Vinny tips his hand on the final 53
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/vinny_cerrato_helps_53-man_ros.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Vinny Cerrato Helps 53-Man Roster Guessers[/url]

A couple things of note from the article:
[B][I]* He said "there's a good chance" of the team keeping a fifth running back. His radio voice made it seem like a very good chance.

"I would say that's probably, there's a good chance of that," he said. "Because what you want to do Kevin, it'll probably be 25 on offense, 25 on defense and three specialists. So it's just how you want to divide your numbers. [/I][/B]

I think that indicates that Mason and/or Aldridge will make the team. Lots of buzz out of Redskins Park that he's very high on Aldridge.

[B][I]* He was fairly definitive when asked if he thought the team would add an offensive lineman after other teams make cuts.

"No, no," was his exact response. "And I think this, I think with the Montgomerys and Rineharts and Mike Williams and Bridges and stuff, I think you've got experienced guys there that'll, I think, be productive."

Congratulations, Mike Williams. Welcome back to the NFL.[/I][/B]

Pretty clear he was making the team anyways but this basically makes it official.

[B][I] Actually this was the best quote, from Cerrato, when asked what Denver is asking for Brandon Marshall.

"I don't have the faintest idea," Cerrato said. "We like our locker room." [/I][/B]

Maybe he's not a freaking idiot after all!

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If there is a 5th back I'm betting it's Aldridge

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Really, you guys don't think Mason will make it. Or are you including Mason?

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[quote=Paintrain;583225][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/vinny_cerrato_helps_53-man_ros.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Vinny Cerrato Helps 53-Man Roster Guessers[/url]

A couple things of note from the article:
[B][I]* He said "there's a good chance" of the team keeping a fifth running back. His radio voice made it seem like a very good chance.

"I would say that's probably, there's a good chance of that," he said. "Because what you want to do Kevin, it'll probably be 25 on offense, 25 on defense and three specialists. So it's just how you want to divide your numbers. [/I][/B]

I think that indicates that Mason and/or Aldridge will make the team. Lots of buzz out of Redskins Park that he's very high on Aldridge.

[B][I]* He was fairly definitive when asked if he thought the team would add an offensive lineman after other teams make cuts.

"No, no," was his exact response. "And I think this, I think with the Montgomerys and Rineharts and Mike Williams and Bridges and stuff, I think you've got experienced guys there that'll, I think, be productive."

Congratulations, Mike Williams. Welcome back to the NFL.[/I][/B]

Pretty clear he was making the team anyways but this basically makes it official.

[B][I] Actually this was the best quote, from Cerrato, when asked what Denver is asking for Brandon Marshall.

"I don't have the faintest idea," Cerrato said. "We like our locker room." [/I][/B]

Maybe he's not a freaking idiot after all![/quote]


"I don't have the faintest idea,"

Good...I think we've all seen enough potential out of our WR corps this off-season to give it a season to see how good it can become. It isn't the wasteland we thought it might be.

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[quote=Mattyk72;583226]If there is a 5th back I'm betting it's Aldridge[/quote]

Who else would it be?

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[quote=FRPLG;583229]Who else would it be?[/quote]

Dorsey, but very unlikely. My assumption is you are looking at Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Aldridge. 5 running backs seem alot to me, especially if Mason does not play special teams.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;583230]Dorsey, but very unlikely. My assumption is you are looking at Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Aldridge. 5 running backs seem alot to me, especially if Mason does not play special teams.[/quote]

Do the fullbacks count? I'm not sure about the math here? If he says we're keeping 5 backs, I'm thinking CP, LB, Rock, Sellers, and then Mason or Aldridge?

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[quote=FRPLG;583229]Who else would it be?[/quote]

Jessica Simpson?

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I liked what i say from Aldridge. He's fast and we need fast.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;583235]Do the fullbacks count? I'm not sure about the math here? If he says we're keeping 5 backs, I'm thinking CP, LB, Rock, Sellers, and then Mason or Aldridge?[/quote]


Yeah FB's count. You can't keep five tailbacks.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;583235]Do the fullbacks count? I'm not sure about the math here? If he says we're keeping 5 backs, I'm thinking CP, LB, Rock, Sellers, and then Mason or Aldridge?[/quote]




I think you are right here on your assumption. 5 back including the fullBACK. The rookie full back will be on our ps, unless he is picked up. My thought, although i really like mason, is aldrige will be the fifth.

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Weird. 5 backs is a lot...almost like Vinny expects injuries among that group. It also says Rock is likely a sure thing, which should help out special teams but doesn't do much of anything on offense.

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For one of the few times I agree with Vinny. I want Alridge on this team badly. He is the type of change of pace back they need. Betts is just a less talented version of Portis in my mind. Alridge can really bring something we don't have I think.

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[quote=Paintrain;583225][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/vinny_cerrato_helps_53-man_ros.html?wprss=dcsportsbog"]D.C. Sports Bog - Vinny Cerrato Helps 53-Man Roster Guessers[/URL]

A couple things of note from the article:
[I]* He said "there's a good chance" of the team keeping a fifth running back. His radio voice made it seem like a very good chance.

