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saden1 05-26-2009 11:31 AM

Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
Seems like [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/26/bio-judge-sonia-sotomayor/"]Sotomayor[/URL] is a good pick. Should be an interesting to watch the confirmation hearing.

firstdown 05-26-2009 12:12 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
So now everything she has ever said will be looked over and over and over etc....again

GMScud 05-26-2009 12:39 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=saden1;559599][B]Seems like [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/26/bio-judge-sonia-sotomayor/"]Sotomayor[/URL] is a good pick. [/B]Should be an interesting to watch the confirmation hearing.[/quote]

Until we find out she's filed some questionable tax returns in recent years. :)

Slingin Sammy 33 05-26-2009 12:59 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
While she will likely be appointed as the Reps can't stop it without a filibuster and she is a liberal, replacing a liberal, she and Obama will take some hits.

From the article: But Sotomayor's work as a judge is not without controversy. During a speech at the University of California at Berkeley, Sotomayor said, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Sotomayor also served on a three-judge panel that declined to address the Constitutional issues at stake in Ricci v. DeStefano, a case involving white firefighters who claim they were denied promotions because of "reverse discrimination."

I added the wiki link.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano"]Ricci v. DeStefano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

Makes me think about two things; one if a white male said what Sotomayor said, he'd be crucified in the media and would likely be forced to resign from whatever position he had. Second, if her opinion with the majority at the Court of Appeals is overturned at the SCOTUS, what does that say about her legal-reasoning? This case hitting the SCOTUS couldn't come at a worse time for her if they overturn the decision.

From the article again: And in 2005, when Sotomayor spoke on a Duke University forum, she said, "All of the legal defense funds out there, they're looking for people with court of appeals experience" because "the court of appeals is where policy is made."

Interesting, I didn't think Federal judges made policy, I thought that was Congress' job.

SmootSmack 05-26-2009 01:12 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
Boricua!!!

saden1 05-26-2009 01:57 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559622]While she will likely be appointed as the Reps can't stop it without a filibuster and she is a liberal, replacing a liberal, she and Obama will take some hits.

From the article: But Sotomayor's work as a judge is not without controversy. During a speech at the University of California at Berkeley, Sotomayor said, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Sotomayor also served on a three-judge panel that declined to address the Constitutional issues at stake in Ricci v. DeStefano, a case involving white firefighters who claim they were denied promotions because of "reverse discrimination."

I added the wiki link.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano"]Ricci v. DeStefano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

Makes me think about two things; one if a white male said what Sotomayor said, he'd be crucified in the media and would likely be forced to resign from whatever position he had. Second, if her opinion with the majority at the Court of Appeals is overturned at the SCOTUS, what does that say about her legal-reasoning? This case hitting the SCOTUS couldn't come at a worse time for her if they overturn the decision.

From the article again: And in 2005, when Sotomayor spoke on a Duke University forum, she said, "All of the legal defense funds out there, they're looking for people with court of appeals experience" because "the court of appeals is where policy is made."

Interesting, [B]I didn't think Federal judges made policy[/B], I thought that was Congress' job.[/quote]

If white firefighters didn't bring up a lawsuit black firefighters would have. Clearly there's a reason why the courts exist. I can make the argument that fire fighting doesn't require a test beyond how to use your equipment, what to do in certain situations and how to climb up ladders.

You act like she's a servant of the SCOTUS and should therefore think like SC judges. Her job is to discriminate between cases and obviously she has a disagreement with what judges in the SC deemed a case worth looking at. Let's not act high and mighty either, you got Robers and Alito who are fresh arrivales from the Court of Appeals.

Federal judges do make policy, they're just not suppose to call it policy. Judicial ruling sounds much more pleasant to the ear but what is it really? What do you think the SC does? Thumbs up and thumbs down on policy is policy creation! Even my boy [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Men-Black-Supreme-Destroying-America/dp/1596980095/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243359862&sr=8-2"]Mark Levin[/ame] knows this.

