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redsk1 06-05-2009 12:33 PM

Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Rank em. Let's call modern day pitchers, one who've played in the last 20 years. The overall best.

Tom Glavine 305 W/ 203 L 3.54 ERA 2607 SO
Greg Maddox 355/227 3.16 ERA 3371 SO
Roger Clemens 354/184 3.12 ERA 4672 SO
Randy Johnson 300/164 3.28 4845 SO
Pedro Martinez 214/99 2.91 3117 SO
Kurt Shilling 216/146 3.46 3116 SO
John Smoltz 210/147 3.26 3011 154 Saves
Missing Any?

My take:

1. RJ- Huge SO #, 136 games over .500, very good era
2. GM- Almost had him #1, one of the lowest eras, 128 games over .500, 355 w's, dominant in his day
3. RC-could rank him higher than 3rd b/c of the roids. The stats say he's #1.
4. TG-305, dominant in the 90's, sheer #'s
5. JS- 154 saves is a real accomplishment, dominant stuff as a closer and starter, not done yet i guess
6. PM- Best era, a hof in my book, a little shy on longevity though
7. CS- great clutch performer

SmootSmack 06-05-2009 12:39 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Mariano Rivera has to be on that list

GMScud 06-05-2009 12:47 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=SmootSmack;561715]Mariano Rivera has to be on that list[/quote]

When talking about closers, Trevor Hoffman has been pretty awesome overall as well.

Schneed10 06-05-2009 02:26 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.

Schneed10 06-05-2009 02:28 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Nolan Ryan pitched into the early 90s, does he count?

redsk1 06-08-2009 09:44 AM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Yes, Rivera and Hoffman are HOF's. I should have put starting pitchers. Nolan Ryan played thru 93, but let's limit this to starting pitchers who've played the majority of their careers in the 90's or 00's. NR would be in there though.

Schneed, who was that dude that charged the mound on NR? I think it was a 3rd baseman, White Sox? Got the tar beat out of him.

SmootSmack 06-08-2009 10:02 AM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=redsk1;561983]Yes, Rivera and Hoffman are HOF's. I should have put starting pitchers. Nolan Ryan played thru 93, but let's limit this to starting pitchers who've played the majority of their careers in the 90's or 00's. NR would be in there though.

Schneed, who was that dude that charged the mound on NR? I think it was a 3rd baseman, White Sox? Got the tar beat out of him.[/quote]

Robin Ventura

BDBohnzie 06-08-2009 02:24 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Mike Mussina (270/153 3.68 2813) is the only one I can think of to add to that list. There are definitely some guys under 32 that will have the potential to be added this list (Halladay, Oswalt, Peavy, Santana).

redsk1 06-08-2009 02:32 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=BDBohnzie;562015]Mike Mussina (270/153 3.68 2813) is the only one I can think of to add to that list. There are definitely some guys under 32 that will have the potential to be added this list (Halladay, Oswalt, Peavy, Santana).[/quote]

Agreed. MM is a great pitcher.

Those four have a good shot too. Add Sabathia to the under 32 crowd.

BringBackJoeT 06-08-2009 04:16 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
Tim Wakefield. And not because I'm a Red Sox fan (I'm not). This is purely a longevity vote. For the 17th consecutive year, the dude has a job as a starting pitcher. That's amazing.

Also, wouldn't Hersheiser qualify in this time period?

BringBackJoeT 06-08-2009 04:21 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=Schneed10;561744]Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.[/quote]

Wasn't he named in the Mitchell report? I'm not saying that necessarily matters for purposes of this discussion, but I'm just curious--wasn't he in there?

redsk1 06-08-2009 04:27 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=Schneed10;561744]Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.[/quote]

Kevin Brown W 211/ L 144 3.28 era SO 2397

Similar to Shilling and John Smoltz but not nearly the amount of SO's. So he's in the second tier. Smoltz has a similar record and era but a ton of saves to go w/ it.

redsk1 06-08-2009 04:34 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=BringBackJoeT;562030]Tim Wakefield. And not because I'm a Red Sox fan (I'm not). This is purely a longevity vote. For the 17th consecutive year, the dude has a job as a starting pitcher. That's amazing.

Also, wouldn't Hersheiser qualify in this time period?[/quote]

Tim Wakefield W 185/ L 160 4.32 era 1948 SO's. He's got longevity but that's about it. Not a HOF. A good mlb pitcher, but not in elite status.

OH pitched until 2000 w/ 204 wins/ 150 losses, 3.48 era, 2014 SO's

Not amongst the elite in my opinion. Great pitcher though.

SmootSmack 06-08-2009 05:02 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=BringBackJoeT;562030]Tim Wakefield. And not because I'm a Red Sox fan (I'm not). This is purely a longevity vote. For the 17th consecutive year, the dude has a job as a starting pitcher. That's amazing.

Also, wouldn't Hersheiser qualify in this time period?[/quote]

You want longevity, try Jamie Moyer

BringBackJoeT 06-08-2009 05:19 PM

Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers
 
[quote=redsk1;562035]Tim Wakefield W 185/ L 160 4.32 era 1948 SO's. He's got longevity but that's about it. Not a HOF. [B]A good mlb pitcher, but not in elite status. [/B]
OH pitched until 2000 w/ 204 wins/ 150 losses, 3.48 era, 2014 SO's

Not amongst the elite in my opinion. Great pitcher though.[/quote]

No question. I actually agree. It just struck me that the guy has been a starter almost throughout the entire time range we're talking about. But yes, during this time period, he's generally been just good enough to keep a job.


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