Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Seahawks)
 

Feels good to get back in the win column. I liked what I saw out of Kelly today (but I think I can officially say now my pre-season prediction of him leading NFL rookies in receptions this year is out the window), and I was pleased as well with Alexander's (not Shaun) effort. Shawn Springs is such a good defensive back, if only he played more often.

Anyway here goes, let's lay the smack down

[B]Red Zone Offense[/B] I mean it's great for my fantasy football team that Suisham is getting field goals, but I'd rather we get some touchdowns. I think we tend to get too cute down there, just pound it! Ironically though, I think what will most benefit the red zone/short-yardage offense is when someone, probably Kelly, develops as a viable red zone threat to draw more attention to the defense.

[B]Special Teams[/B] I wish we had drafted Josh Wilson

[B]Ladell Betts[/B] :eek: :doh: :madani::benched:

[B]London Fletcher[/B] I don't want to lay the smack down on him, because he's been great since he arrived. But for the past couple of games he just hasn't looked that good. 'Sup wit dat?

Please note: Sheriff Gonna Getcha will be taking over Smack Down duties for the Giants game.

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[B]Santana Moss:[/B] That BS is not acceptable. Fortunately you were bailed out two plays later.

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[B]Suisham[/B] Missing a FG under 45 yards is a bit unacceptable. Plus he had a few short kicksoffs (fielding the kick above the 10 yard line). We really don't want another case of the John Hall syndrome where you come to the team with a good leg and leave the team a goat. Hopefully he can get that leg strength and accuracy back.

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[B]Jason Taylor and Andre Carter:[/B] You guys are a liability.
JT is lost as a linebacker and Run stopper. If he can't get pressure or stop the run, why is he playing?
I thought carter was playing ok but as soon as Evens and WIlson got in the game we were able to get pressure. They need to see more snaps. JT is a pass rush specialist, atleast thats what we've been told, He should not be there on running downs.

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Clinton Portis leads the NFL again in rushing! Props to him and our O-line! Much props to SELLARS!

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[quote=SmootSmack;503428]Feels good to get back in the win column. I liked what I saw out of Kelly today (but I think I can officially say now my pre-season prediction of him leading NFL rookies in receptions this year is out the window), and I was pleased as well with Alexander's (not Shaun) effort. Shawn Springs is such a good defensive back, if only he played more often.

Anyway here goes, let's lay the smack down

[B]Red Zone Offense[/B] I mean it's great for my fantasy football team that Suisham is getting field goals, but I'd rather we get some touchdowns. I think we tend to get too cute down there, just pound it! Ironically though, I think what will most benefit the red zone/short-yardage offense is when someone, probably Kelly, develops as a viable red zone threat to draw more attention to the defense.

[B]Special Teams[/B] I wish we had drafted Josh Wilson

[B]Ladell Betts[/B] :eek: :doh: :madani::benched:

[B]London Fletcher[/B] I [B]don't want to lay the smack down on him, because he's been great since he arrived. But for the past couple of games he just hasn't looked that good. 'Sup wit dat?[/B]

Please note: Sheriff Gonna Getcha will be taking over Smack Down duties for the Giants game.[/quote]

Fletcher looked pretty good out there today. The D line was getting man handled. We really need Montgomery in there.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;503444][B]Suisham[/B] Missing a FG under 45 yards is a bit unacceptable. Plus he had a few short kicksoffs (fielding the kick above the 10 yard line). We really don't want another case of the John Hall syndrome where you come to the team with a good leg and leave the team a goat. Hopefully he can get that leg strength and accuracy back.[/quote]

he was short on that kick too. you'd think an nfl kicker can get enough distance on a 43 yarder.

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[quote=jamf;503446][B]Jason Taylor and Andre Carter:[/B] You guys are a liability.
JT is lost as a linebacker and Run stopper. If he can't get pressure or stop the run, why is he playing?
I thought carter was playing ok but as soon as Evens and WIlson got in the game we were able to get pressure. They need to see more snaps. JT is a pass rush specialist, atleast thats what we've been told, He should not be there on running downs.[/quote]

Seriously. Wilson brought more to the table than Taylor or Carter it seemed. I'll wait for Tripp's analysis but at this point we need the best players we have on the field. Evans is a monster against the run and Wilsosn seems to make plays. I'd rotate them in pretty good from here on out. Shit I'd rotate the whole damned line. We have 7 linement who can play NFL football. There's like 12 different combos there not counting moving guys to opposite sides. Use them all. Move guys around. Make them guess where to run. Mix in blitzes like we did today. Keep them fresh.