Slingin Sammy 33 05-26-2009 02:38 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=saden1;559629]If white firefighters didn't bring up a lawsuit black firefighters would have. Clearly there's a reason why the courts exist. I can make the argument that fire fighting doesn't require a test beyond how to use your equipment, what to do in certain situations and how to climb up ladders.[/quote]I haven't seen the test but I'm pretty confident it was a job knowledge test, similar to a test the military services use for promotion. How about the people who perform the best on the test get promoted, regardless of race. Period. If I'm the CIty of New Haven, I'll fight a lawsuit saying the test was racially biased if I know I've done my due diligence and the test is not biased.

[quote]You act like she's a servant of the SCOTUS and should therefore think like SC judges. Her job is to discriminate between cases and obviously she has a disagreement with what judges in the SC deemed a case worth looking at. Let's not act high and mighty either, you got Robers and Alito who are fresh arrivales from the Court of Appeals.[/quote]I don't think she's a servant of the SCOTUS and no one's acting "high and mighty". All I'm saying is if her court's ruling is overturned by the SCOTUS by anything other than 5-4, her "legal reasoning" will be called into question.

[quote]Federal judges do make policy, they're just not suppose to call it policy. Judicial ruling sounds much more pleasant to the ear but what is it really? What do you think the SC does? Thumbs up and thumbs down on policy is policy creation! Even my boy [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Men-Black-Supreme-Destroying-America/dp/1596980095/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243359862&sr=8-2"]Mark Levin[/URL] knows this.[/quote]I've read the book and the whole premise is that Federal judges shouldn't be making policy they should be interpreting laws and settling cases based on law, not what their political agendas are or what they think is the "empathetic" thing to do.

Trample the Elderly 05-26-2009 03:10 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
From what I hear was they didn't have any black firefighters. Just one Spanish dude and a lot of white guys. So they didn't promote anyone even though many of these men were qualified and they had a postition to fill.

Typical liberal BS. She wouldn't even be nominated if she wasn't a Puerto Rican and a woman. It's the same as Obama. If he had been Barry Whitebread from po-dunk AL, Hillary would be the president.

saden1 05-26-2009 03:16 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559637]I haven't seen the test but I'm pretty confident it was a job knowledge test, similar to a test the military services use for promotion. How about the people who perform the best on the test get promoted, regardless of race. Period. If I'm the CIty of New Haven, I'll fight a lawsuit saying the test was racially biased if I know I've done my due diligence and the test is not biased.
[/quote]

You assume we're all on equal footing. I haven't seen the test either so I can't make an argument for it or against it. I will say this though, if the test was all physical the result would be different.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559637]
I don't think she's a servant of the SCOTUS and no one's acting "high and mighty". All I'm saying is if her court's ruling is overturned by the SCOTUS by anything other than 5-4, her "legal reasoning" will be called into question.
[/quote]

Perhaps but lets be honest, she is merely disagreeing with other judges and it's hard to imagine a judge that hasn't disagreed with other judges. That line of attack is easily rebutted and pretty worthless if you don't mind me saying so.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559637]
I've read the book and the whole premise is that Federal judges shouldn't be making policy they should be interpreting laws and settling cases based on law, not what their political agendas are or what they think is the "empathetic" thing to do.[/quote]

I know, my point was that SC has always been filled with political ideologues and empathetic people who make policy. Levin's opinion not withstanding SC judges can do whatever the hell they want. The Constitution places no limits upon what they can or can't do beyond conducting themselves ethically.

dmek25 05-26-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;559651]From what I hear was they didn't have any black firefighters. Just one Spanish dude and a lot of white guys. So they didn't promote anyone even though many of these men were qualified and they has a postition to fill.

Typical liberal BS. She wouldn't even be nominated [B]if she wasn't a Puerto[/B] [B]Rican and a woman. It's the same as Obama. If he had been Barry Whitebread from po-dunk AL, Hillary would be the president[/B].[/quote]
this has to be one of the most ignorant things posted on this board

saden1 05-26-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;559651]From what I hear was they didn't have any black firefighters. Just one Spanish dude and a lot of white guys. So they didn't promote anyone even though many of these men were qualified and they has a postition to fill.

