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Dirtbag59 04-03-2009 03:36 PM

ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-15/On-the-Clock--Washington-Redskins.html"]On the Clock: Washington Redskins - NFC East - ESPN[/URL]
April 3, 2009 9:30 AM
[I]Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley[/I]
[B]Teams needs[/B]: Defensive end, offensive tackle, linebacker, guard[B]

[/B][B] Dream scenario[/B]: The Redskins were ready to mortgage their 2009 and 2010 drafts in order to land [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597"]Jay Cutler[/URL]. But it wasn't enough. Now, they'll stay at No. 13 overall and try to find more help on defense. Tennessee defensive end [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24762"]Robert Ayers[/URL] is a player the Redskins have fallen in love with since he had a breakout performance during Senior Bowl week. He has a little baggage (a 2005 arrest), but he's coming off an excellent 2008 season in which he made 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and took over several games. The Redskins desperately need help at left end, and Ayers would be a Day 1 starter. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1033"]Phillip Daniels[/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1206"]Renaldo Wynn[/URL] are serviceable, but at this point in their careers you don't want to lean on them heavily. There's also a chance that Vinny Cerrato tries to trade out of that 13th pick and make a run at Ayers or even offensive tackle [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23889"]Michael Oher[/URL]. The Redskins don't have much ammunition in the draft (five picks), so a trade could put them in a better situation. Actually, the dream scenario is [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24064"]Brian Orakpo[/URL] slipping to 13, but that's a stretch. There's some thought that the Raiders might take him at No. 7. Also keep your eye on LSU defensive end [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24607"]Tyson Jackson[/URL]

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GTripp0012 04-03-2009 04:02 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
Ayers seems like a smokescreen, to an extent at least. Not that I don't want him, but I doubt we'd take him if say, Clay Matthews was on the board.

The Goat 04-03-2009 04:17 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
GT you've said in the past LDE is maybe the easiest position in Blache's system...well, is it really worth the 13th overall pick then? I tend to think LDE isn't even in our top 3 needs (putting LB, RT, and C ahead of LDE). Anyway, i just don't get the idea of drafting Ayers at 13. Second, why the hell are we higher on Cushing than Rey? Can someone explain that...

warriorzpath 04-03-2009 04:30 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
I would prefer an offensive tackle in oher or andre smith, but Robert Ayers is worthy of the 13th pick. He's not that fast in rushing the passer, but he gets good penetration. He seems strong enough to anchor the left d-end spot. The only question with him is that he is a late bloomer; 2008 being his lone standout year.

Lotus 04-03-2009 04:32 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[quote=The Goat;542954]GT you've said in the past LDE is maybe the easiest position in Blache's system...well, is it really worth the 13th overall pick then? I tend to think LDE isn't even in our top 3 needs (putting LB, RT, and C ahead of LDE). Anyway, i just don't get the idea of drafting Ayers at 13. Second, why the hell are we higher on Cushing than Rey? Can someone explain that...[/quote]

Goat, perhaps one explanation for the Cushing thing is the thought that he would be better on the outside rather than in the middle. Another explanation is that when writers say, "Team X is high on Joe Blow" this team of year, they are often dead wrong. Maybe you can think of more reasons.

As for drafting Ayers at pick #13, the article is talking about trading down and then taking Ayers later.

Personally I would be all for this. I think Ayers would be a great fit in Blache's system. LDE may be the easiest position in Blache's system, but it also is a lynchpin position - the system presumes that the LDE will take care of his business well. If the LDE can exceed expectations, and Ayers might, the whole D gets better. And if the Skins get a good late 1st/2nd round RT or C out of the deal, that would be a fabulous beginning to the draft.

GTripp0012 04-03-2009 04:44 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[quote=The Goat;542954]GT you've said in the past LDE is maybe the easiest position in Blache's system...well, is it really worth the 13th overall pick then? I tend to think LDE isn't even in our top 3 needs (putting LB, RT, and C ahead of LDE). Anyway, i just don't get the idea of drafting Ayers at 13. Second, why the hell are we higher on Cushing than Rey? Can someone explain that...[/quote]Rey's skill set doesn't impress me all that much, since I'm more convinced now than ever before that you have to keep him inside and protect him to get a productive player. That's an eventual need for us, but he doesn't help us next year.

Cushing doesn't make a lot of sense either, though he gives us a lot more flexibility with future plans than Rey does.