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Big props to CP. Best running-back of '08 - maybe MVP.

The defense is now making me nervous (still not as much as the offense does). We couldn't stop the run half the time today. Probably missing Anthony is part of the answer. London not playing at his best is also part of the equation. But I suspect much of it has to do w/ Taylor and Carter as others have suggested. I wonder whether Blache will really mix things up now i.e. Evans the 1st and 2nd down left end and Wilson or possibly Lorenzo at right end. Evans is clearly the best run stopping end on the roster - has to be in there on 1st and 2nd down or we're gonna get destroyed by the G-men.

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I'm also wondering why Fletcher hasn't played well since the bye week. Hopefully it's a just fluke.

Betts' fumble was unacceptable, but he did have a nice powerful TD run when Portis was shaken up in the first half.

And I think we definitely need to get Chris Wilson on the field more. He had 4 sacks in 4 games last year.

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I was all for drafting richard marshall and josh wilson... even insistent on it (not that our DBs suck now, but those two would be cheaper than smoot and healthier than springs).

good news is washington, griffin, taylor, springs, maybe even smoot can all be replaced cheaply this offseason since they seemed to have lost it (its the joe montana syndrome... they can still play well, but the amount of time they're healthy enough to get on the field is just shrinking to zero fast).

anyways, it's good news, cause that's a LOT of money to work with, some of which will probably be going to campbell and hall.

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Taylor got manhandled yesterday; i saw him get thrown around like a rag doll a couple times. I is going to be a serious liability on the field against one of the best O-lines in the G-men

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I'm sick and tired of defending Suisham...shanked mid 40s kicks two weeks in a row, and the kickoffs are getting dangerously short again.

You begin to wonder what people say to each other...or, what did Josh Wilson say to Santana Moss to rile him up like that. While it's easy to criticize, Wilson must have said something pretty shitty...

Mike Sellars - fans have been calling your name all year, wanting you to get more involved. One way to not get more involved is to drop a sure 1st down inside the opponent's 5.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;503681]I'm sick and tired of defending Suisham...shanked mid 40s kicks two weeks in a row, and the kickoffs are getting dangerously short again.

You begin to wonder what people say to each other...or, what did Josh Wilson say to Santana Moss to rile him up like that. While it's easy to criticize, Wilson must have said something pretty shitty...

Mike Sellars - fans have been calling your name all year, wanting you to get more involved. [B]One way to not get more involved is to drop a sure 1st down inside the opponent's 5.[/B][/quote]

That would have been 6.

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Yea I can name at least 5 plays where Fletch had a chance at Morris but over pursued and he ran right by him. But he is still our backbone on D and he will bounce back.

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Sellars really had a very good game..would have been a great game if not for the drop. He was flat out, leveling people out there.

It was nice to see Kelly out there. Gotta keep the D's honest w/ Moss on the other side.

Is it just me or does Andre Carter look really slow out there? I really don't understand why we're paying him so much money. He's a good guy, and a very hard worker, but talent wise, mediocre at best.

Our secondary is pretty good.

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[quote=redsk1;503691]Sellars really had a very good game..would have been a great game if not for the drop. He was flat out, leveling people out there.

It was nice to see Kelly out there. Gotta keep the D's honest w/ Moss on the other side.

Is it just me or does Andre Carter look really slow out there? I really don't understand why we're paying him so much money. He's a good guy, and a very hard worker, but talent wise, mediocre at best.

Our secondary is pretty good.[/quote]

Sellars had a good game.Was really making some nice powerful blocks. But his drop was unacceptable. Those kind of drops are one of the reasons our offense is unable to get it done in the red zone. Those mistakes against the Giants and we are in for a real long day.
On the bright side.....I was pleased to see Campbell fairly mobile and pick up some yards when he had the opportunity. And as far as Moss's left hand Jab goes....REALLY lucky his ass did not get tossed outta the game!

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Sellers' drop was very disappointing, he's got to catch that. It's also very indicative of how things have gone this year. It just seems like there's always a play or two each game that prevents us from opening up a nice lead.

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I noticed on Betts runs when he hits the whole and is fighting for more yards he tends to turn his back to try and make a push. This leaves him open to getting hit as he is now more up right pushing backwards with his legs. He did this twice yesterday and is probably the reason he fumbled the ball. He needs to lower his head and drive the pile instead of trying to push the pile. If you don't understand what I'm talking about think of a person pushing a car with their butt against the car.