Typical liberal BS. She wouldn't even be nominated if she wasn't a Puerto Rican and a woman. It's the same as Obama. If he had been Barry Whitebread from po-dunk AL, Hillary would be the president.[/quote]

You're such a beacon of wisdom, it's good to have you on this board...err...no...I was thinking of someone else.

Slingin Sammy 33 05-26-2009 04:04 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=saden1;559654]You assume we're all on equal footing. I haven't seen the test either so I can't make an argument for it or against it. I will say this though, if the test was all physical the result would be different.[/quote]Interesting take, I haven't seen the firefighters in New Haven so I can't comment :)

[quote]Perhaps but lets be honest, she is merely disagreeing with other judges and it's hard to imagine a judge that hasn't disagreed with other judges. That line of attack is easily rebutted and pretty worthless if you don't mind me saying so.[/quote]Agree with you, not saying it's correct, but it will be thrown out there

[quote]The Constitution places no limits upon what they can or can't do beyond conducting themselves ethically.[/quote]That's why Congress has the power to create legislation and the Supreme Court has no power to enforce its rulings.

Trample the Elderly 05-26-2009 06:00 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=dmek25;559655]this has to be one of the most ignorant things posted on this board[/quote]

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment. I didn't say anything that Bill didn't. So go take it up with him.

BringBackJoeT 05-26-2009 06:03 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;559651]From what I hear was they didn't have any black firefighters. Just one Spanish dude and a lot of white guys. So they didn't promote anyone even though many of these men were qualified and they has a postition to fill.

[B]Typical liberal BS. She wouldn't even be nominated if she wasn't a Puerto Rican and a woman. It's the same as Obama. If he had been Barry Whitebread from po-dunk AL, Hillary would be the president.[/quote][/B]

What a stupid comment. Let's see, Sotomayor: a) was a summa cum laude graduate of Princeton University; b) was editor of Yale's law review (one of the single most prominent educational accomplishments in the US educational system); c) was an NYC prosecutor; d) is a seventeen year veteran of the federal judiciary, having served at both the district court and court of appeals level.

The most recent appointee to the US Supreme Court was Samuel Alito, a white male. He also graduated from Princeton, and also went to Yale, where he also served as the editor of the law review, and also served as a state prosecutor, and also was elevated to the US Supreme Court from the court of appeals level. Based on your assessment, he never would have been nominated, but somehow he is a current justice.

Sorry to have scuttled your point with facts; clearly, your preferred vantage point is pure ignorance.

This country will be fortunate to have Sonia Sotomayor serving as a justice to our Supreme Court. Congrats to Judge (and soon to be Justice) Sotomayor.

saden1 05-26-2009 06:15 PM

Re: Obama Nominates Sotomayor to SCOTUS
 
[quote=BringBackJoeT;559743][/b]

What a stupid comment. Let's see, Sotomayor: a) was a summa cum laude graduate of Princeton University; b) was editor of Yale's law review (one of the single most prominent educational accomplishments in the US educational system); c) was an NYC prosecutor; d) is a seventeen year veteran of the federal judiciary, having served at both the district court and court of appeals level.

The most recent appointee to the US Supreme Court was Samuel Alito, a white male. He also graduated from Princeton, and also went to Yale, where he also served as the editor of the law review, and also served as a state prosecutor, and also was elevated to the US Supreme Court from the court of appeals level. Based on your assessment, he never would have been nominated, but somehow he is a current justice.

Sorry to have scuttled your point with facts; clearly, your preferred vantage point is pure ignorance.

This country will be fortunate to have Sonia Sotomayor serving as a justice to our Supreme Court. Congrats to Judge (and soon to be Justice) Sotomayor.[/quote]

...Bang! Bang!

:postcop:

...you done shot him dead!


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