2009 Pro-Football Hall of Fame Inductees
 

Bruce Smith
Derrick Thomas
Ralph Wilson
Rod Woodson
Bob Hayes
Randall McDaniel

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No Shannon Sharpe huh, I'm kinda surprised about that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;524227]No Shannon Sharpe huh, I'm kinda surprised about that.[/quote]

Yeah, me too. I'm glad Chris Carter didn't make it. I really don't like that guy.

Bummer Russ Grimm didn't make it.

I was a little surprised Tagliabue wasn't even in the top 10.

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Yeah nice to see Carter shut out again. After what happened to Monk I don't feel sorry for him at all.

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Brucie going in as a Skin??

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[quote=WaldSkins;524230]Brucie going in as a Skin??[/quote]

Umm.... no


Congrats to all though, I'm glad to see Derrick Thomas get in. I was a big fan of his growing up.

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I wanted to see Grimm get in (especially ahead of McDaniel) . A feel good moment that the late Derrick Thomas got in. Funny to see Carter not in the Hall yet.

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Bruce Smith, Rod Wooson, and Randall McDaniel are all no doubt, sure fire Hall of Famers.

And good for Ralph Wilson. You can't use stats to measure owners, but anecdotaly, I fully support his inclusion.

Derrick Thomas was borderline, but I'm really happy for him that he did get in. There were some snubs who deserved it more than him though.

The real perplexing one is 'Bullet' Bob Hayes. Really? A dynamic kick returner early in his career, his career as a pass receiver certainly doesn't suggest that he would one day be in Canton. He was a good punt returner, but only 3 career TDs. I don't know how you can justify him over Sharpe, Carter, or even Andre Reed.

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I don't think you can really argue with any of the inductees. Also surprised Shannon Sharpe didn't get in.

Disagree with Hayes, Gtripp. He changed the way the game was played, and he also has more receiving TDs than Art Monk (who also had a longer career), 20 yard AVERAGE per catch, and 0 fumbles. He was important for the game, stats don't tell the whole story -- but he arguably has the stats to be HoF worthy.

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[quote=Gmanc711;524232]Umm.... no


Congrats to all though, I'm glad to see Derrick Thomas get in. I was a big fan of his growing up.[/quote]

Just joking

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Lineman don't get traditional stats kept for them, but here's a cursory look at Grimm's very nice career vs. McDaniels via PFR. It's clear that McDaniels case was much stronger.
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McDaniel[/URL]

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrimRu00.htm"]Grimm[/URL]

Grimm probably needs to do something of note with his coaching career to get elected. I'd call him 'borderline', and it's great that he's come as far as he has in the process, but he's going to keep getting passed over unless he does something as a NFL head coach, unfortunately.

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[quote=Daseal;524236]I don't think you can really argue with any of the inductees. Also surprised Shannon Sharpe didn't get in.

Disagree with Hayes, Gtripp. He changed the way the game was played, and he also has more receiving TDs than Art Monk (who also had a longer career), 20 yard AVERAGE per catch, and 0 fumbles. He was important for the game, stats don't tell the whole story -- but he arguably has the stats to be HoF worthy.[/quote]Well, I can see the argument for him statistically, but I don't see how/when he did anything to change the way the game was played. He had a explosive beginning to his career, then teams adjusted, and he was never really great after that again.

According to the [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=1341"]PFR Blog[/URL] there are 12 HOF eligible receivers with a stronger case than Hayes. I'd say when a player is in the top five at his position in terms of HOF eligible (but not in yet) talent, he "deserves" to get in. Hayes, even including his wonderful 3 PR TDs, really seems like he jumped a bunch of more qualified people to get in.

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I agree with Gtripp, you're telling me Sharpe, Carter or Reed couldn't beat out Bob Hayes? Any one of those guys are equally deserving [B](if not more) [/B]to have their busts in Canton. Too bad for Carter, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jerry Rice come on the ballot next year? If so its going to be a few years before Carter will get in

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[quote=vallin21;524240]I agree with Gtripp, you're telling me Sharpe, Carter or Reed couldn't beat out Bob Hayes? Any one of those guys are equally deserving [B](if not more) [/B]to have their busts in Canton. Too bad for Carter, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jerry Rice come on the ballot next year? If so its going to be a few years before Carter will get in[/quote]I don't know for sure if Rice gets on the ballot next year, but I would suspect he does.

Emmitt is definately on the ballot next year. Rice had that training camp run with the Broncos back in 2005, so I'm not sure if that forces him back another year.

But if it doesn't that's two spots that absolutely are taken by sure-fire hall of famers, and Carter could get pushed back another year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;524238]Lineman don't get traditional stats kept for them, but here's a cursory look at Grimm's very nice career vs. McDaniels via PFR. It's clear that McDaniels case was much stronger.
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McDaRa00.htm"]
McDaniel[/URL]

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrimRu00.htm"]Grimm[/URL]

Grimm probably needs to do something of note with his coaching career to get elected. I'd call him 'borderline', and it's great that he's come as far as he has in the process, but he's going to keep getting passed over unless he does something as a NFL head coach, unfortunately.[/quote]

What about his contribution to AZ if they win the SB. I'm sure that will help. With a SB as a assistant HC and Line coach might that be enough?