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[quote=firstdown;503713]I noticed on Betts runs when he hits the whole and is fighting for more yards he tends to turn his back to try and make a push. This leaves him open to getting hit as he is now more up right pushing backwards with his legs. He did this twice yesterday and is probably the reason he fumbled the ball. He needs to lower his head and drive the pile instead of trying to push the pile. If you don't understand what I'm talking about think of a person pushing a car with their butt against the car.[/quote]

My guess is his knee still isn't 100% so he's not comfortable driving forward on it after contact.

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Sellers -- not Sellars, people.

As for his drop, yeah it was disappointing, but I don't like the play call in that situation. 3rd and inches, I'd like to see a trap or dive. I love the play they called, just not in that situation. I'd call it on 3rd and 2 or 3 -- not 3rd and inches. Gonna have to give Zorn a little smackdown on that one.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;503735]Sellers -- not Sellars, people.

As for his drop, yeah it was disappointing, but I don't like the play call in that situation. 3rd and inches, I'd like to see a trap or dive. I love the play they called, just not in that situation. I'd call it on 3rd and 2 or 3 -- not 3rd and inches. Gonna have to give Zorn a little smackdown on that one.[/quote]
If Sellers held it, people would have been singing praises to Zorn and Sellers. as it was, just another drive that ended with poor execution. (Especially after Sellers had been asking for the ball so much) Normally Sellers makes that and scores.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;503735]Sellers -- not Sellars, people.

As for his drop, yeah it was disappointing, but I don't like the play call in that situation. 3rd and inches, I'd like to see a trap or dive. I love the play they called, just not in that situation. I'd call it on 3rd and 2 or 3 -- not 3rd and inches. Gonna have to give Zorn a little smackdown on that one.[/quote]

I actually liked the call, and the execution was all there right up to the drop.

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My point is that we can convert on 3rd and inches in so many different ways. Why put it on Sellers to make that catch? He's a blocking fullback. We were in the red zone, and only had inches to go. There are so many other plays that would have had a higher probability of success in that situation. If it was 2nd down, then okay. I would have rather seen a dive, trap or sneak -- all of which have a higher likelihood of success. Bad play call, IMO, considering it cost us 4 points.

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I thought the call to Sellers on 3rd and inches was a good call. Did you expect it? Guess what, the defense did'nt either. The pass was a little high but he should have caught it.

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If Campbell had gotten off a decent pass, Sellers would have caught it with no problem. I like Zorn on that particular call because he isn't predictable. Remember when we used to lose every close game, but this season we're winning most of them? Starting with Norv and on up until Zorn, we could dominate a game but lose it on a stupid play. Even Joe Gibbs looked lost on Sundays, and I'm a big Joe Gibbs fan. Zorn knows what's going on and has us winning.

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From Zorn's point of view - Why not put it in Sellers hands he had caught everything thrown his way, he has decent hands and scored our only touchdown last week against Dallas. Again, if it works great call, and the timing was good too, cuz everyone had sold out to stopping Portis.

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If you only have a couple inches to go, predictability shouldn't be an issue. If the defense knows you're running, and you still can't get a few inches, then you've got a problem. Considering we abused them all day long running the football, we should have just continued with it and run it again for the 1st. Instead, we decide to put the success of the play into the hands of our worst receiver. Dumb.

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Sellers is not a bad receiver, maybe our worst, but he certainly has his share of TD's and receptions. Maybe GTripp or some other StatMeister could tell us how many drops Sellers has, but I really doubt it is a high percentage of what is thrown at him. And I can't think of any since Zorn started using him.

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I didn't mind the call. It was open, we just didn't execute it. He should have caught it.

If we had ran down the middle and gotten stuffed then people would be crying for some other play.

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[quote=redsk1;503833]I didn't mind the call. It was open, we just didn't execute it. He should have caught it.
[B]
If we had ran down the middle and gotten stuffed then people would be crying for some other play[/B].[/quote]

and I think its safe to say that if JZ then had gone for it on 4th and somehow gotten stuffed, the questions would be Why not kick the field goal. I truthfully do not envy a head coach's job!

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;503814]My point is that we can convert on 3rd and inches in so many different ways. [B]Why put it on Sellers to make that catch[/B]? He's a blocking fullback. We were in the red zone, and only had inches to go. There are so many other plays that would have had a higher probability of success in that situation. If it was 2nd down, then okay. I would have rather seen a dive, trap or sneak -- all of which have a higher likelihood of success. Bad play call, IMO, considering it cost us 4 points.[/quote]

Why not?

