Another Corner?
 

The Redskins apparently have made an offer to Rams DB Jerametrius Butler ([url]http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/235032[/url]), a restricted free agent.

Here's a link to the story:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/Sports/Rams/635CAB1E1427896486256E4F0071E08B?OpenDocument&Headline=Rams'+Butler+gets+$15+million+offer+from+Skins

Is this a smart move? I thought we were fine with Bauman as our nickel back

Depends on what we offer him. We don't have much compensation left, and he's far from a 1st pick. If he comes cheap he won't hurt.

Is there any compensation on this? If there is we defintley pass

if it's an RFA we have to offer something. I think we want him since Springs is injury prone and Ade Jimoh isn't exactly my ideal nickle back.

The compensation is a 5th round pick

He's better than any corner we could get in the 5th this year.

He played himself into a starting role with the Rams last year. The offer is $15 million for six years. I'd have to say this is another good move... insurance for when Smoot's contract expires?

We need Smoot back after next season, I think this would be insurance if Springs gets hurt, in my opinion.

Here's a slightly off the wall thought I had. I know Springs when healthy is a great man to man defender. However, I also know he hasn't been entirely healthy lately. So I'm wondering, could Springs play some FS (sort of like Rod Woodson and Jason Sehorn switched to FS) and Butler and Smoot play the corners?

I'm not saying this should be a permanent move made this year, but I wonder if a couple of years down the road this could be an option. Granted, this is assuming we don't draft Sean Taylor

Smootsmack, that could be a possibility, but I'm sure Springs is slated to play CB first.

Going after Butler simply means they're looking for depth. Bauman is fine as the nickel back, but we need at least one more defensive back in case he goes down, or Smoot or Springs get injured. Certainly don't want to be in the position to have to depend on Ade Jimoh.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Smootsmack, that could be a possibility, but I'm sure Springs is slated to play CB first.

Going after Butler simply means they're looking for depth. Bauman is fine as the nickel back, but we need at least one more defensive back in case he goes down, or Smoot or Springs get injured. Certainly don't want to be in the position to have to depend on Ade Jimoh.[/QUOTE]


Well, I'm sure Ade Jimoh Fan Club will have something to say about that. ;)

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Well, I'm sure Ade Jimoh Fan Club will have something to say about that. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, what's up with that? Is he [I]really[/I] a fan of Ade Jimoh? When I first saw his screen name, I couldn't stop laughing.

I hope he's not Ade Jimoh...I'd be upset that we poked fun at him.

Give him a little break, he was an undrafted rookie.

Jimoh actually did decent but got burned a few times. Give him some developmental time.

Even if that was the real Ade Jimoh. He's playing, we're playing monday morning QBs. I think he has the upper hand! 8)

I highly doubt Butler will be brought in to be back up to bauman. Butler was a starter last year with 95 tackles and 4 ints. those are pretty darn good stats and it will be nice to know we have 3 starter quality cbs in case of injury and 3 WR sets which I'm sure the cowpies will be running a lot once they get johnson and so might the eagles if they do wind up getting TO. it's not an expensive deal and I seriously doubt we could find a decent nickelback quality cb with the fifth round pick much less one who could be a starter for a lot of teams.

Isn't this back to Smoots first year? 3 starter quality CB's - Smoot, DG and Bailey. I think we did OK in the coverage dept. that year....

Springs isn't exactly an ironman, so that's why this move makes sense. We'll be 4 deep at corner which isn't a bad positon to be in at all.

Seems like they always found our third corner last year. THis will help. It's also depth in the d-backfield. Better than we could have gotten in round five. A nice move, though it's gonna be a short draft!

At least we have a 1st rounder!

This offer sheet is a six year $15m deal. That is ludicrous for a player who will be number 3 or 4 AT BEST on the depth chart.

We really do not need to give up another draft pick either.

There is no way the Rams will match, they are laughing their asses off at a fifth rounder falling into their laps.

:mad:

Losing Champ but improving the depth of the secondary with 3 starter CBs. It would be a good move but I'm thinking the Rams could match ... when you develop your own starter-quality talent, it's nice to keep it especially when the compensation is just a fifth rounder. You're not likely to find a replacement there. And he must be a high character guy or else Gibbs wouldn't want him.

[QUOTE=dieselhog]This offer sheet is a six year $15m deal. That is ludicrous for a player who will be number 3 or 4 AT BEST on the depth chart.

We really do not need to give up another draft pick either.

There is no way the Rams will match, they are laughing their asses off at a fifth rounder falling into their laps.

:mad:[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's a bad deal at all for a #3 corner who realistically will probably see some playing time in the starting lineup considering both Springs and Smoot have been missed games due to injuries.

[QUOTE=Ghost]Losing Champ but improving the depth of the secondary with 3 starter CBs. It would be a good move but I'm thinking the Rams could match ... when you develop your own starter-quality talent, it's nice to keep it especially when the compensation is just a fifth rounder. You're not likely to find a replacement there. And he must be a high character guy or else Gibbs wouldn't want him.[/QUOTE]
The Rams aren't in the best of shape cap wise so this could swing in favor of the Skins.

