARE is 50/50; sometimes here's there and sometimes he's dropping the ball.

Moss is pretty much money, barring he's not dropping deep balls (granted, that's not often). But if Moss is 100% and ARE is 50%, we still need a receiver that can be that 75%.

And btw, where the hell is Fred Davis?

theJBexperience 11-16-2008 11:41 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
At this point, I don't want to try to address the 2nd receiver problem again. We already wasted three 2nd rounders. Let's try to revamp our O-line and hope better pass protection will help the passing game.

LMsexyAO 11-16-2008 11:43 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=WaldSkins;501563]ARE i thought was brought in to be the third receiver. Remember Brandon Lloyd??[/quote]

Haha good point

The Goat 11-16-2008 11:45 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
You're def right about a 2nd threat @ receiver S but... I think it's only one of the major problems on offense. What we're witnessing IMHO is a total offensive collapse (over the last 4 games). Dallas is not a great defense, period, and we could not do anything. Like others have said it all starts with the line and ours is evidently not an NFL caliber line. Jansen is an embarrassment to RT everywhere. Rabach looks more weak and indecisive every game. Kendall and Thomas are mediocre. Samuels is having his worst season in many years. Most plays are "busted" within a split second of the snap because of the line. Then it comes down to JC making something happen (because every d is going to key on the running back from now on and dare us to put the ball in the air). Campbell has regressed significantly over the last month, probably in part to the struggles along the line but some of the responsibility rests on his shoulders. Very bad passes to Moss and Ports two weeks ago and then several more very bad decisions tonight. It is clear watching on tv Zorn is to his limit w/ Campbell.

Finally... the receiving corp is pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. The shame here is that the same group was pitiful @ the end of last season, with Keenan and Reche making contributions. Now those guys are gone and what we have is one legit receiver who everyone keys on. Meanwhile, teams all over the NFL are getting huge production from rookie wide outs and TEs. The offense is rotten from the ground up and at some point there has to be some serious analysis (within the franchise) why year after year the production is not there.

DynamiteRave 11-16-2008 11:47 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=The Goat;501574]You're def right about a 2nd threat @ receiver S but... I think it's only one of the major problems on offense. What we're witnessing IMHO is a total offensive collapse (over the last 4 games). Dallas is not a great defense, period, and we could not do anything. Like others have said it all starts with the line and ours is evidently not an NFL caliber line. Jansen is an embarrassment to RT everywhere. Rabach looks more weak and indecisive every game. Kendall and Thomas are mediocre. Samuels is having his worst season in many years. Most plays are "busted" within a split second of the snap because of the line. Then it comes down to JC making something happen (because every d is going to key on the running back from now on and dare us to put the ball in the air). Campbell has regressed significantly over the last month, probably in part to the struggles along the line but some of the responsibility rests on his shoulders. Very bad passes to Moss and Ports two weeks ago and then several more very bad decisions tonight. [B] It is clear watching on tv Zorn is to his limit w/ Campbell. [/B]

Finally... the receiving corp is pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. The shame here is that the same group was pitiful @ the end of last season, with Keenan and Reche making contributions. Now those guys are gone and what we have is one legit receiver who everyone keys on. Meanwhile, teams all over the NFL are getting huge production from rookie wide outs and TEs. The offense is rotten from the ground up and at some point there has to be some serious analysis (within the franchise) why year after year the production is not there.[/quote]

Good post. Didn't know what you mean by this line though.. Like he's fed up with him? Or he's doing all he can to get positive production out of him and nothing's working?

Beemnseven 11-16-2008 11:47 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=GTripp0012;501555]SF, [B]Randle El has been cutting it ALL year[/B]. Did you notice that he wasn't available for the last two drives, and that's why no one was open?[/quote]


Well, that depends on how you define "cutting it." I'll give you this, Zorn is working him into the gameplan way better than Gibbs ever did.

Before tonight, we were 18th in the league in passing overall, and 25th in the league in terms of passing yardage. So if you mean that Randle El has kept us from being utterly pathetic in the passing game, then you may have a point.

But like I said at the end of last year, Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El as a tandem are not going to win this team any championships. Then again, this offensive line won't help us win [I]another game [/I]if they don't get their act together.

GTripp0012 11-16-2008 11:48 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
No depth at WR and no depth on the OL means that you have to rely on your offensive backfield to do everything. And right now, our superstar RB is injured, and our Franchise QB isn't seeing the field as well as he should be (and I think the hits he is taking have a lot to do with how he's seeing the field).

GTripp0012 11-16-2008 11:52 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
[quote=Beemnseven;501576]Well, that depends on how you define "cutting it." I'll give you this, Zorn is working him into the gameplan way better that Gibbs ever did.

Before tonight, we were 18th in the league in passing overall, and 25th in the league in terms of passing yardage. So if you mean that Randle El has kept us from being utterly pathetic in the passing game, then you may have a point.

But like I said at the end of last year, Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El as a tandem are not going to win this team any championships.[/quote]Well, coming into tonight, Randle El was catching damn near 80% of what's been thrown at him, and averaging over 9 yards an attempt. His ONLY weakness is that he's not a serious deep threat. It took about 25 games for Al Saunders to figure that out, and since he has, Randle El has been money.

Moss' hands aren't as good as Randle El, but he can run every route on the field and is our only deep threat. I don't count Devin Thomas because 10 games into his career, he can't even line up right.

One thing that no one notices is that the Redskins receivers as a whole are very smart and never really line up out of place. Thomas is a rookie, yes, but you can't teach a sense of the game, which he simply isn't ever going to have.

Devin Thomas will have better games. I don't think he'll ever be dependable.

GTripp0012 11-16-2008 11:55 PM

Re: Our lack of a secondary receiver is killing us
 
Remember how our offense is awesome with Sellers on the field? This isn't a mistake. The only formation that works for us right now is 2 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, or the "I formation." Sellers at FB is so much more valuable than anything Thrash or Devin Thomas can give us.


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