"I would say that's probably, there's a good chance of that," he said. "Because what you want to do Kevin, it'll probably be 25 on offense, 25 on defense and three specialists. So it's just how you want to divide your numbers. [/I]

I think that indicates that Mason and/or Aldridge will make the team. Lots of buzz out of Redskins Park that he's very high on Aldridge.

[I]* He was fairly definitive when asked if he thought the team would add an offensive lineman after other teams make cuts.

"No, no," was his exact response. "And I think this, I think with the Montgomerys and Rineharts and Mike Williams and Bridges and stuff, I think you've got experienced guys there that'll, I think, be productive."

Congratulations, Mike Williams. Welcome back to the NFL.[/I]

Pretty clear he was making the team anyways but this basically makes it official.

[I] Actually this was the best quote, from Cerrato, when asked what Denver is asking for Brandon Marshall.

"I don't have the faintest idea," Cerrato said. "We like our locker room." [/I]
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Maybe he's not a freaking idiot after all![/SIZE][/B][/I][/COLOR][/quote]


Let's not get crazy now...

I'd personally would like Zorn having final say over cuts but from the sound of it Cerrato seems to be involved more than I thought he'd be.

Cerrato may make it sound like he wouldn't want Marshall but the Skins can't make a play for him based on their salary cap and not their desires for a big time wideout. I highly doubt this front office would shrug off the big name talent like that on the basis of their discipline.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;583244]I highly doubt this front office would shrug off the big name talent like that on the basis of their discipline.[/quote]

Brandon Marshall is a Time Bomb. Tick tock. Tick tock.

His issue isn't even a matter of discipline. He is a very hard worker.

The issue is that he is an extreme mental case.

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also from the article:
[QUOTE]* He seemed highly skeptical of the prospect of keeping six wideouts.

"I wouldn't think that," he said. "Right now I would say I don't think we would end up with six, just because we have a lot of other things. What you want to do is keep your 25 best players that give you a chance to win on Sundays. And the thing with the guys that are gonna be [B]say the 23rd, 24th, 25th guys on offense or defense, they've got to be outstanding on special teams. And that's gonna be the thing. Those guys that are the 5th receiver, the 4th, 5th running back, they all have to be able to help on special teams.[/B]"[/QUOTE]
That seems to be a strong statement. And one that doesn't help Mason's case, and almost seems like Marko is #4 and DT is fighting for # 5 with his ST play. Saturday will be interesting.

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[quote=celts32;583242]For one of the few times I agree with Vinny. [B] I want Alridge on this team badly. He is the type of change of pace back they need[/B]. Betts is just a less talented version of Portis in my mind. Alridge can really bring something we don't have I think.[/quote]

I agree. If it's speed they want, Alridge is the man. I really think he could be a great addition to this offense. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

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I too am high on Alridge. We need that 'take it to the house' speed and only Anthony (possibly Dorsey as well) has that out of the 5 tailbacks we have.

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From what we have seen from the guys that VC has drafted over the last couple of years at WR I don't think Marshall is at all a need for this team. We have got some good WR at this point.

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Rock counts as ST.

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Ok, you are probably right. if the 5 includes Sellers, which it would have to, then I would think, given the critical comments on Mason's special teams play and lack of blocking, that Aldridge may very well have won a job. Vinny also said there are12 spots up for grabs. Maybe the Aldridge/Mason battle is on Thursday night.

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I like Alridge. But Dorsey has a lot of speed, too, and is healthier.

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[quote=charlied72;583255]Rock counts as ST.[/quote]

Rock plays ST, but for the 53 count, ST gets 3 spots:

Kicker
Punter
LongSnapper

The return men have to actually fit other spots on the roster, that is if you go with Vinny's 25/25/3 split.

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[quote=Lotus;583257]I like Alridge. But Dorsey has a lot of speed, too, and is healthier.[/quote]

I prefer Alridge but I could live with Dorsey also. As long as they don't pick Mason. I am just not as high on Mason as a lot of skins fans are. He has floated around for a couple years now gaining a lot of yards against backup and non NFL players. I see him as more of a pure backup to Portis/Betts and not a change of pace RB.

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[quote=Lotus;583257]I like Alridge. But Dorsey has a lot of speed, too, and is healthier.[/quote]

I think Alridge has to fight the injury question, but we kept MK on all last year. I really hope they keep one of the 2, and of course, I hope it is the "right" one.

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[quote=53Fan;583250]I agree. If it's speed they want, Alridge is the man. I really think he could be a great addition to this offense. Hopefully he can stay healthy.[/quote]

Health is the biggest question.

Hey, I just realized your username-instead of repping your fandom of MW-can rep your fandom of the 53 man roster

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[quote=12thMan;583227]Really, you guys don't think Mason will make it. Or are you including Mason?[/quote]

Mason doesn't add any value. He runs with decisiveness and decent elusiveness, but not moreso than Portis and Betts. He's not faster than Portis or Betts, he's not more powerful than Portis or Betts, he can't run block like Sellers, he's not a better pass protector than Portis or Betts, he's not a better receiver than Portis or Betts, and he's not a better special teamer than Rock is.

He adds nothing to your roster. Decent player but that's why he has no shot.

