National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

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Usually, I'm not one to publicly harp on what the national media thinks. Admittedly, privately, I can be very critical of poorly constructed opinions. But, I think there's a double standard going on.

Jeremy Maclin was a player both teams were targeting, and the Eagles were able to use information they tracked down about teams, potentially the Giants, trading up to 20 to get Maclin, so they were able to get up to 19.

Here's what I don't understand: either you like the Maclin move if you don't. If you think he was a top ten player, then the Eagles draft looks great. A top ten player and a first round RB on the first day is a great haul indeed -- but then what do you say about the Giants?

If you think Maclin was a top player, then logic dicatates that the Giants lost out at a chance at an elite player at a need position because they weren't willing to give up a third round pick instead of a fourth, essentially, to get up to pick 18 or so. And no matter how you look at it, the Giants ended up missing on the 2nd WR on their board for their 4th or 5th. That's a really big downgrade no matter what position they drafted at. When it's a position with a 40% first round washout rate, that's really, really bad.

And all of that follows from the logic that Maclin is going to be a great player. In reality, I think he was a very overvalued receiver who will be stuck behind much better players in Philly. I have no problem tipping my cap to two teams who appear to have a great haul in the second round, but after you mix up the first round as the Giants, and debatably the Eagles did, your draft doesn't get an A+. Sorry, that's not how it works.

The Redskins were the only team to get an immediate impact player in this draft (well, LeSean McCoy, probably). And I think that's going largely unnoticed because of, well, because of I'm not really sure.

End rant.

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They have a different rating system for the Redskins! Because Synder spends alot of his money on players and his football team.

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Both had a good draft.

Philly: Maclin, McCoy (who is going to be good), Harris (all acc corner)

NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who will also be a solid to very good pro), Beatty (an OL 6'6" who slipped, and Barden (6'6" WR who scored a crapload of TD's in college)

Both have multiple impact and role players. The Eagles also got return specialist Ellis Hobbs in a trade, not bad.

So, I can understand the love a little. We got 1 impact player and a hopeful.

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And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Schneed10;553618]And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.[/quote]

Exactly.

The real grade comes 2-3 years down the road.

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Yeah it is what it is. It's a educated guess.

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I look more at it as far as what they did with what they had/the positions that they drafted at; not so much what they could've done different as far as draft order or whatever.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;553607][url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-192/A-high-impact-NFL-East-draft-column.html]A high-impact NFC East draft column - NFC East - ESPN[/url]

Usually, I'm not one to publicly harp on what the national media thinks. Admittedly, privately, I can be very critical of poorly constructed opinions. But, I think there's a double standard going on.

Jeremy Maclin was a player both teams were targeting, and the Eagles were able to use information they tracked down about teams, potentially the Giants, trading up to 20 to get Maclin, so they were able to get up to 19.

Here's what I don't understand: either you like the Maclin move if you don't. If you think he was a top ten player, then the Eagles draft looks great. A top ten player and a first round RB on the first day is a great haul indeed -- but then what do you say about the Giants?

If you think Maclin was a top player, then logic dicatates that the Giants lost out at a chance at an elite player at a need position because they weren't willing to give up a third round pick instead of a fourth, essentially, to get up to pick 18 or so. And no matter how you look at it, the Giants ended up missing on the 2nd WR on their board for their 4th or 5th. That's a really big downgrade no matter what position they drafted at. When it's a position with a 40% first round washout rate, that's really, really bad.

And all of that follows from the logic that Maclin is going to be a great player. In reality, I think he was a very overvalued receiver who will be stuck behind much better players in Philly. I have no problem tipping my cap to two teams who appear to have a great haul in the second round, but after you mix up the first round as the Giants, and debatably the Eagles did, your draft doesn't get an A+. Sorry, that's not how it works.

The Redskins were the only team to get an immediate impact player in this draft (well, LeSean McCoy, probably). And I think that's going largely unnoticed because of, well, because of I'm not really sure.

End rant.[/quote]

Tripp, did you see this part of the story?

[quote]Something tells me you've just about had it with draft grades, so let's go in a different direction today. I've spent the last 24 hours on the phone with national draft gurus, college scouting directors and two assistant coaches in an effort to determine which draft class in the Beast will make the most immediate impact.

I avoided talking to NFC East scouts, in part, because it's rare to find a scout who says something like, "Well, we pretty much blew it" four days after the draft. The consensus is that the Eagles scored highest on in our High-Impact rankings. I granted our experts anonymity in exchange for their honesty -- and job security. They were asked to provide a number between 1-10, with 1 representing an "incredibly low impact" and 10 being a "stunningly high impact."[/quote]

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Schneed10;553618]And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.[/quote]

There it is. It's all speculation at this point.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Schneed10;553618]And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.[/quote]

Sanity.

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I'd rather see an overall 'offseason' ranking.. I'm pretty sure it would look like:
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Giants
4. Cowboys

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Draft grades don't mean jack. Lets look at a body of work in the NFL (College is over, whole different ballgame) at bare minimum the end of the season before any grades are handed out.

It's a moot point and waste of time to grade any team or the player who's never played one single snap at this level, it's nothing more than a guess. Nothing more.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;553631]Tripp, did you see this part of the story?[/quote]Yeah, I read through the whole thing, which is why I got that "wow, really?!" complex goin on. But this is hardly at all about the Mosley article. More about the entire media reaction to this draft, defying all logic with regards to the NFC East, which, collectively, didn't even do that well.

I thought we had the best draft by far (and fairly mediocre overall), but the consensus seems to be that the Giants and Eagles can't do anything wrong.

This thread is more shock/knee jerk reaction than anything.

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I'll reiterate that I have no problem with the scouts preferring one draft over another, but I'm starting to think that the qualifications for having a good draft is more who you are than what you did.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Schneed10;553618]And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.[/quote]



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