We've had great success with that play action flip to Sellers in the past. The guy generally is pretty reliable when it comes to those. I don't see the problem with the call, just the drop on Sellers' part.

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[quote=JLee9718;503819][B]If Campbell had gotten off a decent pass, Sellers would have caught it with no problem[/B]. I like Zorn on that particular call because he isn't predictable. Remember when we used to lose every close game, but this season we're winning most of them? Starting with Norv and on up until Zorn, we could dominate a game but lose it on a stupid play. Even Joe Gibbs looked lost on Sundays, and I'm a big Joe Gibbs fan. Zorn knows what's going on and has us winning.[/quote]

I guess hitting him in the hands wasn't good enough?

Yeah it wasn't picture perfect, but that's a throw he has to catch. You can't put that on Campbell.

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I totally agree with the call, Sellers was wide open and should have made the catch! I would hope that in the future other teams will bite on the Sellers fake, and throw it to Cooley, he needs some TDs

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we won the game against a seattle team that has had our number the past couple of years but they suck this year.We can beat the giants next week but we will need some turnovers by eli and a solid game from cambell

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[quote=Mattyk72;503849]Why not?

We've had great success with that play action flip to Sellers in the past. The guy generally is pretty reliable when it comes to those. I don't see the problem with the call, just the drop on Sellers' part.[/quote]

I agree, we have had great success on that play. I like the play too. It was just too big of a play. In those "big play" situations, I believe we should run plays which have the highest percentage of success. Now, our history shows that is a good percentage play, but Sellers is due to drop one here and there. Well, he did, and the whole time I was thinking, "You've got to catch that, but I can't be mad you didn't -- that's not your forte." If Moss or Cooley dropped one in the hands on that play, I'd be pissed -- pass catching is their primary responsibility. Sellers' primary responsibility is blocking. Same reason I can't be too upset if a play breaks down due to a poor block from Moss. Know what I mean?

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;503979]I agree, we have had great success on that play. I like the play too. It was just too big of a play. In those "big play" situations, I believe we should run plays which have the highest percentage of success. Now, our history shows that is a good percentage play, but Sellers is due to drop one here and there. Well, he did, and the whole time I was thinking, "You've got to catch that, but I can't be mad you didn't -- that's not your forte." If Moss or Cooley dropped one in the hands on that play, I'd be pissed -- pass catching is their primary responsibility. Sellers' primary responsibility is blocking. Same reason I can't be too upset if a play breaks down due to a poor block from Moss. [B]Know what I mean[/B]?[/quote]

No I don't actually, but we'll just agree to disagree. It's not like Sellers is Mr. Stone Hands, he's a capable enough of a receiver to expect him to catch those.

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[quote=Mattyk72;503849]Why not??

We've had great success with that play action flip to Sellers in the past. The guy generally is pretty reliable when it comes to those. I don't see the problem with the call, just the drop on Sellers' part.[/quote]

Wasn't it last year he had like 7 TDs out of 8 touches in the red zone?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;504008]Wasn't it last year he had like 7 TDs out of 8 touches in the red zone?[/quote]

That was '05. But yeah, that was sweet. He's light on his feet and at 280+ lbs, no one can bring him down on first contact. I love how we're getting him involved and I hope we keep it up. He's one of the best players on our team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;503983]No I don't actually, but we'll just agree to disagree. It's not like Sellers is Mr. Stone Hands, he's a capable enough of a receiver to expect him to catch those.[/quote]

These were some funny, and a bit enlightening, comments by Zorn about Sellers

"There was a couple times when really Ladell should have been in there, or Clinton should have been in there, like the screen," Zorn said. "Nobody knew I was calling the screen, and all of the sudden I called the screen, and Mike's in there, and everybody's going, "oh no, MIKE's in there!"

“We’re trying to score 40, but it seems like … even on that third-and-one, when we tried to get Mike Sellers the ball. And bless his heart, he tried to handle the ball, but we always talk about, as quarterbacks, to running backs and tight ends, you’ve got to keep the ball in the core. And what I mean by that is, don’t put the ball so above his head, like he has to actually extend his arms, because it’s tough. They don’t get to catch a lot of balls like that. We’re always trying to put the ball here, at his face or at his shoulders.”