Will Haynesworth and Dockery be worth 3 wins?
 

Obviously Friday was big as we upgraded both lines immediately. After jumping out to a 6-2 start we can outline games that both lines basically cost us. We couldn't stop the run vs. Dallas, Baltimore and Cincinnati and our OL was a sieve vs. Pittsburgh and NYG. 3 more wins makes us an 11 win team and would represent our best record in over a decade. I think the Dockery signing was more important to our success next year because our greatest need was on the OL.

We've got a relatively young skill position core (Campbell, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, Portis, Haynesworth, Landry, Rogers, Hall) that is a combination of proven and unproven players but we've got to be successful in '09 or else we're looking at another start over next offseason.

We still need a RT and SLB, do we still have cap room (Schneed thought we did last night) to address one of these needs in free agency?

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To answer the title - No, but as you point out, our major needs are rt & slb. I think that RT was & still is the biggest priority. W/out an upgrade there, the nfc east & others will always load their best pass rushers on that side. Zorn seems dead set on running 4 wr sets & not keeping a rb in to block, so the system puts a lot of pressure on the tackles. Right now, I don't think Jansen or Heyer is starting material anywhere in the nfl.

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According to these numbers that uhhum I uh put together uh definitely will be worth 2.6 more wins or something like uh that.

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The one thing that worries me though about just getting Dock for our O-Line is that we replace essentially our best lineman from last year (Kendal). So if we just get him then I see little change among our O-lineman unless

- Thomas can come back for one last hoorah
- Heyer can develop beyond what we thought he was
- Rabach can recover from last year.

Either way I think we need a RT bad weather it be Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Ray Willis, or one of the second tier tackles in the draft.

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I'm with you, however, I do think the moves we made makes it much easier for us to move down and draft maybe Britton and an LB in the second round.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;532023]I'm with you, however, I do think the moves we made makes it much easier for us to move down and draft maybe Britton and an LB in the second round.[/quote]

I'm with you on that..we made some excellent moves on the D now it's time for offense...I'd still Love a change of pace back , that runs with a purpose

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;532023]I'm with you, however, I do think the moves we made makes it much easier for us to move down and draft maybe Britton and an LB in the second round.[/quote]

TMC, I like your draft assessment and Dirtbag's projections with AH, but I disagree with Paintrain about CP being young, he's up there in both age and mileage for a RB. He has exceeded the avg. life of 4 yrs. as a RB in the NFL, and done it very well.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;532022]According to these numbers that uhhum I uh put together uh definitely will be worth 2.6 more wins or something like uh that.

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The one thing that worries me though about just getting Dock for our O-Line is that we replace essentially our best lineman from last year (Kendal). So if we just get him then I see little change among our O-lineman unless

- Thomas can come back for one last hoorah
- Heyer can develop beyond what we thought he was
- Rabach can recover from last year.

Either way I think we need a RT bad weather it be Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Ray Willis, or one of the second tier tackles in the draft.[/quote]

Dirtbag, you need to sue ESPN, they stole your numbers and posted them as their own. :lol:

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The o-line MUST be addressed! Our defense was number 4 last year with no pass rush, which makes me giddy inside thinking of this year... Even though our edge rushers are questionable, they should be freed up considerably more often than last year with the presence of big al in the middle.. That being said, our big problem last year was NOT the defense! IT WAAS and STILL is the OFFENSE! We need to score points! We need to extend drives, we need to bust holes to run through, and we need to protect the quaterback for sufficient time to deliver the ball to playmakers!!!!! Pheww... IN SHORT WE NEED TO FIX THE O-LINE.... or we will be 8-8 next year, because we will not score any points...... AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Redskin Jim;532134]The o-line MUST be addressed! Our defense was number 4 last year with no pass rush, which makes me giddy inside thinking of this year... Even though our edge rushers are questionable, they should be freed up considerably more often than last year with the presence of big al in the middle.. That being said, our big problem last year was NOT the defense! IT WAAS and STILL is the OFFENSE! We need to score points! We need to extend drives, we need to bust holes to run through, and we need to protect the quaterback for sufficient time to deliver the ball to playmakers!!!!! Pheww... IN SHORT WE NEED TO FIX THE O-LINE.... or we will be 8-8 next year, because we will not score any points...... AGAIN!!!!!!!!![/quote]

The o-line will be addressed in the draft.

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Thats what im hoping for... May be Heyer and Rinehart step up, we draft Smith or Oher, and Samuels, Thomas, Dock,Rabach, UH-HM Jansen are able to stay healthy and give the offense the push they need... LITERALLY. PLEASE.?!

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[quote=Redskin Jim;532134]The o-line MUST be addressed! Our defense was number 4 last year with no pass rush, which makes me giddy inside thinking of this year... Even though our edge rushers are questionable, they should be freed up considerably more often than last year with the presence of big al in the middle.. That being said, our big problem last year was NOT the defense! IT WAAS and STILL is the OFFENSE! We need to score points! We need to extend drives, we need to bust holes to run through, and we need to protect the quaterback for sufficient time to deliver the ball to playmakers!!!!! Pheww... IN SHORT WE NEED TO FIX THE O-LINE.... or we will be 8-8 next year, because we will not score any points...... AGAIN!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Lets not forget we have a more experienced team going into 09 with up and coming guys already on the team waiting their turn. So we have addressed some of the holes last year. we just have'nt seen them yet. with the addition of a few more guys aquired in the draft we should be getting pretty close. I think it will take 1 more season to be completly solid on both sides of the line.

But with what we have we should have at least a 10-6 season this year. If the WCO clicks and the D causes some turnovers/sacks and helps puts points on the board. we could see better than 10-6

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[quote=44ever;532140]Lets not forget we have a more experienced team going into 09 with up and coming guys already on the team waiting their turn. So we have addressed some of the holes last year. we just have'nt seen them yet. with the addition of a few more guys aquired in the draft we should be getting pretty close. I think it will take 1 more season to be completly solid on both sides of the line.

But with what we have we should have at least a 10-6 season this year. If the WCO clicks and the D causes some turnovers/sacks and helps puts points on the board. we could see better than 10-6[/quote]
I agree that we should be improved from last year, but, to get back on track of the thread, I don't think that AH And Dock = 3 wins... My only defense of my opinion is the age and inability of the o line to stay healthy. REMEMBER Dock is replacing Kendall, who was the most consistant player on the line...

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I think we should trade up in the draft, maybe a few spots just to ensure that we get a solid RT. There are a lot of teams that have a need at Tackle, and I don't think San Fran is gonna pass on Smith. I think we are one solid Tackle, and one linebacker away from bieng a 10-6 or better team.

I think we should lock up Angelo Crowell, if we still have room; and swap picks with Jax, maybe trade next years third or something, and were golden

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[quote=Redskin Jim;532146]I agree that we should be improved from last year, but, to get back on track of the thread, I don't think that AH And Dock = 3 wins... My only defense of my opinion is the age and inability of the o line to stay healthy. REMEMBER Dock is replacing Kendall, who was the most consistant player on the line...[/quote]

I think the one guy everyone is over looking is Portis. If we fail to go to a 2 back system this season. I think the odds are we will lose Portis to injury and it won't matter if we have AH or anyone else. But to get back on topic. I think AH = 2 more wins. For two reasons
1) field position
2) turn overs.

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Didn't HB Blades do well at SLB last year?