For the Zorn / Campbell Excuse makers...
 

I just want to point out what some may have briefly touched on at some point, but I think it is extremely necessary to point out three NFL teams (one in particular) and three QBs that spin the Zorn/Campbell excuses around...

1) Atlanta Falcons - Rookie Head Coach, ROOKIE QB - 4-12 last year, 9-5 this year
* First time DEFENSIVE background head coach, ROOKIE QB on a team that was 4-12 last year.
* 5-2 over last 7 games... improving
* Points For - 336 Points Against - 281
* Learning curve really has that drastic effect on an offense/QB??

2) Baltimore Ravens - Rookie HC, Rookie QB - 5-11 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time SPECIAL TEAMS background HC, ROOKIE QB.
* 7-2 over last 9 games... improving
* PF - 325 PA - 213
* You can talk about their defense, but that offense with rookie Flacco, much weaker RB crew and basically same talent at receiver/tight end as Skins still = 325 points to our 231.

3) Miami Dolphins - Rookie HC, QB Signed JUST before season - 1-15 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time HC, QB in brand new system, weak receiving depth on a team that was 1-15 LAST YEAR!!
* 7-1 over last 8! (talk about improvement!)
* PF - 283 PA - 269

4) Washington Redskins - Rookie HC, returning QB in new PASSING system (same running) - 9-7 last year, 7-7 this year
* 1-5 over last 6 games... improving??
* 2-2 vs Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Bengals with a point diff. of +2!!!!
* PF - 231 PA - 266

5) Aaron Rogers, Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler - All QB's same age/experience as Campbell (or less) outplaying (by far) Campbell.

Basically, this information tells you that you'd be crazy to say that the blame for this season is not Zorn or Campbell (or both). We have a better defense than Falcons & Dolphins (with more experience), much better offensive weapons than the Ravens, and are the only team with the same running system as last year with a stud RB. The excuses about Campbell being "young" and needing to "learn" is a huge load of BS... and Zorn's sole responsibility this year has been Campbell and the passing offense which happens to be the absolute worst facet of the team... anyone??

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;512153]I just want to point out what some may have briefly touched on at some point, but I think it is extremely necessary to point out three NFL teams (one in particular) and three QBs that spin the Zorn/Campbell excuses around...

1) Atlanta Falcons - Rookie Head Coach, ROOKIE QB - 4-12 last year, 9-5 this year
* First time DEFENSIVE background head coach, ROOKIE QB on a team that was 4-12 last year.
* 5-2 over last 7 games... improving
* Points For - 336 Points Against - 281
* Learning curve really has that drastic effect on an offense/QB??

2) Baltimore Ravens - Rookie HC, Rookie QB - 5-11 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time SPECIAL TEAMS background HC, ROOKIE QB.
* 7-2 over last 9 games... improving
* PF - 325 PA - 213
* You can talk about their defense, but that offense with rookie Flacco, much weaker RB crew and basically same talent at receiver/tight end as Skins still = 325 points to our 231.

3) Miami Dolphins - Rookie HC, QB Signed JUST before season - 1-15 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time HC, QB in brand new system, weak receiving depth on a team that was 1-15 LAST YEAR!!
* 7-1 over last 8! (talk about improvement!)
* PF - 283 PA - 269

4) Washington Redskins - Rookie HC, returning QB in new PASSING system (same running) - 9-7 last year, 7-7 this year
* 1-5 over last 6 games... improving??
* 2-2 vs Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Bengals with a point diff. of +2!!!!
* PF - 231 PA - 266

5) Aaron Rogers, Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler - All QB's same age/experience as Campbell (or less) outplaying (by far) Campbell.

Basically, this information tells you that you'd be crazy to say that the blame for this season is not Zorn or Campbell (or both). We have a better defense than Falcons & Dolphins (with more experience), much better offensive weapons than the Ravens, and are the only team with the same running system as last year with a stud RB. The excuses about Campbell being "young" and needing to "learn" is a huge load of BS... and Zorn's sole responsibility this year has been Campbell and the passing offense which happens to be the absolute worst facet of the team... anyone??[/quote]
Good post! I think these are all extremely valid points.