As far as LDE goes, I wouldn't touch a player who I thought couldn't play elsewhere in this defense as a rookie. It's an eventual need for us, not an immediate one.

warriorzpath 04-03-2009 04:44 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[quote=Lotus;542958]Goat, perhaps one explanation for the Cushing thing is the thought that he would be better on the outside rather than in the middle. Another explanation is that when writers say, "Team X is high on Joe Blow" this team of year, they are often dead wrong. Maybe you can think of more reasons.

As for drafting Ayers at pick #13, the article is talking about trading down and then taking Ayers later.

Personally I would be all for this. I think Ayers would be a great fit in Blache's system. LDE may be the easiest position in Blache's system, but it also is a lynchpin position - the system presumes that the LDE will take care of his business well. If the LDE can exceed expectations, and Ayers might, the whole D gets better. And if the Skins get a good late 1st/2nd round RT or C out of the deal, that would be a fabulous beginning to the draft.[/quote]

Even though I think if oher or andre smith were on the board, you have to take them here, but I agree that LDE is important in Blache's system. He seems stout against the run and has the ability to put consistent pressure on the quarterback. Like I said before, though, is- he isn't blazingly fast. That sounds like a good fit at LDE for the redskins.

One other thing it would do is - take away some of the deficiencies left at strong-side linebacker.

warriorzpath 04-03-2009 04:52 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
It also looks like you could put Robert Ayers in at DT in obvious passing situations. He looks strong enough to man that spot.

warriorzpath 04-03-2009 07:30 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
The more I think about it, the more I like picking up Robert Ayers at this spot. And hopefully there's enough talent in the draft to pick up a decent RT in the 3rd round. The more I see of him - the more disruptive I can see him being in the NFL. Just imagine partnering up that disruptiveness with Haynesworth.

With Ayers's talent, the redskins' defense would be tough. Picture that front 4 with Ayers, Griffin, Haynesworth, and Carter. Regardless of the hole at slb, the redskins D would be dominant.

That would be my prediction anyway if Ayers was picked up at 13.

Dirtbag59 04-03-2009 07:31 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[quote=warriorzpath;543031]The more I think about it, the more I like picking up Robert Ayers at this spot. And hopefully there's enough talent in the draft to pick up a decent RT in the 3rd round. The more I see of him - the more disruptive I can see him being in the NFL. Just imagine partnering up that disruptiveness with Haynesworth.

With Ayers's talent, the redskins' defense would be tough. Picture that front 4 with Ayers, Griffin, Haynesworth, and Carter. Regardless of the hole at slb, the redskins D would be dominant.

That would be my prediction anyway if Ayers was picked up at 13.[/quote]

There won't be a decent RT in the 3rd round. Well at least one that can contribute right away. Ayers would be a pretty safe pick but so would any of the big 4. Still it would be nice to see a lineman drafted early instead of a skilled guy.

GusFrerotte 04-03-2009 09:08 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
It will be total BS if we go for a DE at 13. We need to build a new offensive line!!!!!! Think Portis is going to last long with the bunch we have now? He got banged up quite a bit last season, and unless you get some top gun blockers for him he will end up like poor Stephen Davis.

GusFrerotte 04-03-2009 09:12 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
Quality linemen are rarely found past round 2, and oops we don't have a round 2 if I am not mistaken, so #13 should be a offensive linemen. A third rounder would just be good for depth, while we need bona fide starters!!!!

Dirtbag59 04-03-2009 09:24 PM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
[quote=GusFrerotte;543069]Quality linemen are rarely found past round 2, and oops we don't have a round 2 if I am not mistaken, so #13 should be a offensive linemen. A third rounder would just be good for depth, while we need bona fide starters!!!![/quote]

Actually I'd say that there are more then a handful of quality lineman available past round 2. The catch is they usually take about 2 to 3 years to develop if that. 1st and 2nd round guys are usually capable of stepping in on day 1 and basically just going from there. The Ravens have a nice stable of guys that were picked from rounds 3-7. The only difference is they usually weren't able to step in.

mcludka 04-04-2009 12:41 AM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
I am all of a sudden thinking we might trade up. It is not what I would want, but it is exactly the kindof out-of-leftfield move we always make. Maybe to make sure we get one of the big OTs? Anyone get the same feeling? We never seem to value future picks much anyway....

mauiRedskinbarn 04-04-2009 03:28 AM

Re: ESPN: Redskins on the clock
 
Ayers reminds me alot of phillip Daniels. he looks really big and physical. He plays the run exceptionally well, and he's pretty decent at the pass rush. He looks like a perfect fit for Blache's system. Especially since Daniels and Wynn are not going to be here after this season. Might as well start grooming a DE this year in preperation for next.


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