Alridge at least can offer a major upgrade in terms of breakaway speed over Portis and Betts.

Portis
Betts
Sellers
Rock
and if there's a 5th: Alridge

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[quote=Schneed10;583266]Mason doesn't add any value. He runs with decisiveness and decent elusiveness, but not moreso than Portis and Betts. He's not faster than Portis or Betts, he's not more powerful than Portis or Betts, he can't run block like Sellers, he's not a better pass protector than Portis or Betts, he's not a better receiver than Portis or Betts, and he's not a better special teamer than Rock is.

He adds nothing to your roster. Decent player but that's why he has no shot.

Alridge at least can offer a major upgrade in terms of breakaway speed over Portis and Betts.

Portis
Betts
Sellers
Rock
and if there's a 5th: Alridge[/quote]
I think so. Mason isn't making the team. There's just no role for him.

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[quote=12thMan;583227]Really, you guys don't think Mason will make it. Or are you including Mason?[/quote]

Yeah, I don't really get why so many people don't think Mason is worth a roster spot. A lot of people use the "he's playing against 2nd and 3rd string guys" argument, and yet a lot of those same people are in love with Marko Mitchell.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;583230]Dorsey, but very unlikely. My assumption is you are looking at Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Aldridge. 5 running backs seem alot to me, especially if Mason does not play special teams.[/quote]I think "running back" in the sense that Vinny used, includes Sellers. So he's one of the four/five.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583272]I think "running back" in the sense that Vinny used, includes Sellers. So he's one of the four/five.[/quote]

What happens if Sellers goes down? Or do we have Edwin Williams down as an O-lineman?

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[quote=WaldSkins;583273]What happens if Sellers goes down? Or do we have Edwin Williams down as an O-lineman?[/quote]Not sure I understand. If Sellers goes down, like IR type, we probably activate Eddie Williams from the PS.

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[quote=Southpaw;583269]Yeah, I don't really get why so many people don't think Mason is worth a roster spot. A lot of people use the "he's playing against 2nd and 3rd string guys" argument, and yet a lot of those same people are in love with Marko Mitchell.[/quote]

Because what the heck does Mason give you that you don't already have in Portis, Betts, Sellers, and Rock?

There's no exceptional speed, no special teams skills, no significant run or pass blocking ability...

He's merely a decent runner. But we have that in Portis and Betts.

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[quote=Schneed10;583276]Because what the heck does Mason give you that you don't already have in Portis, Betts, Sellers, and Rock?

There's no exceptional speed, no special teams skills, no significant run or pass blocking ability...

He's merely a decent runner. But we have that in Portis and Betts.[/quote]

I generally agree with your comments, but I'd rather have a decent runner with fresh legs when Betts inevitably goes down with an injury and Portis is wearing down towards the end of the season, rather than a guy who's ready to be put out to pasture like Shawn Alexander.

And I personally haven't seen enough from Alridge to think he's a better option than Mason.

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I don't have the faintest idea. Let me put that in GM speak for you:

We're working out the details now, he'll be our #1 WR on opening day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;583275]Not sure I understand. If Sellers goes down, like IR type, we probably activate Eddie Williams from the PS.[/quote]

I was thinking like more along the lines of a mid-game injury. If we don't care Williams who would get those snaps? Todd Yoder?

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[quote=Schneed10;583276]Because what the heck does Mason give you that you don't already have in Portis, Betts, Sellers, and Rock?

There's no exceptional speed, no special teams skills, no significant run or pass blocking ability...

He's merely a decent runner. But we have that in Portis and Betts.[/quote]

I agree completely...the only job that Mason should even be in the running for is Betts and that doesn't even seem like a possibility. He can't take Rocks job because he can't play ST and he doesn't fit as a change of pace back as well as Alridge or Dorsey would.

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Great thread. As far as the final two running backs are concerned I bet they'll have Mason and one of the two speed guys with Aldridge being the favorite. My guess is though that they also end up putting Eddie Williams (FB) on either the PUP list or the practice squad (I don't know if there's a real threat of him getting picked up by another team).

[quote=WaldSkins;583280]I was thinking like more along the lines of a mid-game injury. If we don't care Williams who would get those snaps? Todd Yoder?[/quote]

Lorenzo Alexander and Albert Haynesworth will share time at FB :D

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[quote=WaldSkins;583280]I was thinking like more along the lines of a mid-game injury. If we don't care Williams who would get those snaps? Todd Yoder?[/quote]Well, what does any team do with a fullback injury? I would think Yoder would be the lead blocker on the GL, but otherwise, it's an easy position to just eliminate from the offense if you don't have a valuable player at the position.

Now, Sellers is good enough to absolutely demand playing time when he's available. But he's not even a starter in our current offense, which seems to have gone base 3 WRs, and even Fred Davis figures to have more playing time than Sellers.

I guess it's a good sign that last year's pro bowl fullback is a situational player for us, but it's the truth.

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I think we should keep in mind that not everyone from the final 53 dresses on gameday. All being on a 53 man roster gurantees is you get a bigger contract then the guys on the practice squad. Being on the 45 man roster is a much bigger deal.