Re: For the Zorn / Campbell Excuse makers...
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;512153]I just want to point out what some may have briefly touched on at some point, but I think it is extremely necessary to point out three NFL teams (one in particular) and three QBs that spin the Zorn/Campbell excuses around...

1) Atlanta Falcons - Rookie Head Coach, ROOKIE QB - 4-12 last year, 9-5 this year
* First time DEFENSIVE background head coach, ROOKIE QB on a team that was 4-12 last year.
* 5-2 over last 7 games... improving
* Points For - 336 Points Against - 281
* Learning curve really has that drastic effect on an offense/QB??

2) Baltimore Ravens - Rookie HC, Rookie QB - 5-11 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time SPECIAL TEAMS background HC, ROOKIE QB.
* 7-2 over last 9 games... improving
* PF - 325 PA - 213
* You can talk about their defense, but that offense with rookie Flacco, much weaker RB crew and basically same talent at receiver/tight end as Skins still = 325 points to our 231.

3) Miami Dolphins - Rookie HC, QB Signed JUST before season - 1-15 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time HC, QB in brand new system, weak receiving depth on a team that was 1-15 LAST YEAR!!
* 7-1 over last 8! (talk about improvement!)
* PF - 283 PA - 269

4) Washington Redskins - Rookie HC, returning QB in new PASSING system (same running) - 9-7 last year, 7-7 this year
* 1-5 over last 6 games... improving??
* 2-2 vs Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Bengals with a point diff. of +2!!!!
* PF - 231 PA - 266

5) Aaron Rogers, Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler - All QB's same age/experience as Campbell (or less) outplaying (by far) Campbell.

Basically, this information tells you that you'd be crazy to say that the blame for this season is not Zorn or Campbell (or both). We have a better defense than Falcons & Dolphins (with more experience), much better offensive weapons than the Ravens, and are the only team with the same running system as last year with a stud RB. The excuses about Campbell being "young" and needing to "learn" is a huge load of BS... and Zorn's sole responsibility this year has been Campbell and the passing offense which happens to be the absolute worst facet of the team... anyone??[/quote]

So who should we get for QB then? I think Cassell would be the only option right now, otherwise you go into rebuilding mode and throw Colt Brennan into the fire.

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Thanks...

I was also trying to bust the whole "tough part of the schedule" or "look at those team's schedules" excuses by providing the mind-numbing numbers of

2-2 versus Rams, Lions, Seahawks, and Bengals who are a combined 5-47-1 (HOLY CRAP that's more terrible than I realized!) outside of the games against the Skins with us winning the point differential by a whopping +2 ... obviously strength of schedule is not an excuse either...

Also... who at QB? Farve for a 3rd rounder sounds not so bad now especially considering we gave up a 2nd for JTaylor, but that wasn;t the answer either...

I am just saying that Campbell is NOT in the same class as the guys his same age and if that blame falls on Zorn, OK, but after what year will Campbell not be a "young QB" who "needs to continue learning" anymore?

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I don't think you're going to find many who argue Zorn isn't way over his head at this point. As I said in another thread it won't be a surprise to me if he finds a new home of his own accord (w/o any meddling from Danny). Zorn is utterly overwhelmed and if he has any sense he knows he is outmatched against just about every HC/defensive coordinator he'll face at this level.

I believe we are just experiencing a little calm before the storm here... things will get much more interesting around Redskins park.

Re: For the Zorn / Campbell Excuse makers...
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;512153]I just want to point out what some may have briefly touched on at some point, but I think it is extremely necessary to point out three NFL teams (one in particular) and three QBs that spin the Zorn/Campbell excuses around...

1) Atlanta Falcons - Rookie Head Coach, ROOKIE QB - 4-12 last year, 9-5 this year
* First time DEFENSIVE background head coach, ROOKIE QB on a team that was 4-12 last year.
* 5-2 over last 7 games... improving
* Points For - 336 Points Against - 281
* Learning curve really has that drastic effect on an offense/QB??