I just get the impression that we spend for the sake of it at times. I would rather have seen us draft a corner with that 5th pick and bring him on.

It is annoying. There are Rams affiliated web sites that hardly know anything about this guy and yet he is worth over $2m a year?

It just seems crazy to me. We're paying starters money for a nickelback if we get him. I wouldn't mind betting that his base salary would be higher than Smoot's and that's how players get extremely disgruntled.

Look, I really hope I'm wrong. I hope he turns out to be worth it, but we could have got some reasonable help at DT for that kind of coin.

:confused:

#1.) that isn't a lot of money for a cb who was a starter last year with pretty good stats
#2.) we need a starting quality cb as our nickle because BOTH Springs and Smoot have had durability problems
#3.) 3WR sets are becoming more and more common and having three possible starting cbs will be crucial in those types of situations

I'm going to agree. I really dont like this as much as some people. Its not really the 5th rounder that gets too me, but what exactly are we signing him for? To be a nickleback @ two mill a year when Smoot isnt even making a million dollars this year? I do think he's good to have as a backup, but does this mean Baumon or Jimoah are gonna get cut? One of them is going to have to go, cause it dosent make sense to have three nicklebacks in there. I really thought Bauman did a ok job, but we shall see. I'm not outcrying against htis or anything, but i Just dont favor it as much as some of the other stuff we have been doing.

Uh, SMoot has durability problems. Go take a look at last year and see what kind of pain he played with. He had possibly the most painful injury you can still play with. Jimoh wouldnt exactly be a huge loss for the skins. I can only think of one person on the board crying. Hes alright, but not as good as Butler.

I give major props to Smoot for playing hurt last year, that took major stones. But with the possible aquisition of Butler, he wouldn't have to risk further injury and would be replaced by a young player with almost an entire season as a starter. Thats something I don't if its been brought up or not, this guy has only been in the league for 3years I believe so we have the chance of having 2 very young, yet highly skilled cbs in our system for years to come hopefully. I don't think that anyone can rationally argue that we could find a cb with starting lineup talent in the 5th round. sure he might be a little overpaid but tell me someone on our team that isn't or soon will be. bottom line is for a fifth round pick that most likely wouldn't have gotten us squat, we get a very solid, young cb who could fill in on the starting lineup if need be.

Plus (I hate to say this, especially with our new moderator around!) but Smoot is in the last year of his rookie deal. They may be cushioning themselves for that. I hope not, given how much I like Smoot, but it's a business.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Here's a slightly off the wall thought I had. I know Springs when healthy is a great man to man defender. However, I also know he hasn't been entirely healthy lately. So I'm wondering, could Springs play some FS (sort of like Rod Woodson and Jason Sehorn switched to FS) and Butler and Smoot play the corners?

I'm not saying this should be a permanent move made this year, but I wonder if a couple of years down the road this could be an option. Granted, this is assuming we don't draft Sean Taylor[/QUOTE

problem with that is you are in more run support and probably more suseptable to injury, probably not the best spot for a guy like spring's, I do like the fact that he will be playing the majority of game's on grass that should help him with his injuries.

[QUOTE=dieselhog]This offer sheet is a six year $15m deal. That is ludicrous for a player who will be number 3 or 4 AT BEST on the depth chart.

We really do not need to give up another draft pick either.

There is no way the Rams will match, they are laughing their asses off at a fifth rounder falling into their laps.

:mad:[/QUOTE]

A 5th rd pick for a young starting corner? I think the ram's might be crying if they lose him.

Ironically, Butler himself was a 5th round pick so if we don't get Butler maybe with the pick we'll be drafting the next Jerametrius Butler....or better

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Plus (I hate to say this, especially with our new moderator around!) but Smoot is in the last year of his rookie deal. They may be cushioning themselves for that. I hope not, given how much I like Smoot, but it's a business.[/QUOTE]

I sure hope Smoot stays. JimohSmack doesn't have quite the same ring to it

How about JimohJab :cool:

I'll have to cross buying a Smoot Jersey off my list, until he gets a new deal. I defintley think he has to stay, Butler is a better "Insurance" policy for Springs, incase he gets hurt.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Ironically, Butler himself was a 5th round pick so if we don't get Butler maybe with the pick we'll be drafting the next Jerametrius Butler....or better[/QUOTE]

possibly, but when was the last time we drafted someone that late in the draft that was able to consistently start at their position and perform like butler did last year?

I didn't actually realise that Butler was a starter in St Louis, so that's my own fault for being ignorant.

But I would question his desire if he is willing to go from starting to #3.

Maybe he thinks he can beat Smoot or Springs out?

This is a great value deal. There is no way Cerrato/Snyder can draft a starting caliber CB (or any position for that matter) in the 5th round. Plus his cap cost is very low for the first two years. The Rams will have to cut someone to match. Very smart move.

Looks like I was wrong on this one, I mean I'm glad I am but I just hope we keep some picks next year and maybe trade down this year.

Snyder slipped in a bonus that kicks in for year 3 to give the Rams something else to chew on. So shrewd, LOL gotta love it