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Mattyk 04-23-2009 02:47 PM

Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
#1 - Heath Shuler
#2 - Andre Johnson
#3 - Desmond Howard
#4 - Michael Westbrook
#5 - Rod Gardner

honorable mention: Patrick Ramsey

Who's on your list?

SmootSmack 04-23-2009 03:10 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
I take it we're talking first rounders only?

If so, hard to argue with that list

Gmanc711 04-23-2009 03:24 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=Mattyk72;548777]#1 - Heath Shuler
#2 - Andre Johnson
#3 - Desmond Howard
#4 - Michael Westbrook
#5 - Rod Gardner

honorable mention: Patrick Ramsey

Who's on your list?[/quote]

Well Heath Shuler should not even be a debate. He's far and away #1 ... and didn't Andre Johnson not even make the team out of training camp? Am I thinking of someone else..but I thought we had some really high draft pick not even make it through camp....

Desmod Howard was a huge bust for the Skins' and while not a great player, he was still a Super Bowl MVP...

I'd put Ramsey way ahead of both Westbrook and Gardner and a couple other guys ahead of that.... I mean Westbrook started for the Redskins for what? 8-9 years? I mean he was never great, but he was still a starter in the league for us for a while, so its hard to call him a bust... Gardner is kind of the same... I mean he still had some really nice plays and a few REALLY good games (I'll never forget that one Cowboys game in 2004 on MNF) ... but never was able to put it all together and dropped some REALLY bad balls...but again I wouldnt mark him as a complete and total bust.....

I'd say Ramsey is ahead of both of them on the list, basically because (even though I defended that guy to the death)... he really did nothing for the Redskins. He won a handful of really meaningless games....

I mean if you look at all the Skins 1st round picks since 1990... its actually pretty depressing.

Bobby Wilson , Desomond Howard , Tom Carter-, Heath Shuler, Westbrook, Johnson, Kenard Lang, Champ Bailey, LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Rod Gardner, Patrick Ramsey, Sean Taylor, Carols Rogers, Jason Campbell and LaRon Landry...


I mean who has really lived up to being a first round pick? Bailey, Samuels, Taylor? I mean Rogers/Campbell/Landry are all still really young... but there is a TON of busts on there....

... thats why sometimes this "build through the draft" thing kind of gets me... cause I'm sure were not the only team whos 1st round picks look awful... its really such a crap shoot.

skinsfan69 04-23-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
1. Heath Shuler
2. Desmond Howard
3. Patrick Ramsey
4. Tom Carter
5.Andre Johnson

WaldSkins 04-23-2009 03:42 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
Lavar Arrington falls right behind Shuler in my book.

Mattyk 04-23-2009 03:50 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=WaldSkins;548797]Lavar Arrington falls right behind Shuler in my book.[/quote]

A 3 time Pro Bowler a bust?

Things kinda fell apart for him at the end with injuries. I don't know, I have a hard time calling him a bust.

Paintrain 04-23-2009 03:54 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
1. Heath Shuler
2. Desmond Howard
3. Michael Westbrook
4. Andre Johnson
5. Patrick Ramsey

Honorable mention-Taylor Jacobs. My favorite Jacobs story is from the '05 season when he was pressed into duty late in the year. He got hit hard once and after the play ran off the field screaming, 'I think I have a concussion!'

SC Skins Fan 04-23-2009 04:08 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=Gmanc711;548791]I'd put Ramsey way ahead of both Westbrook and Gardner and a couple other guys ahead of that.... I mean Westbrook started for the Redskins for what? 8-9 years? I mean he was never great, but he was still a starter in the league for us for a while, so its hard to call him a bust... Gardner is kind of the same... I mean he still had some really nice plays and a few REALLY good games (I'll never forget that one Cowboys game in 2004 on MNF) ... but never was able to put it all together and dropped some REALLY bad balls...but again I wouldnt mark him as a complete and total bust.....[/quote]

You have to take Westbrook over Ramsey just because he was picked so high. You can't miss at #4 and you look at some of the guys taken behind him, notably Joey Galloway and Warren Sapp, and you have to take opportunity costs into account. Westbrook was always a supreme talent, but only played 16 games twice (1999 and 2001) and only had one very good season as a pro (not coincidentally, 1999). He put up some semi-decent numbers for a 2nd or 3rd receiver but was never a #1, which you have to get a #4 overall.

WaldSkins 04-23-2009 04:16 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=Mattyk72;548801]A 3 time Pro Bowler a bust?

Things kinda fell apart for him at the end with injuries. I don't know, I have a hard time calling him a bust.[/quote]

He wasn't the worst player ever drafted but from the way he played in college to his time with the skins, he was far from being same player.

Mattyk 04-23-2009 06:07 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=WaldSkins;548810]He wasn't the worst player ever drafted but from the way he played in college to his time with the skins, he was far from being same player.[/quote]

He might not have lived up to the immense hype he had coming out of college, but I think you would be hard pressed to find him on any bust lists.

REDSKIN1 04-23-2009 06:13 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=WaldSkins;548797]Lavar Arrington falls right behind Shuler in my book.[/quote]

Come on, Lavar Arrington a bust????? :spank:

Paintrain 04-23-2009 06:21 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=REDSKIN1;548834]Come on, Lavar Arrington a bust????? :spank:[/quote]

Madden generation. If you don't make super human plays and are elected to the Hall of Fame then you are a bust.

SmootSmack 04-23-2009 06:29 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
It's interesting how few times (3 I think) we even had a first round pick during the Beathard years.

sportscurmudgeon 04-23-2009 08:04 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
You folks need to go back to the annals of Redskin drafts to find out about Ray McDonald (University of Idaho)and Gary Beban (UCLA Heisman Trophy winner). Both were first round picks. Great college careers; lots of credentials; great workout numbers. Neither one ever amounted to a pinch of poop in the NFL.

You want busts? These two were the Dolly Parton of busts...

53Fan 04-23-2009 08:22 PM

Re: Top 5 Redskins Draft Busts
 
[quote=Mattyk72;548777]#1 - Heath Shuler
#2 - Andre Johnson
#3 - Desmond Howard
#4 - Michael Westbrook
#5 - Rod Gardner

honorable mention: Patrick Ramsey

Who's on your list?[/quote]

No argument here. It's kinda funny/sad remembering how good these guys were suppose to be and how they actually turned out. That's a pretty sad bag of failure right there.


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