2) Baltimore Ravens - Rookie HC, Rookie QB - 5-11 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time SPECIAL TEAMS background HC, ROOKIE QB.
* 7-2 over last 9 games... improving
* PF - 325 PA - 213
* You can talk about their defense, but that offense with rookie Flacco, much weaker RB crew and basically same talent at receiver/tight end as Skins still = 325 points to our 231.

3) Miami Dolphins - Rookie HC, QB Signed JUST before season - 1-15 last year, 9-5 this year
* Again, First time HC, QB in brand new system, weak receiving depth on a team that was 1-15 LAST YEAR!!
* 7-1 over last 8! (talk about improvement!)
* PF - 283 PA - 269

4) Washington Redskins - Rookie HC, returning QB in new PASSING system (same running) - 9-7 last year, 7-7 this year
* 1-5 over last 6 games... improving??
* 2-2 vs Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Bengals with a point diff. of +2!!!!
* PF - 231 PA - 266

5) Aaron Rogers, Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler - All QB's same age/experience as Campbell (or less) outplaying (by far) Campbell.

Basically, this information tells you that you'd be crazy to say that the blame for this season is not Zorn or Campbell (or both). We have a better defense than Falcons & Dolphins (with more experience), much better offensive weapons than the Ravens, and are the only team with the same running system as last year with a stud RB. The excuses about Campbell being "young" and needing to "learn" is a huge load of BS... and Zorn's sole responsibility this year has been Campbell and the passing offense which happens to be the absolute worst facet of the team... anyone??[/quote]


Hey bro, compare the offensive coordinators and QB coaches they have a bigger impact on the offense then the HC.
The only thing this information shows is that you don't know what you're talking about. And like comparing apples and oranges and potatoes.

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[quote=30gut;512160]Hey bro, compare the offensive coordinators and QB coaches they have a bigger impact on the offense then the HC.
The only thing this information shows is that you don't know what you're talking about. And like comparing apples and oranges and potatoes.[/quote]
Did you forget that Zorn is, essentially, our offensive coordinator and QB coach?

Re: For the Zorn / Campbell Excuse makers...
 

ok... give me a minute on that one...

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JC has underperformed and my confidence in Zorn has been shaken to its core, but our problems go WAY beyond two people.

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This is very true (i am huge believer that a team is as good as it's O & D-Lines)... but I'm just saying the excuses for these 2 are really unjustified...

and hey.. name the personnel that has changed from last year's 9-7 playoff team... Head Coach, OC.... and look at what part of our team is worse than last year...

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I don't think we needed a new thread to show that the Ravens, Dolphins, and Falcons are all better than we are this year.

Also, good job showing ignorance of our new running schemes, which were the key to our early 6-2 success, IMO.

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In his first year with the Falcons, Jim Mora: 11-5 and the playoffs. M. Vick's first full year as starter.

Next two years? 15-17

Vermeil's first two years with the Rams: 9-23. Third year: 13-3, Win the Super Bowl.

First year coaches? You can't always tell.

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When it relates to all the Zorn/Campbell arguments on here? I think so...

Just trying to provide insight on not that they are better this year, but just think about comparing these 3 teams after last season ended...

We are the only one that carried over the heavy majority of our starters...

Just adding my perspective of the excuses I am tired of hearing...

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[quote=30gut;512160]Hey bro, compare the offensive coordinators and QB coaches they have a bigger impact on the offense then the HC.
The only thing this information shows is that you don't know what you're talking about. And like comparing apples and oranges and potatoes.[/quote]

I agree!
In my opinion our Offensive line is the reason why we aren't successful

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[quote=GTripp0012;512168]I don't think we needed a new thread to show that the Ravens, Dolphins, and Falcons are all better than we are this year.

[B]Also, good job showing ignorance of our new running schemes, which were the key to our early 6-2 success[/B], IMO.[/quote]


Wow... have you not been paying attention this year at all?? I think on a weekly basis it is made fact that our running scheme was COMPLETELY unchanged from last year!! Ignorance?? Really??

You are right about one thing ... THAT running game, which Zorn had nothing to do with (other than deciding NOT to change it), has been the reason we have won at all this year