Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

I always wondered what would happen if I had to rush to get the hospital without a police escort. Anyway Moats thinks the cop might have had a hint of racial pretense. I honestly disagree, instead I propose that the guy just seems like an overall jerk but thats just my opinion. Anyway ESPN has the whole thing on tape.

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4019107]Police Chief On Incident Involving Moats - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

So what do you guys think?

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

I cant watch the video here at work but I read a story about it on Foxsports. The police cheif even admits the officer was at fault here. But as to the racial pretense part....... I dont really think thats the case here.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

Yea I saw this and read what happened. What an asshole I couldn't believe it when I read it. Damn cops that think they have so much power so ridiculous

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/22540-baltimore-cop-vs-kid-2.html#post539842[/url]

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;540008]Yea I saw this and read what happened. What an asshole I couldn't believe it when I read it. Damn cops that think they have so much power so ridiculous[/quote]

Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=FRPLG;540012][URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/22540-baltimore-cop-vs-kid-2.html#post539842[/URL][/quote]


I didn't look at this video but if it's the one with the meter maid officer who yells at the skate boarders and jacks the kid up. He needed to be fired. Nothing else said. Well, except for the law suite I would have for the officer.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=SBXVII;540018]Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.[/quote]
He'd been on the force 25 years. It's in the article.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

Three in a row. :( Just keep in mind. No matter where you live or where you work their are assholes. I like to think the assholes are the 1% in any given situation. Yes you will find bad cops, but for every on bad cop there is a whole department of good ones.

It would be unfair to say everyone on message boards are assholes when it's probably only 1% who are that cause problems.

Just keep in mind.....an officer has a job to do. If he doesn't do his job the community gets mad, people get hurt and he gets fired. He or she has a lot of stress to deal with everyday. The biggest issue being will he or she make it home to their wife/husband and kids. At any given moment that can be taken away from them:

[url=http://officer.com/]Police & Law Enforcement - Officer.com Police News, Forums, Links and More for Police Officers, Law Enforcement, Corrections, Sheriffs and More[/url]

go halfway down and look at "officer down in the line of duty" and look at the officers who will not be saying good night to their loved ones anymore.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=FRPLG;540028]He'd been on the force 25 years. It's in the article.[/quote]

Again I only saw the NFL footage. I'm not trying to defend him. I agree he messed up and should have handled it another way.

Just asking people to not be judgmental of everyone.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=SBXVII;540018]Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.[/quote]
That's all well and good, but by the time he actually got to the car they were already in the hospital parking lot and Moats' wife was crying and running to the door.

I understand the cop probably felt like he was just doing his job, and that he probably became aggrevated because Moats was fairly emotional himself, but common sense should have taken over sooner. There was no reason for the cop to hold him for 15 minutes, or to threaten to arrest him and have his car towed when it was obvious that the man just needed to get into the hospital ASAP.

And I thought the cop was only 25. Towards the end of the video he says "I've had one chase in 3 years," or something like that.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=SBXVII;540030]Three in a row. :( Just keep in mind. No matter where you live or where you work their are assholes. I like to think the assholes are the 1% in any given situation. Yes you will find bad cops, but for every on bad cop there is a whole department of good ones.

It would be unfair to say everyone on message boards are assholes when it's probably only 1% who are that cause problems.

Just keep in mind.....an officer has a job to do. If he doesn't do his job the community gets mad, people get hurt and he gets fired. He or she has a lot of stress to deal with everyday. The biggest issue being will he or she make it home to their wife/husband and kids. At any given moment that can be taken away from them:

[url=http://officer.com/]Police & Law Enforcement - Officer.com Police News, Forums, Links and More for Police Officers, Law Enforcement, Corrections, Sheriffs and More[/url]

go halfway down and look at "officer down in the line of duty" and look at the officers who will not be saying good night to their loved ones anymore.[/quote]

Well put

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;539996]I always wondered what would happen if I had to rush to get the hospital without a police escort. Anyway Moats thinks the cop might have had a hint of racial pretense. I honestly disagree, instead I propose that the guy just seems like an overall jerk but thats just my opinion. Anyway ESPN has the whole thing on tape.

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4019107]Police Chief On Incident Involving Moats - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

So what do you guys think?[/quote]

First off, the cop needs to get fired. I'm not sure if it was in that article or another one but he pulled out his gun on the wife when she got out of the car and started for the hospital door. If 4 people get out of a car in tears doesn't it make sense that there may some legitimacy to their story. Hell, even escort the driver into the hospital to confirm the story but to detain him and threaten him with jail and say 'I don't care' when he said that his mother in law is dying is just inexcusable.

As for the racial undertones, I'm certainly not going to dismiss it and would lean towards he wasn't given any benefit of the doubt based on that factor. I just don't want to see Jesse and Rev. Al holding a press conference on the hospital lawn.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;540032]That's all well and good, but by the time he actually got to the car they were already in the hospital parking lot and Moats' wife was crying and running to the door.

I understand the cop probably felt like he was just doing his job, and that he probably became aggrevated because Moats was fairly emotional himself, but common sense should have taken over sooner. There was no reason for the cop to hold him for 15 minutes, or to threaten to arrest him and have his car towed when it was obvious that the man just needed to get into the hospital ASAP.

And I thought the cop was only 25. Towards the end of the video he says "I've had one chase in 3 years," or something like that.[/quote]

As I stated before he could have handled it differently I'm sure. When you were young, how many times were you faced with a situation, handled it, and reflected back and wished you handled it differently or felt you could have done something differently to get a better outcome? It's all about experience. Personal experiences in life make people learn. If he has not had an experience like that before he might not know any better. Please don't think cops have the answer to everything, it's just they are expected to have the answer to everything. They have to come up with the best answer they can find for the moment. That officer failed on that day. It doesn't mean he isn't a good officer. Police are human too and to human is error. It happens. unfortunatly in the cop world I'm sure to error is a compounded problem.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

[quote=Paintrain;540036]First off, the cop needs to get fired. I'm not sure if it was in that article or another one but he pulled out his gun on the wife when she got out of the car and started for the hospital door. If 4 people get out of a car in tears doesn't it make sense that there may some legitimacy to their story. Hell, even escort the driver into the hospital to confirm the story but to detain him and threaten him with jail and say 'I don't care' when he said that his mother in law is dying is just inexcusable.

As for the racial undertones, I'm certainly not going to dismiss it and would lean towards he wasn't given any benefit of the doubt based on that factor. I just don't want to see Jesse and Rev. Al holding a press conference on the hospital lawn.[/quote]

Wow, Ok, I'll take the beating. To your answer...yes and no. On a traffic stop, any traffic stop, the first thing the officer is trained to do is "Keep officer safety." In some states it's a rule that the public has to get out of their car during a traffic stop(driver only). If anyone else gets out he/or she should be worried about their safety. A gun will be coming out of the holster.

In Va. most officers want the individuals to stay in their car. Also how would this story look if ....the ladies got out crying, walking toward the hospital, then the driver got out and shot the cop? Then later you found out the driver had kidnapped the ladies and their car. What if the man took his wife and her sister and stopped the car in hopes of having a "suicide by cop" incident. Which is where someone wants to die but would rather not do it themselves.

Re: Ryan Moats and the DPD
 

Again, again, again. I'm not defending his actions. Simply saying he handled this situation wrong. but for the officers perspective he has to constantly be looking out for his safety.

Now let me jump on your side of the fence a moment. It should have taken only 1-2 minutes to figure out why they were upset and say "ok, I'll walk you up to the room. If your lying to me I'll charge you with an extra charge."
He would have found out they were on the up and up and apologized and moved on.