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PennSkinsFan 02-09-2009 04:41 PM

Top Three at Thirteen
 
[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/02/mocking-the-draft-qb-matt-stafford-still-consensus-number-1.html]Mocking the Draft: QB Matt Stafford Still Consensus number 1 - DC Pro Sports Report[/url]

We have updated the [B][URL="http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm"]Mock Draft Database[/URL][/B]. We not have 190 mock drafts listed for 2009 draft. We also have compiled results for the mock drafts updated in February for picks 1 through 5. We have also for the redskins and the Redskins consensus if far from clear, but comes down to three players.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-09-2009 05:12 PM

Re: Top Three at Thirteen
 
If one of the "Big 4" OTs is available when we pick, we should see how good of an offer we can get to trade down. If we can trade down to the mid 20s and pick up a 2nd round pick and 4th-6th round pick, we should do it (with the plan on drafting OT and OG with our first two picks). If not, we should take the best OT still available at 13.

Under no circumstances should we take a DL player at 13. None of the guys ive seen projected to fall that far seem worthy of the pick, especially over one of the Big 4 OTs.

Hamoskinz 02-09-2009 05:51 PM

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;525961]If one of the "Big 4" OTs is available when we pick, we should see how good of an offer we can get to trade down. If we can trade down to the mid 20s and pick up a 2nd round pick and 4th-6th round pick, we should do it (with the plan on drafting OT and OG with our first two picks). If not, we should take the best OT still available at 13.

Under no circumstances should we take a DL player at 13. None of the guys ive seen projected to fall that far seem worthy of the pick, especially over one of the Big 4 OTs.[/quote]

The voice of sanity

Redskin Jim 02-10-2009 01:07 AM

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Stafford would be the worst thing to EVER happen to the Skins! I mean Ever.. Look at his body of work, poor decision making, a cannon for an arm. His game is along the lines of Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George! If we pick him, the Team is in for another 5-6 years of mediocrity because we will be crippled finacially by this pick and tied to a quarterback that is not an nfl calliber player. I seriously hope Snyderotto is not that blind to see we need to address the lines this draft and maybe next year dip into a quarterback rich draft of 2010....

SouperMeister 02-10-2009 01:53 AM

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[quote=Redskin Jim;526023]Stafford would be the worst thing to EVER happen to the Skins! I mean Ever.. Look at his body of work, poor decision making, a cannon for an arm. His game is along the lines of Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George! If we pick him, the Team is in for another 5-6 years of mediocrity because we will be crippled finacially by this pick and tied to a quarterback that is not an nfl calliber player. I seriously hope Snyderotto is not that blind to see we need to address the lines this draft and maybe next year dip into a quarterback rich draft of 2010....[/quote]Jim, read the link before you post - nobody suggested that we take Stafford at 13. It's only stating that the mock draft has Stafford rated #1 overall. We will almost certainly be drafting a lineman or trading down to draft multiple linemen.

skinsfaninok 02-10-2009 03:03 AM

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I think if E.Brown is there at 13 we will take him, The BEST O-LINEMAN may be gone at 13, if so then we really need to look at a DE.. I ve also seen mocks having us take that Heyward-Bay WR from Maryland at 13.. Not sure if he's worth takin that high

SBXVII 02-10-2009 08:30 AM

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;525961]If one of the "Big 4" OTs is available when we pick, we should see how good of an offer we can get to trade down. If we can trade down to the mid 20s and pick up a 2nd round pick and 4th-6th round pick, we should do it (with the plan on drafting OT and OG with our first two picks). If not, we should take the best OT still available at 13.

[B]Under no circumstances should we take a DL player at 13. None of the guys ive seen projected to fall that far seem worthy of the pick, especially over one of the Big 4 OTs.[/quote][/B]

One teams luxury is another teams basic need. Hard to put a price on a needed position. I understand everyone is using the value system, but keep in mind I keep hearing how the draft is full with OL and slim pickins in the DL catagory. Also hearing that after the first top pick there is a major decline in talent in all positions.

freddyg12 02-10-2009 09:38 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;526029]I think if E.Brown is there at 13 we will take him, The BEST O-LINEMAN may be gone at 13, if so then we really need to look at a DE.. I ve also seen mocks having us take that Heyward-Bay WR from Maryland at 13.. Not sure if he's worth takin that high[/quote]

I like E. Brown a lot, but he's another tweener type that might be best suited to a 3-4. (See the discussion in the thread asking if we should switch to a 3-4 defense.)

I think Brown is going to be really good & seems smart & mature. The problem w/drafting him is w/our current system, and Blache values gap control so much that d linemen have to play conservatively. Brown is a pure pass rusher & needs to play in a system where he can get upfield a lot.

