Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!
 

I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?

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I could be wrong, but I am guessing it was lack of true talent that prevented him from letting the players go. What's the point of sending 8 players if none of them touch the QB, so he kept them in pass coverage. He did what he needed to to get by. The fact that we were 4th in defense shows a lot about what Blache did with less than stellar talent up front.

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[quote=jsarno;555797]I could be wrong, but I am guessing it was lack of true talent that prevented him from letting the players go. What's the point of sending 8 players if none of them touch the QB, so he kept them in pass coverage. He did what he needed to to get by. The fact that we were 4th in defense shows a lot about what Blache did with less than stellar talent up front.[/quote]

I also could be wrong, GTripp can shed some light, but it was the opposite, we were often bringing blitzes, leaving the DB's by themselves. This goes to the lack of turnovers more than anything. If the DB knows he's alone, like ours often were, you can't be as aggressive to the ball because you have to prevent the big play. If our line is able to get pressure by themselves, or an odd lb blitzing, it should especially help our third and long Defense. Regardless, I don't think any coach is more on the hot seat than Zorn, and GB is as likely to retire as he is to be fired.

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If you look at the blitzes that we did do we sent people right up the gut. He needs to let the d-line to get pressure and then leave the back seven back to prevent passes. Just watch some of the Titans games and you will see what I mean. Their scheme also wanted to stop the run first but they did it on the way to the quarterback. I believe that we have some of the personnel that they have but their d-line is much better.

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I can't wait until GTripp gets his hands on this thread.

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If we have an 8-8 year and the defense doesn't make significant strides in getting to the QB and turnovers then it won't just be Blache looking for work, it may be the entire staff. Assuming all goes well Gray may have another DC position offered to them and I recall the front office and Gibbs being really high on Olavadatti as a future DC.

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Will it not be sweet when we can pressure the QB with only our D-lineman??????
I cannot imagine............

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;555800]If you look at the blitzes that we did do we sent people right up the gut. He needs to let the d-line to get pressure and then leave the back seven back to prevent passes. Just watch some of the Titans games and you will see what I mean. Their scheme also wanted to stop the run first but they did it on the way to the quarterback. I believe that we have some of the personnel that they have but their d-line is much better.[/quote]

Only teams with dominating D-Lines can get away with not blitzing. I believe the Titans had a certain Mr. Haynesworth on their squad last year thus enabling them to get consistent pressure by collapsing the pocket. Blache only had one worthy pass rusher, Carter, and a bunch of role players (I am not including Jason Taylor on purpose). He tried to utilize safety blitzes, zone blitzes, corner blitzes, LB blitzes, etc. Ultimatley, a coach is only as good as his talent can perform/execute. Besides, our pass rush was pedestrian before Blache took over. Hell, it's sucked for almost a decade and a half except for a couple good Lavar years!

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Well if we can't get to the QB now, it's scheme alright. Blache sent a lot of people last year to no avail. From listening to some of the things he's said in the past, it sounded like he thought sacks were over-rated, which I found confusing since we blitzed so much. If he isn't willing to adjust his scheme to use our players talent, there is no use in acquiring these players. This is one of the reasons I would like to see Orakpo at DE most of the time. Sure you want him on the field, but doing what he does best. If we don't get sacks this year, it's squarely on Blache's shoulders. Getting pressure on the QB only makes the CB's better. It seems like I remember him saying at one time, the problem was the corners not covering long enough for the d-line to get to the QB. That sounds pretty strange to me. Especially with the CB's we have. He puts a lot of pressure on the corners and not enough on the d-line if you ask me. And I guess you did or I wouldn't be replying to this. :)

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I'd like to see what happens this year before we start penciling in a new DC.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;555792]I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?[/quote]



As much as I wish Blache was more creative with the overall scheme on defense, at the end of the day we still had the 4th best.
I just wish we used more disguise to get pressure.
We wouldn't have to bring extra guys all the time if we could create a half second of confusion.
I wish we did some overloads blitzing, some fire-zone and zone-dogs.
But, you don't fire a DC because you don't like his style.

If the pass rush doesn't improve dramatically i think that we need to take a hard look at letting Coach Palermo go kick rocks.

I would love for Coach Gray to take over as DC, but 2 years ago Synder basically begged Coach Blache not to retire to coach the defense how can he then turn around and fire him?

Blache would have to retire for Gray to take over, hopefully Gray will still be around.

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[quote=Hog1;555806]Will it not be sweet when we can pressure the QB with only our D-lineman??????
I cannot imagine............[/quote]

That's crazy talk, but just so crazy it might work.

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So let me get this straight. Our offense scores 16 points a game and is one of the worst in the league but we are going to fire the guy who led us to the 4th best defense in the league the season after we tragically lose our best defensive player.

Sounds like a great idea... I think the Cutler trade makes more sense than this.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;555792]I believe that if we do not get a constant pass rush with Haynesworth in the middle and Orakpo I believe that Blache will be fired and that Aggressive Jerry Gray would take over. Jim Zorn has already stated that we need a big pass rush this season, which is probably the main reason we paid Haynesworth all that money. I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush. We need to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. I believe that Blache is holding the d-line back from making a lot of plays. It was like our defense was a bend but don't break defense which helped us to 4th overall defense which I believe is good but not a dominating one. I believe that this defense could be up there with the Pittsburghs, Baltimores and Titans. You win with Championship Defense. If the offense improves and we still do not get to the quarterback then we will be looking at 8-8 again folks. What do you guys think about Blache's scheme? Should he be fired if no improvements in the sack department?[/quote]

Overall I think GB did a pretty good job considering the talent he had on the front 7. I'm not sure we'll be as good as Pittsburgh's defense cause they have two stud pass rushers and a better overall front 7 and a safety who dominates. I think we have better corners than Pittsburgh. Haynesworth is going to help but he's going to be double teamed on passing downs. Is Carter and Orakpo going be as dominating as Woodley and Harrison coming off the edge? Probably not. I still think we're going to have a very good defense but not quite at the level of Pittsburgh. I'd like to see Laundry take his game to a Pro Bowl level.

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[quote=30gut;555829][B]As much as I wish Blache was more creative with the overall scheme on defense, at the end of the day we still had the 4th best. [/B]
[B]I just wish we used more disguise to get pressure. [/B]
We wouldn't have to bring extra guys all the time if we could create a half second of confusion.
I wish we did some overloads blitzing, some fire-zone and zone-dogs.
But, you don't fire a DC because you don't like his style.

If the pass rush doesn't improve dramatically i think that we need to take a hard look at letting Coach Palermo go kick rocks.

I would love for Coach Gray to take over as DC, but 2 years ago Synder basically begged Coach Blache not to retire to coach the defense how can he then turn around and fire him?

Blache would have to retire for Gray to take over, hopefully Gray will still be around.[/quote]

Well said.