Redskin Jim 02-10-2009 11:04 AM

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[quote=SouperMeister;526026]Jim, read the link before you post - nobody suggested that we take Stafford at 13. It's only stating that the mock draft has Stafford rated #1 overall. We will almost certainly be drafting a lineman or trading down to draft multiple linemen.[/quote]
Phwew.. I read that last night and almost lost my mind! Thanks for giving me my sanity back...

BigHairedAristocrat 02-10-2009 11:27 AM

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[quote=freddyg12;526058]I like E. Brown a lot, but he's another tweener type that might be best suited to a 3-4. (See the discussion in the thread asking if we should switch to a 3-4 defense.)

I think Brown is going to be really good & seems smart & mature. The problem w/drafting him is w/our current system, and Blache values gap control so much that d linemen have to play conservatively. Brown is a pure pass rusher & needs to play in a system where he can get upfield a lot.[/quote]

Its interesting you said that... in reading many mocks, it seems most of the college DEs are pojected as either 3-4 DEs or LBs at the NFL level. Very few of the top DEs are pojected to be DEs in a 4-3 defense.

That said, our OL is more of a concern (by far) than our DL. Assuming we keep Griffin (as speculated), having a healthy Daniels back alone will upgrade our unit over last year, with or without Jason Taylor. It is an area that certainly needs to be addressed, but our entire Oline (save for Samuels) needs to be rebuilt over the next two years. As it stands right now, we need a new starting RT and one, if not two new starting guards. Center can be delayed one more year and Samuels needs to move to the RT position at some point in 2009 or 2010. Otherwise, he will need to be replaced soon - possibly as soon as 2011.

freddyg12 02-10-2009 12:11 PM

Re: Top Three at Thirteen
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526065]Its interesting you said that... in reading many mocks, it seems most of the college DEs are pojected as either 3-4 DEs or LBs at the NFL level. Very few of the top DEs are pojected to be DEs in a 4-3 defense.

That said, our OL is more of a concern (by far) than our DL. Assuming we keep Griffin (as speculated), having a healthy Daniels back alone will upgrade our unit over last year, with or without Jason Taylor. It is an area that certainly needs to be addressed, but our entire Oline (save for Samuels) needs to be rebuilt over the next two years. As it stands right now, we need a new starting RT and one, if not two new starting guards. Center can be delayed one more year and Samuels needs to move to the RT position at some point in 2009 or 2010. Otherwise, he will need to be replaced soon - possibly as soon as 2011.[/quote]

I certainly agree that OL is more pressing, simply because at present we have a QB on IR situation waiting to happen if Jansen/Heyer has to play a full year at RT (and Zorn won't leave a rb in to help, but that's another story). But I don't think the O line overall is much worse than the d-line/pass rush.

I know the D played well, but I don't think we can expect them to maintain as is if there's not something done to improve the pass rush. It doesn't have to be on the d-line, it could be an OLB (they could employ Brown as a such & line him up at DE on passing downs) or simply moving Landry back to SS & blitzing him more. I just don't think our defense is nearly talented enough to come back in 09 & continually keep us in games. I expect a fairly big dropoff if nothing is done to improve the starting lineup. Also, don't expect much from Phillip Daniels, I love that guy but he'll be 35 or 36(?) & his legs might not even be able to get him through OTAs. He might retire while he still has his health.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-10-2009 02:10 PM

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Another reason O-line should be our primary position to upgrade is so that Jason Campbell can be evaluated without having a poor line as an excuse. From bringing in Zorn to drafting 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round last year, this team has put an emphasis on giving Jason campbell everything he needs to succeed. It would be foolish to stop short now and allow him to be behind the same pathetic line in 09.

jsarno 02-11-2009 03:38 AM

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Just about every mock draft I have seen has us taking a DE. While I do think we could use a DE, I do not think it's our number 1 priority, or even #2 priority. We need OL help, and bad. Both our tackles are old, and our guards havent exactly been healthy...I am firm believer that you go only as far as your Oline can take you. We need to beef up.

LandrySlice 02-11-2009 03:40 PM

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We need an OT the more I think about it, and anything else can be taken care of next year or in free agency!

TheMalcolmConnection 02-11-2009 03:47 PM

Re: Top Three at Thirteen
 
For me, I want us to stay put in the draft and take the BEST AVAILABLE at OL. If it's C, G or OT I don't care. We take that, use our picks again next year on offensive line so we have some depth and then pick up one of the below in FA:

[url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DL&y=2010]KFFL - 2010 NFL Free Agents[/url]

We'll have a semi-full compliment of draft picks in 2010 so I'm feeling good provided we don't start mortgaging the future again.


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